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This whole discussion is replete with logical inconsistencies and dilettante historian cherry picking. If team bonuses aren’t meant to be an actual bonus then they should be eliminated. But I doubt anyone wants to eliminate features. It is asinine to throw a fit over the use of a word and not offer any suggestions when that word could be easily replaced with the word “colonizing” or any number of other options. Please move the discussion forward with a real suggestion or alternative: suggesting Athens should have a useless team bonus while other civs have helpful team bonuses isn’t a suggestion for improvement. This entire thread has been thrown askew because one person, who said they barely play the game, said they didn’t like the use of one word in one portion of one proposal. We can do better than this.

It's not the bug, search is a resource consuming operation. Reducing the delay to 1 second for all doesn't sound good. In theory we could reduce to 1 second (or 2 seconds) only for registered users without posting limits. @implodedok

I have been berated by this player once and it kept me from playing the game for months afterwards. His remarks were extremely sexist in nature and just generally appalling. I wish there were a way to keep people like this from playing the game because I genuinely don't like being in the same space as him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6tRpIseYCA GODS WILL RETURN!!! My favorite RTS game is back. What is your opinion for not using the traditional "DEFINITIVE EDITION (DE)" version? Detail that appears only 3 civilizations in the trailer, Greeks, Nordics and Egyptians, Will Atlantis be kept out at launch? We don't have much information yet, just that it has beautiful graphics and updated gameplay.

Today I had a very unpleasant experience in a game. A player named harmony insulted me for the whole game just because I played bad. They went as far as stating they have had a *** intercourse with my mother and other racist offences (really?? only because we were losing a non-competitive game on a free-to-play videogame run by volunteers?). Now, I don't really care about this kind of childish attitude. I usually play to relax after work. But I thought that reporting such toxic behavior would help other players avoid wasting their time with this frustrated person. PS: so far I didn't have had (luckly!) many experiences like this on 0ad. I think that overall players like the one above are a minority in our community. Which is full of passionate and fair people . Update: Added the different account names of player harmony to the title

I don't agree that any team bonus should be very powerful. They should just be sweeteners. The combination of team bonuses, civ bonuses, and rosters, playstyles, etc. should make civs play well together.

I think Civ Bonus 1: Democracy Civic Center -10% training time and -20% research time for each passing phase. Civ Bonus 2: Silver Mines of Laureion Miners +20% metal mining rate for each passing phase. Note: This can function as a soft team bonus, since the Athenian player will have excess metal they can tribute to allies. Team Bonus: Delian League Allied Docks and Warships -20% build time and cost. If you look at other games, team bonuses are super targeted and aren't meant as game-changers. Just nice to have.

Lol, I don't see the same amount of hysterical renunciation of the ptolemies, romans, iberians, or macedonian team bonuses, which have about the same degree of historical inspiration for their team bonuses.

Democracy in Athens only had influence over the Greek states that were also in the commune-state stage, because those states didn't even have a solid monarchy and chose between oligarchs, aristocracy and democracy, but for states that had entered the kingdom stage There will be no impact. The Macedonian, Seleucid, and Ptolemaic kingdoms, who are also Greeks, will only regard Athens' democracy as an immature and outdated system, so it is difficult for me to imagine what team rewards can be brought by Athens' democracy.

For a good layman's read on Athens during this period I would point out Lords of the Sea: The Epic Story of the Athenian Navy and the Birth of Democracy by John R. Hale. It isn't the end all be all of Athenian history for sure, but in terms of something pertinent to finding a team bonus for a game like this it would be valuable. If a few people want me to I can review the book again and some other sources and make suggestions. Admittedly I only have a BA in History with a focus on the Athenian navy and Alexander the Great's campaigns (with an emphasis on logistics), but if it is useful just let me know.

@Bellaz89 my condolences. He had been no better in his other accounts: You can only manually remove him, the moderators might be able to ban him for a while but he knows how to bypass bans.

