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Not when the people doing the walking are 4 meters tall and can build up a whole civilization from a single building in the space of half an hour! Games like this intrinsically operate on Paul Bunyon logic, which as arbitrary as it seems does actually follow a consistent set of rules. The only thing that is illogical is certain people coming in and demanding engine design choices to conform to their personal understanding of real world physics, without thinking about how that would affect other game systems. You are in the wrong here my friend, but you are welcome to make a mod that changes the walk speed to whatever you want it to be and see how the game plays.

I find some suggestions ITT rather exotic and non-appealing. If there's so much agreement that they're OP let's just nerf them some. Lower their base damage a bit and maybe make the fire only applicable to buildings.

(They don't.) Sounds like a good tradeoff? Lower base damage for a long term effect.

To get to the point that the game plays on fire champs ... requires for a player to not be attacked for 17, or so, minutes. You need: Phase 3 in 12/13 min. Suitable number of stables. Sufficient metal mines. Sufficient food producers. Probably all forge upgrades + will to fight to be effective (min 15.5 max 17 min) If you don't attack a player for 17 minutes ... especially an Iber player ... those skrim champs deserve to burn down every single town.

As a 20 years software developer, this pains me to read.

If anyone is looking for ideas about new mods, here is one that was made for MegaGlest... 2D war that takes place all on a sheet of notebook paper: Paper War Video

We have to introduce support mechanics against X damage. The defenses should have technologies to withstand fire.This is already rolling out in AoE IV where all units fire torches. The only ones that cannot be burned are the walls.

It's m/s, never ever km/h. As alre correctly pointed out, there is some ridiculous scaling involved, like a sea having a width of 200m. The only thing that is somewhat realistically scaled wrt in-game meters are buildings. No surprise a 4m tall spear man walking at 7m/s or a ship crossing the Atlantic in less than a minute.

That seems like a good resolution to the problem

This is a bad idea, we still want to enjoy using it. For example I enjoyed using Roman siege in A23 and then it got nerfed into the ground in A24 onwards and I am still annoyed at that. I am certain there are players who enjoy using fire cav because its a unique entity for all intents an purposes, much like Roman Siege from A23. If you going to impose this level of cost you may as well not have them in the game and you'll have a dead feature and frustrated players as an end result. A better option is to simply make the fire damage apply only to buildings, setting people on fire with a pointy stick seems rather unrealistic, its not a movie.

Very powerful unit, best limited in numbers, but Han may only have 2 champ unit types. Not sure yet.

This is the same **** that makes people keep changing the projectile gravity to 9.81! The distance units in the game are not meters! They are their own thing with no consistent relation to real world distances. The numbers have to be fudged for anything feel right or make sense in gameplay. Yes, units walk insanely fast, projectile ranges are absurdly short, most buildings are comically tiny, and in the real world it takes months to plant a farm.

In the civ.json files you canchange the property SelectableInGameSetup to false. This way you can continue to use those civs on map as non playable factions. Do note that because of a bug in gamesetup the name of such a faction will not be displayed (Unknown will be shown iirc)

Would be nice if I found myself proper time to make a phab acc, go through the process, to open a review request for patch, along with the balancing I have in a branch on GH.

I must insist that meters and seconds have no real meaning in the game settings. All soldiers models are about 4m tall. Also speed is clearly not meant to be realistic, starting from training and building times, to walk speed and attack times. It's all about making the game play in the desired way.

I open this thread to offer a starting point for those that want to deepen specific topics and to centralize the different useful sources found by the members of our community. Anybody can propose a reference to add to the list. I will update the list when I can. To ease the reading, I put the title first, then the author name and the year. The goal here is NOT to reference EVERYTHING. There are too many books on the same topics. The best option should be to propose some key readings on specific topics, the best references available. Some books in foreign languages are welcomed. We should avoid to post direct links to Library Genesis or Sci-Hub here, but checking if the book is available there will be an appreciated effort. Proposing very rare and overpriced books is not useful, except if it is still possible to find it in an electronic format. I start with Rome and I will continue later. Recommended Classical Literature Rome Celts Mauryas / Ancient India Hellenistic / Diadochi / Alexander and his successors Others will follow up...

The reason this thread was created was to inspire and increase the amount of eye-candiers and eye-candy being produced here at WF. In my opinion, AOE3H has some of the best designers out there, that are currently working on this game. So this conceptual is mainly for generic, and pretty much generic-eye-candy only, although the tips can be used in other areas. another idea is to suggest generic unit animations, such as units throwing rocks or torches. Arsonist. but shuold be Celtic. perhaps in rags. High priest. the animation will be like this. The Diplomatic. with a roll or a letter in his hand. Assasin.

This mechanics is complex, you must spend a while I send you torches before it burns. This means that the more fire attacks the damage accumulates, making the snowball effect. With the siege towers and rams you can research technologies to protect them, what was done was to cover them with wet skins. in the case of the Roman fortress it would be another abstraction, the soldiers garrisoned are supposed to act as firefighters. Things are situational. What I noticed is that the buildings connected to the influence of other buildings. It doesn't just depend on a single factor.

Wow, just watched the vid, good job!

You still set blender to eg metric, using meters, yep, and a scene is still a given time in seconds? You have ranges in meters and projectile speeds that are close to realism, but walk speed, nope, in fact use avg km/h speeds in m/s. If you were tasked to add a default human walk speed in m/s to a simulation, would you expect funnily a value that matches the km/h avg human walk speed, or a pretty off sounding m/s value? If I was to make a say scifi mod, and wanted accurate physics based speeds, would the actor view show me proper animations, given it has a fallback values of 7 and 12? 12 is also a good pick for a human run speed btw. Would my mod using the game engine run smoothly with real values, Or would I have to adjust to a certain factor too?

No, team boni never stack

I don't think they're OP however they have good synergy with swordsmen. One of 2 civs with p1 swordsmen (Rome/Iberians). One of 2 civs with R3 sword forge upgrade (Mauryas/Iberians). One of 4 civs (or so) with Barracks producing champion swordsmen (Romans/Macedonians/Iberians/Gauls) Only civ with a hero who decreases costs + increases unit production speed. One of two civs (Kushite/Iberians) with a monument that increases damage (Now available p2 and counts towards p3). In a way, their synergy with sword can be overwhelming if played right. But again, it depends on a player. A good Ptolemy/Mauryas/Roman/Macedonain/Gaul player can give Iberians a run for their money. I don't even think Iberians stand a chance vs Carth/Mace/Rome/Ptol at all (one of 2 civs with no Archers and no Spearmen infantry; Iberians/Romans). Only if those civs let them get to p2 then Iberians stand a chance. On a side note, 2 Iberians decrease each other's Javelineer costs ... that means infantry and cav Javelineers on a 2 Iber team can be overwhelming for some.

I was thinking about giving the unit the similar potential as the Briton chariot against most units, with the fire cav retaining a specialty against siege and buildings. I also ran tests with the chariot, which gets beaten by cataphract(8hp remaining) and the roman consular body gaurd also defeats it(22 HP remaining). Also if we compare the chariot and other cavalry, we see that the main oddity is a DPS of 28.8, which is far higher than most other units. I also think that Iberians are OP without their champion cavalry.

Hey @josuebrown, I recommend finding a suitable model for areas/aspects of life, trying to find out where your deficits are, where your curiosity is and what you are yearning for in your inmost being. If you find yourself too much distracted or absorbed by the daily duties, first create space, time and silence for reflection/contemplation, this is where clear thoughts get the chance to thrive. If you do not know how, take a first little step. Find someone who can help you, read, ask, search... Maybe you just need smaller adjustments, maybe bigger ones including a complete life change (in this case I recommend taking a break for several months if possible, e.g. for travelling, reading, socializing). classic model example: body, mind, soul I would divide this further, e.g. body: health, nutrition, intimacy, exercise I recommend lots of low intensity integrated into daily life like walking, cycling, hiking, ... with short bursts of high/max intensity, instead of running 30/45/60 min the same pace (this is not what our ancestors did). I further recommend bodyweight exercises instead of insulated weight lifting. Nutrition: less sugar, less "bad fat" (like in fast food), less processed food, less meat, more vegetables, more "good fat" (omega 3), more seeds/nuts and whole grain. mind: reading, discussing, discovering interesting theories/ideas soul: being in nature, listening to music, reading, being creative (arts, music, writing, ...), if you're introvert (= gaining energy alone) focus more on meditation/contemplation/prayer, if you're extrovert (= gaining energy in community) focus more on shared activities It can feel quite overwhelming having a huge list, thats why I try to find activities that encompass all fields. E.g. I like hiking and mountaineering. This requires my body (can be tuned from low to insane intensity), my mind (planning routes analyzing weather, terrain, overnight stay possiblities, ...; analyzing/discovering/buying/replacing equipment) and my soul (I can contemplate, I feel temporarily displaced to another world leaving everything else in the valley, when I am solo walking/climbing on an arête, I can get into complete flow mode, ...) another, more specific model example: job, family/partnership, health, social contacts, individuality/hobbies, belief/spirituality This model has been developed by Dr. med. Mirriam Prieß, a German physician, psychotherapist, business consultant, coach and author specialized in the field of burnout. Her experience and thesis is that burnout (and related issues like depression) is not primarily caused by too much workload, but by defunct relationships, both outwards to other people (either non existent or conflicts) and inwards (not listening to yourself, no connection to your "inner voice"). Basically not doing/living what you are intrinsically supposed/designed to do. What I find especially helpful: Try to determine where you have gotten into "flow" mode, this sweet spot between boredom and overextension where you forgot everything else around you including space and time. Try to remember what you wished/dreamed when you where a still a kid. This helps to circumvent blockades/restrictions our "adult" mind imposes on us (as kids we were more directly expressing what we wanted without analyzing external circumstances that much). I hope I could provide some inspiration... Good luck! EDIT: Do not forget to love (and forgive!) yourself. You cannot change the past, but you can influence which person you'll be in the future. And "begin with the end in mind" (one of the "7 habits of highly effective people" by Stephen Covey)...

Quote: "Don't change the gameplay please. We really need loading of multiplayer matches and better performance instead." (I agree) Why? Because fire cav works well with 30+ units. To demolish buildings 50+ units are advantageous. In short fire cav is a late P3 unit. Iber has a strong eco but no continuous powerspike. Briton and Gaul are the only civs that also only have rams as siege weapons, but have p2 and early p3 powerspikes and good p1 harassment potential. Iber boom can be harassed very well in p1 using cav, especially spear cav. The eco bonus helps with skirmishers and iber is vulnerable to swort cav harassment in p2. Iber food eco can be harassed well by cav archers. I find the iber towers more of a disadvantage because they cost more and are easier to take over due to the larger footprint. The Iber wall secures the food eco but hinders the eco growth, which is why some players tear it down in parts. To really take advantage of the fire cav, a 30+ fire cav and a cav army are recommended. A large material and time investment. As a strong unit in a spearman, swordsman, skirmish army the mobility is far less and the damage potential as well (ford, turret...defenses work). If someone builds up iber fire cav I just use skirm, swort cav to keep the numbers small. The short range of the fire cav is its weakness and means that losses in hp or units will occur. If someone uses that many units for the eco those groups can be overwhelmed or the eco slowed down. If someone is not fighting in early p3, one of the allies can be overwhelmed (doubled) in TG. I think there are enough ways to prevent a larger number of fire cav. Why every unit has to be a copy of another unit and can't stand for itself (unique selling point) I don't understand. An op army after 25+ minutes in the game without being harassed I find ok.

Perhaps more soldier types and building types is better than worker types.

Bigger units would be nice (prettier gameplay and graphics) even if it is not realistic in terms of scale. and especially that the units are not packed when they move and fight (like before what). This is not the subject i know

Giving them to someone else wont resolve the core issue that fire cav are inherently broken, one because skirmishers in general are broken, and two because if I understand their fire mechanic right they are stacking their own bonus damage on each attack, to the point they can ignore armour with impunity. Which is why they are killing buildings so easily as well. Third tier blacksmith upgrades didn't help either

So you are saying CS are to cheap for their economic/military value => adjust price/economic value/military value. There are plenty of possibilities to add new unit types, so question to answer are: Are more and more unit types a good thing for gameplay Do specialized economic unit types add anything to gameplay Do they fit the game lore For point 2 I only see more micro intensive eco management, whether to treat this as a good thing(tm) is up to each and everyone.

Let us not forget that Iberians have Indibil who drops resources costs on units by 15 % and gives a 20 % training time bonus. Therefore allowing for greater mass production.

An absolutely great idea!

Aaaah I remember to have seen such feature somewhere! Exactly, I was wondering if this could have been the correct workaround or there was some other snippets of code I was missing.. I was afraid to make a mess! Thanks everyone! I'll keep trying and experimenting. It's very interesting and fun!

