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A little update: Incorporates Morale System. Now all units have morale. In addition, units with zero morale for some time (currently 30s) will turn into Gaia capturable slave. Auto Queue. Now a structure can be set to auto-queue to loop through available unit production queue as long as resources and population available. Farm reseed. Fields are now have finite grain amount. Fields also only gatherable by one unit, and will automatically rebuilt if the grain supply has been depleted. I'm probably going to freeze the mod development for a while, perhaps will continue once Alpha 25 has been released. But meanwhile your suggestions and critical reviews are always welcome.

Here you go guys Yekaterina Mod consists of everything you have proposed: 1. Everything said by @Thorfinn the Shallow Minded 2. Changes to Roman camps according to reza-math and @nani 3. Soliferreum champion units for Iberians as suggested by @soloooy0 4. African Veteran units for Carthaginians and Carthaginian heros can train units. yekaterinaMod.zip Just unzip and install. It is called YekaterinaMod. Tell me which part you like and which part you don't, also report any bugs please. Sorry for the delay I fell asleep while reading the forum @Lion.Kanzen

The files in question you need to add to your mod are: gui\common\!!!autociv_patchApplyN.js gui\common\mod~autociv.js gui\gamesetup\NetMessages\GameRegisterStanza~autociv.js Then change all occurrences of "autociv" word for the name of your mod. As for knowing what to change here are some tips to follow so you don't trigger OOS (out of sync): simulation folder: don't change code behaviour or variables that are serialized How to know if a variable is serialized: There exist a function name "Serialize" in the component and that function does something with the variable Doesn't exist a function name "Serialize" in the component, that means all is serialized Templated can't be modified gui folder: you can change anything art folder: you can change anything shaders folder: you can change stuff but most be compatible with the engine maps folder: you can add maps without problems but you can't modify existing maps l10n folder: you can change anything audio folder: you can change anything globalscripts folder: you might be able to change some things, not sure about this one

Building farms around the CC isn't some immutable law of the Universe or something. It's simply based on positive and negative incentives (and the lack thereof), which can be changed.

Atlas really needs the option to choose the biome of the random map the designer is generating. Mainland random map, for instance, has no option to choose a different biome. It always generates an Alpine biome map. There is no drop menu, as in game setup, to choose the biome it ill generate.

The defensive AI needs some work - it's just sitting duck! The AI just builds some lame towers and wait for me to come and destroy it. It doesn't even get enough swords and skirmishers to counter my siege, and sends units one by one into my crowd of spearmen. If you don't use formations, this will happen: Also I don't get how capturing units work. There doesn't seem to be such an option. Here are the replays: 2021-05-16_0005.zip

Macedonia 36 - Battle of the Hydaspes (326 BC) In May 326, the Macedonian king Alexander the Great and his ally, raja Ambhi of Taxila, battled Porus, a raja who had not been able to surrender himself to Alexander. There were heavy rains - the monsoon seems to have started early - and the river Jhelum, already wide in May because of the melting waters of the Himalayas, became very wide. Porus thought he'd have a chance, if only he could win time and keep the river between his own army and that of his enemy. What Alexnader needed was a surprise crossing, and the rain offered sufficient opportunity. Another element of surprise was that the Macedonian officer Coenus had brought the ships (which had been used to cross the Indus) all the way to the Jhelum. During a stormy night, Alexander and his army slipped away from the Jhelum through a hidden valley, out of sight of Porus. At dawn, Alexander crossed the Jhelum, a considerable distance upstream from his initial camp. Unaware of what had happened, and seeing a substantial part of Alexander's army (commanded by Craterus) still on the opposite shore, Porus could not believe the news that the Macedonians had reached the east bank. He sent his son to find out what had happened, but he was killed in action. The fact that it had been raining made it very hard to fight from chariots, a factor that contributed to the defeat of the prince. Alexander proceeded along the river, downstream, towards Porus' army. You, playing as Coenus, are in charge of elite cavalry units, as well as the Dahae horse archers. Alexander's officers advise that our left flank is vulnerably and may need assistance. You are to do anything you can to ensure we are victorious. Alexander and Coenus must survive, and in addition, if too many of our infantry perish, we may have no choice but to put a hold on our Indian expeditions. AI Settings: all AIs should be Sandbox. Reference image I used for the battle is the following: https://www.livius.org/site/assets/files/2552/hydaspes_map1.gif

I am working on new precisely historic helmets for the Zapotecs, besides I intend to create yet another variation in the body texture of the padded armor and a new variation for the shield. In addition I will add the warrior with siege torch and the scout running unit of Delenda est.

@Yekaterina nice work. We need to collect everything in one mod. This will make it easier to test.

I've looked into this aswell when i started. I know how this is done but generally speaking its better to not do it (devs discourage it). It can cause out of sync errors depending on what your mod does. It could also be considered cheating if you have a mod enchancing things that others do not have. Your mod will also not be approved for the ingame mod downloader, reducing the audience you can reach significantly because there are much more offline players than you think. With all that said though, i think you are safe from out of sync errors if the changes are strictly GUI, but im not 100% sure. tip: look for the monkey in @nani's mod. I guess he renamed it. It's mod~autociv.js and !!!autociv_patchApplyN.js

Personally I would like it if <default><Clearance> in simulation/data/pathfinder.xml was bumped up to 1.5 from its current value of 0.8. Right now there are an awful lot of units clipping through each other in melee fights. Increasing the unit separation would make fights more readable, increase the importance of concavity, and would make the range differences of the melee unit types much more apparent and significant.

Yes, ire seems more realistic, or perhaps we can favor the gameplay and the freedom of the player to allow the dock to be done in the middle of the map without water, for me it is not much different from making many fields around the administrative center without respecting whether the area is fertile, if you have a farmstead close by or something. A simple copy and paste of conventions that came from old rts games. And not the 0a.d. he is not a city builder but he values a verisimilitude that in my opinion should be taken into account.

That's just simply wrong? It's very plain to see the CC is representative of the administrative center of a town or city.

Great , i had this idead because it would kinda replicate the phalanx without the use of those useless formations and would allow them to retain worst attack stats then spearmen because more of them could attack at the same time balancing it out.

if there was a timeout for the duration of a game, i would use it very often. sometimes you only have half an hour or at most an hour and you already know that before the game. the best calculated summary should win. is that possible to program that as mod?

Scouting is part of any RTS. Why would someone want to automate this? It comes down to using shift key and paying attention to mini-map... edit: At least it would be good to be able to disable this from game settings IMHO edit2: Just realised the patch is quite old, I hope this idea is now gone

yes, it seems to me that it is not the intention of the development team.

PYRO MOD maybe

@Lion.Kanzenhttps://wildfiregames.com/forum/topic/40177-make-multiplayer-compatible-mods/ Help me pls

In the game it is in reverse and it is easier to kill someone with a bow at 60m range.

but that doesn't happen currently. My idea was lowering attack range of other melee to see if it helps it. Maybe with unit pushing if not with a24 engine already.

The first time I read it I was intrigued and built an arsenal I ended up not using; otherwise it doesn't affect gameplay. I'm checking the unit tree more frequently now. But I'm also a passionate nitpicker.

Update workspaces ?

Aha, the problem is with the template xml for arsenals in the source code. In the tooltips section: <Identity> <GenericName>Arsenal</GenericName> <SelectionGroupName>template_structure_military_arsenal</SelectionGroupName> <Tooltip>Train Champion Infantry Crossbowmen, construct Siege Engines, and research Siege Engine technologies.</Tooltip> <VisibleClasses datatype="tokens">City Arsenal</VisibleClasses> <Icon>structures/siege_workshop.png</Icon> <RequiredTechnology>phase_city</RequiredTechnology> </Identity> This is the general template for all arsenals. We should only add this tooltip to the Macedonians.

how is it plain to have an administrative center of a "something" without houses, production, anything really, just eight chickens?

Oh no sorry I meant to change it to this way Status Quo: Citizen soldiers good at mining and wood, poor at food Women good at food and ok at wood, poor at mining Proposed change: Citizen soldiers poor with all resource collecting Citizen soldiers good at building Women good at all resource collecting.

I'll just say one thing for this hypothetical. Rams. Pikemen do actually have longer range. If you have them stand ground, multiple ranks will attack simultaneously.

I already forgotten Sepultura, but the mention and your remark made me remember one of my favourite albums 20+ years ago

Bactriana (2 players) added. Any ideas for 1 more? Maybe from DE or an area of the "game world" not yet done.