Thanks for the advices, but I really don't want to pay back them (although at a certain point in that game I just ordered all my units to circle around their CC.. which triggered them even more and that was funny ). The kind of offences they use are something like a middle-school bully could say. So nothing that could honestly hurt me at my age My problems with being insulted the whole game are: If I am constantly pinged with insults I lose focus on the game and I play worse. Even if I do not feel offended, the game experience becomes unpleasant. Again, I usually play 0ad to relax after work. So playing in this condition is just a waste of time for me. I don't want to spend my free time with socially incapable kids. So, sorry, if it happens that I am playing one of your TG and one player start to talk to me with such level of aggression, I would just either quit the game before the end or start playing not seriously. I try always to play at my best and not quit in advance because I respect other players and their time regardless of their skill level. But thrash talking is one exception to this rule. There are people that are fine or don't care playing with players that lack even the minimum amount of social skill. I cannot. And I think there are other players like me that would prefer to avoid playing with them. Therefore, as @Norse_Harold has said, I think this thread could be useful to ban harmony/Shyft_sierra from non-toxic games and have decentralized moderation. So if this decentralized ban is applied I (and hopefully the majority of other players) could enjoy 0ad game more. The only reason I can think this person should be stopped is that new or sensitive players could quit playing 0ad. But this is more a problem of the whole (developers, moderators and players) community than mine.

There are lot of ways you can pay back this dude, make as much army as you can and rams and resign near his cc. send all you resources to some one who is border with him or fighting this dude etc. believe me this guy will feel a lot irritated after this and he will start talking BS to you take screenshots and send that to devs.

and with the naval game make it more attractive and dynamic.

The real task is to make water maps or mixed maps more playable.

Today i had very unplesant experience in a game. A player named DoctorOrgans insulted me for the whole game just because I'm simply better player. He sees only 1 viable strategy and it is "follow me", "do what i say".. If you simply ignoring this toxic player he starts calling you "idiot" and other bad words. This is not first time but many many times. How this can be resolved? Am I the only player person who experienced such low IQ behaviour?

@Stan` Please can we fix this bug, remove this feature from the forum? If you are afraid of DDOS then reduce the delay to 1 second?

I'm experimenting with particle effects to generate waterfalls on random maps. I'm not super-great with particles or x-y-z things, or numbers, so if anyone wants to collaborate, ping me on PR 74 Video clip

Hello, give my vote 1) We need more time to think to new bonus, a lot of idea are in forum. I don't really like wikipedia bonus just about % stats etc. we can find more fun. If we change bonus teams we need do it for long time , not for some month. 4) no understand so i don't vote 5) For me ram are ok, we need keep it can attack by melee unit without big difficulty. Add unit in for boost move speed is useless micro. no fun and no interest. If you want change ram (and orther siege) do it like 0 pop unit and can be move only by garnison, but we need big buff for siege for play them in most little number. 8) Agree with Majima, 1 tech for phase 2 and 1 tech for phase 3 is good. 2 tech in phase 2 or 3 that doesn't make sense. We need see again the cost of phase 3 tech military and maybe little utilitary tech in phase 3 (orther than damage and armor, like range? aoe dammage for melee? ) But for 9) BIG NO, why nerf the only heroe athens viable ? you know athens heros is good but you can't snipe with unit in formation? it broke armor bonus. We need keep good bonus heroe. And ptol heroe is not the most use, we need keep it. it good and fun strategy. And mercenary ptol is good alternative for play differently. 7) i like big cost on healer for don't create meta of healer, than my idea for druid britons is bonus team where druid are produce by 2 for same cost. big interest for create druide. With big cost , it give good advantage to produce druid.

Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition Getting Return of Rome DLC We announced an upcoming Age of Empires II: Definitive DLC, Return of Rome. Thinking the key art looks familiar? You’d be right! We’re adding Age of Empires: Definitive Edition content, playable in the Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition client! We’ll be sharing more details in the not too distant future so stay tuned for more information.

