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Hello @elexis, have not seen you around for quite some time. But before i stray away from what i wanted to say : First of all, i apologize for this late reply. I was just not thinking about it anymore because of some other stuff that was going on. But something reminded me of this running application. It was not the nicest way to remind me of it (because someone named me moderator in the lobby chat and i had the "@" in front of my name for a short time :D). But without further delay i want to announce that i do not intend to keep my application running. I realized that i can help people even without me being a moderator. Of course i dont have any rights to make sure people act acording to the rules then. But that is okay for me. Helping those that i am able to help will be enough for me. And again, i apologize for the time i might have stolen from any of you. Wish you the best Tyler1

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Yes, I agree 100%! I think it will be a long term project though... But Garamantes would be the ultimate desert faction... The oasis kingdom... Rulers of the sand! Personally I'm very into the idea of developing the Greco-Bactrians and the Scythians, because 1) they're absolutely awesome in their own right, and 2) they would allow for a seamless integration of the Han Chinese and the Xiongnu... Develop 2 faction, get 2 more for "free" Sarmatians would also be flippin' awesome... I'm also very excited about the Thracians, because they have like, the coolest units ever... They're like fantastical Greeks or something... They've got that cool Greco-Barbarian thing going for them... They're very relevant to at least 5 or more other factions already in game. They're not often depicted which adds exotic flavour. They help to "complete" the European side of the game. The only people still missing from the European side would be some Germans/Germanics/German Celts, I dunno what to call them. Perhaps split them into Germanics proper like the Suebi (Marcomanni, Semnones), and La Tène period Celtic Germans, like the people from the Oppida of Manching, Alcimoennis and Heidengraben. Yes, Germanics, and German Celts... That would be noice... Then of course there's the "Arab" factions... Nabataeans and Sabaeans... Mmmmmm... I'm even thinking about the possibilities of Habesha/proto-Aksumites/early Aksumites (Ethiopians). So there's no shortage of possible new factions to develop over the coming years Of course, there's also still plenty of work to do, to improve the already existing factions...

The Moblin Big Bad Battle Bases

I am from Bangladesh. My nick name came from the name of the first Bengoli Emperor in history. I like this game very much.

you don't need big boats in the rivers. some like viking ships. you don't need metal with Obsidian is more sharper. and they can use trunks or logs as ramming like any other. they use other kind of armor. but I prefer Romans. the only real weapons, diplomacy (Niccolò Machiavelli) and european urban genetic.(Syphilis).

Mining and Oaxaca places. Oaxaca was rich in gold mining before Spaniards arriving. this place in Oaxaca named as Mixteca Alta (alta means high) it look like similar to Delend Est. Oaxaca Valley. You don't forget the pines from Mesoamerican hills and mountains. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_oocarpa very extended pine tree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_pseudostrobus this last see very common in Oaxaca, i see this in my own town but i'm not sure where.

Would love to have Garamantes for more African factions. Numidians are half covered with Carthaginians

Hahahaha... I feel you man! Nobody was asking for a Black Achilles. I don't know a single black person that was waiting for this... It's just stupid! Like that other BBC animated series about ancient Romans in Britain. I didn't understand the outcry at first (there were black people in Roman Britain), until I actually saw it and cringed at the sight of armies of black Romans and even black Celts... Who does that?! Black Celts? Really?? Why?! Why not make them Nepalese while you're at it... We want movies about Taharqa, Ezana, Sundiata Keita, Mansa Musa, Osei Tutu, Queen Amina, Nzinga, Alfonso of Kongo, Menelik II, Jaja of Opobo... Movies set on the ancient Swahili coast, the Kingdom Zimbabwe, the Kingdom of Benin, Kanem Bornu Empire, Songhai, Sokoto... Even diaspora stories, like the Zanj Rebellion, the Haitian revolution, Nanny of the Maroons, etc, etc... But nah, here's a black washed Achilles instead, because f#&@ you!