This is a proposal for a new unit for the Carthaginian faction. African Veterans Generic Name: African Veteran Specific Name: ? Class: Champion Infantry Spearman? or Swordsman? Hacker Armament: Spear? or Sword? Ranged Armament: None. Appearance: Armed and equipped with looted Italian equipment Garb: Tunic and lorica hamata Helmet: Hellenistic era helmets Shield: Roman scutum painted with Carthaginian symbols Figure(s): - History: Garrison: 1. Function: Heavy infantry. Good for holding the main battle line. Special: Trained by Hannibal.

Players don't build regularly build army camps this alpha. This alpha army camps can't produce siege and as a result are only only useful if they can shoot arrows at enemy units. That means that camps are only useful if they are placed in an area that will be the center of fighting. Except it is difficult to place buildings somewhere there is constant fighting since your builders will get killed in the fight and the defending player can more quickly spam to a location in their own territory. This ticket (https://code.wildfiregames.com/D3668) will also make army camps less useful because the arrows won't even be as effective anymore. Camps can be built in enemy territory for offensive purposes. In order to actually use camps for that offensive purpose they should have the ability to produce siege. Otherwise, it is just a bad version of colony.

I figured, I had already forgotten the context of this debate.

Hi. To build the map editor (Atlas) you need wxWidgets header (for example its https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/wxgtk3-dev-light/) (or set options --disable-atlas if no map editor is required)

@Yekaterina I think it is best not to talk about cc changes in isolation, many other features of a24 are causing problems. These changes to ccs will not do much alone, they need to be analyzed carefully with other features so that they combine to make outsized improvement in gameplay. I can confirm that I agree with those changes to ccs provided that the gameplay becomes less stabilized, turtleing becomes less OP/ gets restricted to a smaller area of control, and defenses are weakened a bit. Add some civ diversification, and the positive effect of cc changes is multiplied by the presence of other good changes.

I am just tired of marching my 80 archer/ 50 spear army along parallel defenses in a 4v4 for 20 minutes at a time, only for people to go afk because the turtling is so boring. Everyone has a bunch of archers and are constantly trying to get an enemy to fight under a fort and tower, but no one will because their archers get eaten by towers. You can't attack weak spots because archers will get to the fight before any other unit besides cav, and then even weak spots take too long to break, causing you to be 2v1ed. One problem is stone availability, another problem is that everyone has too much time on their hands. In a23 everything was a race against time, in a24 there is little excitement, little risk, little reward, and little offensive mobility. This late game turtliness and gameplay stabilization is probably the worst problem of a24 and needs to be addressed more, because it covers up all of the good features a24 did bring. You talked about defensive map control, this is the opposite of what Rauls used to do with his ptol colony-->fort--> catapults. The way I interpreted @ValihrAnt's talk of map control, I think he was trying to foster offensive map control.

You can edit the map. Guess he just wants a map filter so random selection can be used (inferred from "when it happens I quit")

We could make it so heroes can unlock the training of different units as long as they live.

I was a little unmotivated to work on the mod but im back at it. Added a new prototype branch on github where you can follow the progress of the next update. Also made a spreadsheet i use for re-balancing units for the mod that you can look into if interested. It will work with a deduction system based on what the unit is wearing as described in my previous post.

By reducing ranged damage overall. Currently all ranged units have to much DPS for my taste. The current meta revolves to much about ranged units, so people compare how archers and Javelineers fight against each other, whereas hystorically the fair thing to do is to compare how Archers and Javelineers can support melee infantry. In current meta it is the other way around, how can melee units support/soak damage best? Being pikemen.

I like the sand-color that makes the berries stand out. IMO, as long as there is some color differentiation between "map green" and "berry green" it is visible.

Okay, so it would be over my dead body. I have an idea that might work, without much extra work.

ty I think it's basic and easy to set up. Advantageous for exploration, and not too punishing for a player surrounded by these outpost. But the new outpost is stupid and often counterproductive.