Hello! The installation guide on mod.io mentions "Terra Magna" instead of "Millennium A.D.": Please refer to: https://github.com/0ADMods/millenniumad/issues/78

A better version: It was drawn by Giuseppe Rava => https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100051111677742 Sadly this is one of his worst illustration. Probably due to a lack of advices and a lack of knowledge about the material. Yes the winged helmet is a weird interpretation from the early 19th century when people thought that the cheek-guards of helmets were metallic supports for decorative wings... that's why you can see it on some statues depicting Vercingetorix and Ambiorix. The bronze cuirass is also something from the Hallstatt C period (800–620 BC), totally anachronistic with the rest of the items. Giuseppe Rava made a better one recently, thanks to the advice of François Gilbert, a French reenactor:

This is a great exaggeration and does not reflect how civs are chosen in real life team games. There are team bonuses that are more powerful than others, but very frequently players pick a civ such as Persians despite their lack of a team bonus. There is also more civ diversification when different combinations of civs can lead to alternative playstyles, because of interaction between civ specific bonuses and team bonuses. -15% ship construction time is not an actionable bonus since there is nothing a player can do to take better advantage of the bonus. Reduced cc upgrades cost and time is a VERY actionable bonus because a player can decide which phase to prioritize and it opens up an endless box of new playstyles. I think team bonuses are great because they can form part of the strategy of the team game. A team game is not 4 simultaneous 1v1s, and people pick their civs not just for their own interests. @wowgetoffyourcellphone other games such as AoE2 have much less noticeable civ bonuses than team bonuses, but also its worth recognizing that there is much more gameplay depth in 1v1s than TGs in AoE2 and that this is not the case in 0ad.

That should work, cause i personally don't like to wait 20 seconds on every search ( especially when there's no results for your search query, waited 20 secs - search another one after 20 secs no results - wait 20 secs )

Thanks for the heads up! Most of the issues you mentioned is well aware of and noted. The security button and some functionalities are not working so far , and also you might see an error saying defbot.py does not exists, you can totally ignore the error. Some files were excluded but a new update will be pushed soon which should cover all the issues. ATM, hope you enjoy

https://www.academia.edu/11694254/Armor_in_Japan_and_Korea

Hi I installed this mod via "mods selection", it change a lot of thing in the lobby etc, but specific sub menu option for godeye are missing from the "option" main menu. I'm having a message error as if my "option.json" doesn't exist I went to my mod file and it is there inside a ziped filed. It's like if the pathway to find the file is wrong anyhow?. Unfortunately i can't make screenshot while i'm in the lobby, it freeze my computer. Anyway it seems that those options are still available from other sub menu..... Also lot of things seems to not work : -going strait to the lobby, -seeing techs from resume - auto giving resources to ally ... even if i clicked on those options and they'r still clicked after quitting and rejoining the game. Thank for what you've done so far!

Just use your Yekaterina-Account?

In other words, what we should be doing is a distinct, now-disappeared Northeast Asian civilization, not an "ancient Korea".

fixed: https://youtu.be/GK7M1kZamJ8 (was the wrong video befrore)

Thank you @Sevda. I linked this thread in your thread too.

Thanks for posting this info. It helps to inform the player base so that a decentralized justice system can be effective. According to user1, lobby moderators aren't responsible for moderating player conduct within the game. The "jurisdiction" of a lobby moderator is public lobby messages, user names, and game room names. The in-game conduct needs to be moderated by the game host and the players in the game. My recommendation is for more hosters to establish rules for their games, and for more players to join such games. Here is a forum thread with my advice about how to choose and enforce rules for the "pro" or "OP" team games. In addition, I would like to see lobby bans become more effective, and when lobby bans are effective then in-game bans are effective. We need a C++ software developer to volunteer to help with that.

In a related issue: @Langbart, how do you define "not outdated"? I am currently in the process of putting all the civilization database (those with Civ: prefix) back to current alpha standards. Starting with the Athenians, of course.