BBC.... Spain is improving better shows... is a shame isnt in English. try to see it , even with generated subtitles(translated) the first years of Spanish Conquest , since Colombus To first settlements in Veragua (Nicaragua, Costa Rica and Panama) I hope next season Aztec or Incan conquest.

This is one of my pet peeves as well. In the name of inclusion, the entertainment industry is actually using exclusion. Why make James Bond black when you can be creative and create a new awesome black agent character (maybe even make a cinematic universe out of it where 007 and this new agent frequently cross paths)? Maybe even make him come from South Africa or Liberia somewhere like that so you can include realistic socio-political or historical commentary. You know, a black African who just happens to be as sophisticated as the suave white guy from MI-6. That would be real inclusion. But no... that wouldn't sell in the Chinese market, would it? Why make another goddarn show or movie about Roman Britain (cast with random Middle Eastern and black actors), when you could have a show or film about the Kingdom of Kush? Bring something new to domestic and foreign audiences. Nope, gotta have another Roman show about a lost legion or Boudicca or Gladiators @#$%ing each other.

It was meeting #19: on January 17th 2004 We're currently trying to release some more meeting contents, because it important information on 0ad development as demonstrated by this thread. But it's not easy, since the people involved should be contacted where possible.The link to Avivs post that smiley dug out contains quotations from https://wildfiregames.com/forum/index.php?/topic/712-look-at-javascript/&do=findComment&comment=7389, so at least there is something. Perhaps we can can publish a bit more, maybe this meeting, but I can't decide that alone.

Thanks to @Sundiata and @wowgetoffyourcellphone to contribute with Kush and Athens. As promised added both Kush and Athens cities names: 3 Done and 10 to do, please contribute ! Athenians V Britons Carthaginians V Gauls Iberians Kushites V Macedonians Mauryans Persians Ptolemies Romans Seleucids Spartans

More on the scripting decision here:

@stico You might also be interested in this highly anticipated mod project.

Nice work on this mod

Well done guys! I just played this mod as Anglo-Saxons and I am amazed how this looks. Beautiful! I never been before big fan of 0AD but everything changed now. I am going to attached few screenshots because I don't want them to be wasted :))

Isn't instancing the holy grail of performance improvements in graphics rendering? Basically anything that is rendered more than 2 or 3 times... Especially for trees, grasses and all other flora, as well as things like rocks, boulders, cliffs, which add a lot of character to maps, but can't be used to their full potential right now because of performance. Even things like farms, and houses, walls (basically any geometry that's rendered more than a few times). I barely know what I'm talking about, but in blender for example, instancing makes the impossible possible. Like rendering a high poly forests on a laptop. The performance improvement is enormous. Can't be understated. I also read this piece about instancing huge numbers of animated meshes (with their own textures) a while ago, making me curious to what extent even units could be instanced? https://forum.unity.com/threads/experiments-with-instancing-and-other-methods-to-render-massive-numbers-of-skinned-meshes.447749/

Sorry I took so long, the Moblin units had an insane amount of animations that needed to be done, but they are all done now!

Thanks @Wijitmaker, @elexis and @(-_-) it will be useful for my presentation, when I get to work on it again...

@Lion.Kanzen I made a rudimentary map of Africa, roughly from the 3rd century BC to 1st century BC-ish. It's a bit rough on the edges, forgive me but it will give you a better understanding than those random general maps that just omit everything. The spaces in between are probably occupied by low density hunter gatherers and even "troglodytes" (cave dwellers). There are probably other cultures that deserve mention on this map as well, but I'm not familiar enough with them.

thank u for starting a very nice topic Lion.Kanzen .

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Just beautiful!

Is this out yet? Cause it looks dang good.