Hi, The subject of mercenaries is complex but brings an undeniable charm to combat and resource management. Proposal: Differentiate between mercenaries and citizen-soldiers. This disturbs me personally but I think these proposals can give them their expected differentiation -> An identity. Players who use it want to do battle with their opponents, either by quickly supporting an ongoing fight or by massing a beautiful, powerful army. A lot of buff and debuff ! Buff : 1-training time 2 seconds, almost instant. It is already an invaluable force. 2-No rank system, the unit is already experienced in combat. The technology for the mercenary rank is to be removed.We avoid having mercenaries who are almost stronger than a champion and we do without unnecessary rank management. 3-Stats generally higher than citizen-soldiers and lower than champions. Current rank 2 equivalent. 4-A loot bonus of 10% (it's slight but to reward the good use of these mercenaries and to affirm the difference between citizens and mercenaries. Warning, 10% of 1 ressource = ? = care. Debuff : 5-No harvest, no construction, always the possibility of repairing. 6-A low cost of food and a high cost of metal. The current cost +5 METAL and 10 for CAV provided the METAL ISSUE is solved. If players get into the habit of mining 2 metal with less wood or food harvester. So with mercenary strategy is a little different economy. METAL ISSUE : I have already spoken about it in another subject. Badosu work for more balance map, more number of METAL spot, but i like really random for avoid the system of build order like age of empire. It my opinion. But all agree for more METAL spot on map i think. Maybe we can have 2 options in lobby for random map: LOW METAL MAP AND METAL MAP NORMAL (like now+more metal spot on map). But also a new technology which increases the efficiency of the collection -> With a mine of 1000 we can collect 2000 metal with a tech in the warehouse. This means that the speed is not increased but that in the long term we will have more Metal. Others more original bulk idea: 7-This is not my delirium but I submit it to the debate, we can also imagine that the mercenaries would be recruited for a limited period, for example 5 minutes, increased to 7 in the presence of tech or heroes and would be overpowered (like champions but at the cost of a mercenaries), you get the idea? 8-Mercenary units can be given to allies. This is not a big buff or debuff but it can have a strategic aspect in team play. 11-The recruited units don't pop into the building but come from the edges of the maps ... (yeah I know it's crazy ...), both a buff and a debuff, it depends on the situation. Allows you to rush more easily for example. But who choose the position clock ?? 12-Recruitment is different. not one unit at a time but in groups of 10. A single group of the same type of unit of living mercenaries can be recruited at a time. It would only cost resources and training time of 20 seconds. Advantage: Does not cost population, units do not sleep in your houses. 12bis- We can see further with proposition 12. In this group there is an additional unit, a kind of mercernary half-hero. 500 HP which brings a military aura 20 yards around it. Increase the cost of Metal +150 compared to proposal 12. 12bis-bis Siege group made up of several soldiers (around 10) and 1 powerful siege weapon. A group quickly ready for attack with a metal cost. 13- Mercenary same cost as now but they have all upgrade because they have own gear.All uprage do not apply to them. So if you rush METAL ECO you don't need blackmisth upgrade. Really strong.

My opinion: Mercenaries should not need any training. They are hired, not trained, fully ready for campaign. Effect: Mercenaries train instantly or very fast (5 seconds or less). Part of a Mercenary's compensation is plunder, that sweet sweet loot they can send back to their families in Bumfuq Arcadia. Effect: The <Looter> component is disabled. Mercenaries are usually already experienced at war (or garrison duty at least). Effect: Most mercenaries train at Advanced rank. Some (Balearic Slinger, for example) train at Elite rank, with additional cost. Mercenaries are paid a wage and buy their own provisions. Effect: All mercs cost Metal and only Metal ("Coin" in Delenda Est was designed for this purpose). Cavalry mercs cost more. Hiring Mercenaries is expensive, and kings had to heavily tax their subjects in order to afford large numbers of mercenaries. Effect: A new tech at the Market, "War Taxes", gives the player a trickle of Metal from every Citizen and Trader, but reduces their gather rates.

To me this looks not like poor discoverability. It uses the same aura concept and visualization as heroes, healers, temples and the old rotary mill, therefore it is not "invisible" as the diminishing returns. So I can't really follow your argumentation. I would be happy if you try the mods and tell me in more detail how the the communication to the player could be improved. And yes, I agree it should be obvious to the player without checking the code. I also agree that is is bad to restrict player choice (I don't like the minimal distance between towers for example), but I came to the conclusion that some restriction actually help the gameplay and the realism. Otherwise we would have the discussion: Why can I not just use my houses as dropsites? why can I not build champions in P1? why can I not build 20 wonders? These restrictions help with the narrative and the realism. Also, please note that farmlands are not the only options discussed. Disabling the CCs dropsite abilities and reducing its arrow count was my original proposal, which would not be such an "artificial" (meaning visible) restriction as a minimal distance, but it seems like people would like the CC as it is now.

Imagine you'd have to do the A23 -A25 leap alone with custom js components remplates and AI. Without intermediate steps it's nearly impossible to test things still work.

You can already play some maps by night. A day and night cycle could be implemented on a map basis, but there is currently no one available working on this feature.