Ahahaha I chuckled at this! Omg this is so unnecessary lol This is quite a bummer I was hoping it could become a real mechanic. There's a game, Praetorian where is a well developed mechanic and something that could work awesomely in 0ad Ah, this is very interesting! I always thought there was something strange in siege mechanic in 0ad also because how sturdy is siege. Maybe by making it more fragile it would avoid those typical ram-only invasions to finish the game. Mmmh interesting new perspective here! It seems that you're starting to enjoy it a little! That's great!

fan of the saga. Nothing more and nothing less.

the game is fast with the CS. Just tried the AoE IV and I'm disappointed. Our game has more personality and soul. How AoE is generic feels like EE 2 or 3.

Mauryan sword cav are so strong, they can win against the pikemen/spear cav that are supposed to counter them. Skiritai are far from being champions and they can only gather at half the speed. The skiritai are stronger than the mauryan sword cavalry in a 1v1 though. If chariots die to short ranged infantry, that is not their fault. That can only be caused by neglecting micro. This is neither true. An Indian elephant can take on up to 10 skirmishers on its own and is as resistant as 10 spearman. The point is that the elephants can't take on 40 skirmishers. However I have to admit that defending against an early p3 push can be difficult as Mauryans against Spartans.

the idea is fine, if one has a military bonus and another one a naval or production bonus, but the only hero that has a bonus for non-naval maps is that one, that comes in arid or icy climates is nothing remarkable and does not even give speed to nearby units, the heroes are not important or decisive in most maps, it is a shame. and since women can be soldiers, it would be nice that this hero with economic bonus would give some buff to women, since their use is mostly to produce food and with the improvement of the corrals there is no reason to have so many women. I see it more like if you take away the major utility of women, give them a bonus so they can be a soldier: defense, attack, speed and / or tanking.

Interesting points, just remembering that it's not versions yet, it's a work in progress let's say this would be the mod's "first viable product" What would it be : "but if you can make the women soldiers then it's not the ñaaaa I don't love it."

hello i like the faction a lot and i love the buildings of 10,it is a bit faster civ than the iberos and can be used aggressively quite fast, i would like to see how someone who plays more aggressively than me uses it. now the things that don't work or should change, 2 heroes are naval and 1 livestock, but if you can make the women soldiers then it's not the ñaaaa I don't love it. invisible and non-existent troops . I miss the guerrillas and the iberos the soliferrum that gave this mod. the veton castro, doesn't give vetons, nor mercenaries, nor different units, before it gave cavalry with sword and something else I think. the little that gave an advantage of rush or early attack was gone, without mercenaries, nor the guerrilla loses enough, also has disappeared the monument and the Phoenician allies also disappeared, I liked it better before, I had more variety and options. The manual battering ram retains the classic sound, it should have a different one. the previous version of the lusitans I loved, with this is weaker than the previous in several ways, to see if you find something in between this and the previous version, has the possibilities of being one of my favorites when it comes out.

New Hero: Paul Bunyan Base Woodcutting rate 8.00

Hi, I like the suggestion of units specialised to specific tasks. Here is my idea: Each citizen unit is specialised to one type of job, albeit mining or logging or farming. Perhaps they are allowed to perform other tasks but at a lower efficiency. When the situation requires, you can set them to fight and they will take on a role as a soldier type. For example, you can train a slinger-miner or a spearman-farmer. This allows you to train units according to your needs. To prevent overcrowded panels, we can have more cheaper barracks: melee barrack, ranged barrack, champions barrack. I know this is a huge change to base game so it is probably very difficult to implement.

Engineer Can build engines and siege equipment. (Capturable).

Use it to reset what units are being attacked, by my units, so units don't get pulled. Some people micro so much that it is necessary to do. (Edit: Interestingly, I was told this was the "attack nearest unit command" (it works this way based on level of aggression set) instead of "halt/stop." That is, I've been using it as the "attack nearest units command" to prevent my units from zeroing in on a specific unit and chasing/being pulled to die without killing anything. I double hit the command too ... which probably costs me time but just a habit.)

Could you give some details on this point. What textures do you find problematic?

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https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1662 As fatherbushido said the way the game player data is stored makes it difficult to or I would say impossible without changing how many things works inside the engine. Most data concerning the number of players is implicit encoded in one sole variable (to "compress" the data) for all players instead of a variable for each. The current limit is a hard 8 players + gaia. From the side of the map's playability: As elexis said, the problem resides in that the current maps just aren't made for more than 8 players.

If I am not wrong, some data types used in the code fit the number of players. So it would require some careful work. (It's not like if there was just a number to change everywhere.)

I think that @elexis had a patch to increase the player count limit. One of the problems is that (some of) the map generating scripts aren't designed to work with more than eight players.

Only your pc + pathfinder is the limit.