I think democracy did set Athens apart. Furthermore, making democracy affect the Civic Center in some way makes a lot of sense. Though, I don't think it makes sense as a team bonus unless you call it something like "Exporting Democracy," which the Athenians did do throughout their empire, but then again I'd rather democracy be just a civ bonus. A team bonus has to be naval-based. Their empire was a maritime empire after all. I know that makes them less desirable as a team mate on a land map. It's hard to justify anything else without a bit of stretching, so you have to allow for that.

what do you mean cherry picking? how is Athen's bonus not fitting? It is Justified and historically plausible. Honestly, it is no less fitting as a team bonus than its successor (which was ships -10% train time, unsure how this would effect other civs IRL). Do I have to mathematically calculate a percentage from the effect(s) democracy had on athenian research efforts? Such efforts of historical simulation are really kind of silly when my skirmishers can walk in 1 minute from the British isles to China. if you dislike that it is the term "democracy" then why oppose the team bonus merge request as a whole? instead, just suggest calling it "Socratic scholarship" or something. Sorry if I seem offended, but it makes just no sense to dislike the whole patch on a single (personal) historical concern.

Sad story... Some of his accounts: Shaved_below Shyft_Sierra puddle_of_sperm pen1s_collider chicken.watermelon moohawk harmony Maybe I can comfort you guys with a funny replay where he plays with his moohawk account? No community mod, but autociv mod. Upcheering.zip

Interesting, I encountered this player earlier and he was nice to me, but I only played one and probably did not catch on to his behavior tendencies. I would say Shyft_sierra and his smurf accounts rank as number 1 on toxicity scale. He makes JC look like an angel. It seems most people let Shyft sierra play despite his level of toxicity, but I would support hosts that ban him from their games.

There are indeed a few such players. Unfortunately there is no way how to ask lobby moderator to punish such player. Either they will ask you for thousands of evidence, and even if you provided it (but who makes screenshots in game right?) they tell you hosted game is in full control of person who host. Also there is no send flowers to such person in-game so in fact no single way of defense. The worst part is other players won't care much, they simply want play fast, not their problem or just ignore him. With the time tere will be no enough players so you either doomed to not play or accept such toxic players. Once I made a mod for host of the game, to be able to ban permanently such person, but reaction here was even worse. They blamed me I'm bad person. There is no solution to stupidity other then just leave this game. Nobody will listen us. See result 1 month later or 1 year later.. so we write such text here just at least feel some stress reliev.

i don't do shift-delete own population. i don't like it. i want have a simple trick. it should be disabled and the effect should be that the walk out of the map. call them refugees or call it holiday. that i could do then without problems. BTW (by the way) what is the name of the map where you can run out at the edge (and come out on the other side)?

Hey everyone, I am writing this post to let you know I will become mostly unavailable in the three coming weeks starting Tuesday. "All we have to do is decide what to do with the time that is given to us." It's an opportunity for me to regain some of the energy to keep working on this project and to rest in general. I'll be at the open source experience in November in Paris and at the CDL in Toulouse so they will be my only 0ad-related tasks Social Media might be a bit silent too for a while. If you see people having issues there, don't hesitate to help/direct them to the forums. I count on everyone of you to help make A27 a success and to be nice when I'm gone, and I hope to see you all soon. See you soon folks,

Very good, in addition to the observations I sent you in the personal messages, can we see a cc a little more traditional for them? Maybe a palace or administrative center, I know it existed but I'm out of references now.

Someone can add this one to the social media accounts. Just mention that 0 A.D. Alpha 26 has a dozen mods for it already and more on the way.

could we see all this great matches at a youtube(s)? maybe as dual commentary?

@Belisarius17, I am truly sorry that my post made you feel this way. As @Grapjas stated I was merely trying to help. As you can see you are _waaaay_ cooler than me, for you have more reputation per post than me.