That map you shared is not good with regards to Africa... I'll also remind you to read through this post first: Some further elaboration: There's not much there to reference, to be honest, in terms of "civilization" during the BC period... The Nok culture from Nigeria produced a ton of stunning terracottas, almost enough to derive a unit-roster. But architecture is a relative unknown, for now. Advances are being made, but all the looting really destroyed a lot of sites... The Bafour/Imraguen of the South Western Sahara seem to form a missing link between the Tichitt people and later ethnicities like the Mande people, but there's not really much material to research... I'm still waiting for the MILLION manuscripts of Timbuktu to be translated and analyzed/interpreted. They will surely shed some more light on the ancient history of West-Africa. But that will probably take another generation or so. Iron Age cultures like the Nok were already spreading across West Africa and even the Northern part of Central Africa since the early 1st Millennium BC (perhaps even earlier), but we just barely know anything about them yet. The oldest Iron Age sites in Southern part of Central Africa date to the 4th century AD... Around the equator and south of it, Africa was still populated by ancient Paleolithic African Stone Age hunter gatherers, related to Bushmen of the Kalahari/KhoiSan (South) and Pygmies like the Baka (Cameroon, Congo, Gabon) or the Mbuti from the Ituri rainforest (Congo). From the 1st millennium BC onwards these Palaeolithic Africans were slowly, but entirely replaced, absorbed or exterminated by the Iron working, sedentary agricultural societies in most of Central and Southern Africa, a process referred to as the Bantu expansion. I hate the term Bantu, because it's one of those stupid terms that lumps everything together, referring to everything and nothing at the same time. It has also become a derogatory term, even used by "non-Bantu" Africans... There were also Nilo-Saharan and "Cushitic" (not related to Kushites) speaking pastoralists, in East Africa, but nothing of real interest (just cattle herders). This stuff is only interesting for mini-civs/map-creeps. But their geographical isolation makes it not a priority. Basically, during 0AD's timeframe: Very... @stanislas69, is it possible to split this thread, and move everything from Lion's post onwards to "===[TASK]=== African minifaction buildings", for now?

off topic because mayans kill themselves. and the rest were conquered in late Post classic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_disease_and_epidemics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shashanka

just as a tip: enable all fancy graphics when you create such showcasing screenshots, it becomes much more attractive that way Also, as the creator of the original map, I would like to make a few comments on the map design : I haven't try to play it so I can't comment on how the maps plays but it looks as if the two players on the most northern island have much less resources than the other two. On the upper two islands you can see quite a bit of texture tiling (especially in the flat areas), you might be able to take a few clues by looking at the original island and see how I blended the textures together and got rid of most of the texture tiling The small island in the northwest could do with a bit more effort I think, try to come up with some fancy spots and terrain features to make it more interesting! (but don't overdo it, keep it natural and realistic :P) Other than that, a nice idea for an extension!

I believe fauna is supposed to appear in appropriate biomes? Could we maybe have some fresh water fish? I'm quite certain 'forest tuna' is not historically correct. ;P

Yeah, popular culture has an obsession with writing important black Africans out of history, and then reinserting blacks into places they don't historically belong. It's very frustrating. For example last year BBC came out with a miniseries called Troy: Fall of a City. They made Achilles a black man... WHY?! They even made Zeus a black man... WHY?! But Memnon, one of the key figures in the war, was completely written out of the story, as usual... Memnon was considered to be almost Achilles' equal in skill, and was loved by Zeus himself! They removed an actual black king from the actual story, and replaced one of the main white protagonists with a black man instead. Why are they doing this??? Aaaargh?!@# It's just deliberately designed to stir controversy... Interestingly, the dating of the Trojan war has been a little uncertain, and the consensus has already shifted a century or so... Since the 3rd century BC at least, the ancients identified the Egyptian Pharaoh Amenhotep III, as Memnon (according to Ptolemaic Egyptian priest Manetho, also see Colossi of Memnon). Amenhotep III, a black pharaoh of the 18th Dynast (New Kingdom), ruled only a century or so before the current dating of the Trojan war. There is little basis to confirm Amenhotep III as the mythical Memnon, but it's interesting, to say the least, and there were others called Amenhotep, after him as well, including at least one viceroy of Kush... Also, The Egyptian Empire actually bordered Anatolia during this period... And during the reign of Ramesses II, the treaty of Khadesh was signed, a peace treaty between the Hittites and the Egyptians (around the time of the Trojan war). Ramesses II was succeeded by Merneptah. During the New Kingdom, Kush was part of Egypt and Egyptian armies had large numbers of Kushites serving (often referred to as Nubians in modern writing). Ramesses and Merneptah actually fought of invasions from "sea peoples", and the whole history of the Eastern Mediterranean seems very intertwined... Amenhotep III, and Memnon:

In romance languages we use redact as in (language) composition, to write down any document.

For the Gauls: Alesia Avaricum Bibracte Cenabum Corent Divodurum Genava Gergovia Itius Lutetia Noviodunum Samarobriva Uxellodunum Vesontio I'm sure @Genava55 can provide some good British sites, or add some other Gallic ones. @Nescio & @Anaxandridas ho Skandiates can provide good Spartan and Macedonian ones.

Black Ships Before Troy: The Story of the Iliad, by Rosemary Sutcliff, illustrated by Alan Lee: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Ships-Before-Troy-Story/dp/0711215227 Some more of Alan Lee's work on the Trojan war:

Indeed, Terra Magna could be the version of these civs that is compatible with the core game, while Delenda Est adds custom features.

Those are internal posts

I recommend these Delenda Est skirmish maps for YouTubers: Nubian Frontier Saharan Oases Arabian Oases Alpine Valleys Autumn Fields Miletus Peninsula Neareastern Badlands Butana Steppe Tarim Basin River Oxus Coele-Syria Siwa Oasis

Just double click on Millenniumad save config then relaunch the game

This sounds a little like my problem a couple of months ago, here is url if you want to look at it https://wildfiregames.com/forum/index.php?/topic/25604-my-password-doesnt-work-anymore/. Hope it helps.

Well LUA is usually the performance choice for scripting. Do you happen to have a link to a thread where we explain why we did choose one over another ? I get that question a lot and I don't have a solid answer. Js is not slow by itself. It's the interfacing that slows things down. Also having multiple ha contexts/threads would help. Currently only the AI and maybe the aGUI are separated. @Sundiata well it does help a lot for static meshes grass trees props. However low poly count LODs and some other tricks might help more. The issue with units is that they are moving so their geometry is different due to variations their textures and props are different so it might not be instanced. But combined with loss and the old mesh one could reduce the performance strain by changing the actor depending on the zoom.

@user1 @Hannibal_Barca Can you give us some input ?

I've never heard "redacting" used that way although it is technically correct. I've only heard it used for limiting information, which made me wonder what we were hiding in the Privacy Policy.

There is a cycle of two free interesting mooc (on an "academic" site) https://www.fun-mooc.fr/courses/course-v1:EPHE+126001+session01/about It's in french only but I share it because it fits perfectly with 0ad art, history and timeframe: from Alexander death to Actium defeat and it covers more or less the whole Alexander's empire area. Enjoy!

And one extra, a little mythology: Penthesilea, Queen of the Amazons, by Alan Lee. Both riders wearing Thracian equipment. Achilles kills the Queen

Thracian art references:

I would really suggest that you guys fill out the square footprint for the CCs of each civ. Byza's got it right, while the others are meh. I understand muh realizm, but you don't have to fill out the front with structure, you can fill it out with a fence or rails or props or a well or all of the above to help them look similar to the other CCs in the game (I know not all CCs look alike, but even those that don't fit the layout still fill up a the whole footprint. Just a suggestion to help the civs integrate better with the look of the game. Plus, a CC that fills out a whole square footprint looks more substantial and important.

A post by Zeusthor from March 2004: