Alexandermb Posted December 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 Starting the first round of helmets: Spoiler 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandermb Posted December 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 i belive this is used by cart army isn't it? Spoiler 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 That would indeed work nicely for Carthage. I think it should sit more naturally on his head though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 30 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: That would indeed work nicely for Carthage. I think it should sit more naturally on his head though. I agree. 35 minutes ago, Alexandermb said: i belive this is used by cart army isn't it? Reveal hidden contents For other inspirations: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/ewo56 https://tiflos.artstation.com/projects/aP4nJ 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandermb Posted December 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 made the 2nd crest: Spoiler Adjusted the helmet: Spoiler 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandermb Posted December 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 Advanced rank helmet variation: Spoiler Spoiler 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 So, I have this idea about incorporating the Celtiberians in the current Iberian faction. The Kushites have this Nuba Villages right? And the Carthaginians have access to Celtic Embassies. Most of the current game factions have some sort of mercenary camp which they could build. The Athenians, Spartans and Macedonians have access to the Royal Stoa. The Diadochi factions have the military colonies. What if we create a Celtic Village structure for the Iberians, where they could recruit Celtic unit rosters. This building will fuction like a military colony where resources could be dropped and could be garrisoned. This is also a great way of showcasing the Celtiberian architecture in a single structure in the game. @Genava55 @feneur @Itms @LordGood @stanislas69 @Alexandermb 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, wackyserious said: So, I have this idea about incorporating the Celtiberians in the current Iberian faction. The Kushites have this Nuba Villages right? And the Carthaginians have access to Celtic Embassies. Most of the current game factions have some sort of mercenary camp which they could build. The Athenians, Spartans and Macedonians have access to the Royal Stoa. The Diadochi factions have the military colonies. What if we create a Celtic Village structure for the Iberians, where they could recruit Celtic unit rosters. This building will fuction like a military colony where resources could be dropped and could be garrisoned. This is also a great way of showcasing the Celtiberian architecture in a single structure in the game. @Genava55 @feneur @Itms @LordGood @stanislas69 @Alexandermb I definitely agree with this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, wackyserious said: So, I have this idea about incorporating the Celtiberians in the current Iberian faction. The Kushites have this Nuba Villages right? And the Carthaginians have access to Celtic Embassies. Most of the current game factions have some sort of mercenary camp which they could build. The Athenians, Spartans and Macedonians have access to the Royal Stoa. The Diadochi factions have the military colonies. What if we create a Celtic Village structure for the Iberians, where they could recruit Celtic unit rosters. This building will fuction like a military colony where resources could be dropped and could be garrisoned. This is also a great way of showcasing the Celtiberian architecture in a single structure in the game. @Genava55 @feneur @Itms @LordGood @stanislas69 @Alexandermb dont forget Balearic units, @soloooy0 remind me every single month, he is Spaniard/Castilian is his ancestor's culture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGood Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 now we definitely could make that work artistically, but does the Iberian roster call for it? This is a gameplay change, after all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 As for someone who plays the game for casual single player, I could not think of a good justification gameplay-wise. I am suggesting this to amend the historical inefficiencies that was noticed by @Genava55 Altough I am not sure myself if Iberians and Celtiberians often cooperated in the past. The case is just the same for the newly added Kushite faction. It already has too many units but it was still given two mercenary barracks to instill historicity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 18 minutes ago, wackyserious said: So, I have this idea about incorporating the Celtiberians in the current Iberian faction. The Kushites have this Nuba Villages right? And the Carthaginians have access to Celtic Embassies. Most of the current game factions have some sort of mercenary camp which they could build. The Athenians, Spartans and Macedonians have access to the Royal Stoa. The Diadochi factions have the military colonies. What if we create a Celtic Village structure for the Iberians, where they could recruit Celtic unit rosters. This building will fuction like a military colony where resources could be dropped and could be garrisoned. This is also a great way of showcasing the Celtiberian architecture in a single structure in the game. @Genava55 @feneur @Itms @LordGood @stanislas69 @Alexandermb I am not against this idea. Even with this, if we do a separate faction later for the Celtiberians and the others celtic and indo-european cultures of the peninsula having a celtiberian structure for the Iberian is not a problem. The Celtiberians could be the cement between two factions. You can check on the webpage of Numentia for a good overview of Celtiberian architecture (in the first page of this thread). By the way, the Celtiberians are not the only ones that could be included in the roster. Vascones and Aquitanians are good candidates as well and they share a similar language. For example the famous Solduros of the Sotiates (Gauls) are commonly accepted as being a Gallic tradition since there are roman accounts relating this word to the Gauls. But there are also good hints suggesting an aquitanian loanwords => Zordu- in Basque is pronounced Sordu- and Soldu- in other regional dialects and this word means "indebted". Or it could be Salduria from Saldi "the horse", meaning a horsemen class. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 No strong feelings for or against this idea. Waiting to see the art being done though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, stanislas69 said: No strong feelings for or against this idea. Waiting to see the art being done though. Anyway, the architecture from the Celtiberian at Numentia is kinda similar to some finds in Aquitaine and Southern France. We can decide later the use. @wackyserious Here a sketch of small Celtiberian hillfort 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGood Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 The Numentia reconstructions are the basis for much of the current Iberian faction's thatched buildings, It's nice that a new building would fit in, but what new elements would be added? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 14 minutes ago, LordGood said: The Numentia reconstructions are the basis for much of the current Iberian faction's thatched buildings, It's nice that a new building would fit in, but what new elements would be added? It is a good point. There is no historical problem with the architecture of thatched buildings since it could been used elsewhere by the Iberians. But it is true that for the Celtiberians from Numancia, the difference will be not significative in the architecture since it is already used by the Iberians in game. All this talk and successive proposals seems to emerge from an observation; the current state of the Iberian factions is based on a non-indo-european culture while the others indo-european cultures on the peninsula are not really included in the game while they are very significative in the history of Rome (Three Celtiberians Wars against Rome, two Lusitanians Wars against Rome and some rebellion during the Sertorian War). Somehow the few Celtiberian elements are used opportunistically for the Iberians like two of the current heroes are Celtiberian and Lusitanian and not Iberians. While the others elements from these cultures are not included at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 If it is more distinctive, a more circular structure for a Celtiberian hillfort with Las Eretas. A circular structure and enclose/enfold with a continuum of houses: Spoiler 5th century BC: 2nd century BC: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 So something like that but miniaturized to be used as a mercenary camp ? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 Iberian Elite Skirmisher @Genava55 Opinions on their equipment and the use of colors Notice the green tunic and green pteruges for the player 1 (blue) and orange counterpart for player 2 (red) This was an experiment, I increased the yellow color in the transparency to modify the colors it will produce. I am planning to use this technique in my future textures. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alexandermb Posted April 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 3 hours ago, wackyserious said: Iberian Elite Skirmisher @Genava55 Opinions on their equipment and the use of colors Notice the green tunic and green pteruges for the player 1 (blue) and orange counterpart for player 2 (red) This was an experiment, I increased the yellow color in the transparency to modify the colors it will produce. I am planning to use this technique in my future textures. 0.A.D Forgotten Factions, i'm glad outdated unit textures are getting improvements . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 On 12/31/2018 at 7:54 AM, Genava55 said: If it is more distinctive, a more circular structure for a Celtiberian hillfort with Las Eretas. A circular structure and enclose/enfold with a continuum of houses: Hide contents 5th century BC: 2nd century BC: As an aside, I think it would be super sweet if Iberian houses would "snap" to walls when being placed and look like this. Standalone houses would look like they do now, but if you "snap" them to walls they'd line up into row houses. Ima dreamer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, wackyserious said: Opinions on their equipment and the use of colors I think the cardiophylax is used before the chain mail become common in the peninsula (EDIT maybe contradicted by the finding below thus your choice is still possible): https://journals.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/index.php/jahrb-rgzm/article/download/15319/9194/0 Although, I am not fluent in Spanish, thus I struggle to read it quickly. I see maybe a possible case, similar to some finds among the Gauls, with metallic plaques mixed with chain mail: http://ceres.mcu.es/pages/Main?idt=84147&inventary=1952%2F10%2F579&table=FMUS&museum=MAN&fbclid=IwAR1q1ah0rVBqpm6rOpTAJk15_pv2JI-z3Z076wHAkflNlcmSwkifS37wnQ0 @soloooy0 @Trinketos @Gallaecio @Alexandermb is there someone speaking spanish that can also handle the reading of some academics material on the forum? @av93 maybe? Sources in Spanish: https://www.academia.edu/4182682/_En_los_orígenes_la_metalistería_prerromana_Sautuola_Revista_del_Instituto_de_Prehistoria_y_Arqueología_Sautuola_ISSN_1133-2166_No_13_2007_págs._59-78?fbclid=IwAR3DZX24buTObAFIs0v60kOEimMh3GkPTLmLt5AkIPECuBe8mbXTvhdwpHc http://www.man.es/man/dms/man/estudio/publicaciones/boletin-man/MAN-Bol-1998/MAN-Bol-1998-Barril-Vicente.pdf https://docplayer.es/50850604-La-panoplia-guerrera-de-la-necropolis-de-villanueva-de-teba-burgos.html http://gladius.revistas.csic.es/index.php/gladius/article/download/44/45 https://www.academia.edu/30577570/La_guerra_y_el_armamento_celtibérico_estado_actual Edited April 10, 2019 by Genava55 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 Reused and enhanced some parts of the old texture from source and came up with this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) Quote Bronze Chainmail /cota of the Celtiberian necropolis of Cerro Monóbar, Almaluez (Soria, Castilla y León, Spain), V BC. Bronze pectoral/chainmail from the Celtiberian necropolis at Cerro Monóbar, Almaluez, Soria, Castile and León, Spain, 5th century BC "(...) the pectorals of mail, rectangles of different size composed by small rings of bronze crimped. They can have hooks at the ends to be attached to a fabric, at different heights, and to protect. These pectorals are documented, for the moment, only in a few necropolis with an ancient Celtiberian phase, perhaps due to their structural weakness, such as Almaluez (Soria), Clares or Sigüenza (Guadalajara) (BARRIL, MANSO and SALVE, 1993).(...)": "In the origins: the pre-Roman metalwork", Magdalena Barril Vicente, National Archaeological Museum: http://w Quote National Archaeological Museum Inventory 1952/10/579 Classification Generic Apparel; Metals Object/Document Mesh Components Fragment (28) Material/Bronze Support Dimensions Height = 18 cm; Length = 26 cm Ring 1: Width = 0.13 cm; Diameter = 0.45 cm Ring 2: Length = 0.37 cm; Width = 0.12 cm Description Fragments of mesh made up of small interlaced rings. Each group consists of a central circular ring and four lateral oval rings joined together. It occupies an approximate surface of 375 square cms. It has four small plates at the ends, only one complete, which have on the external sides a thick perforation for hooks, and on the internal sides small perforations that conserve the remains of the rings of the mesh, we can perceive a line of embossed dots, parallel to the edges. A head hook coiled in a spiral that was attached to the plate is preserved, as well as a sharp and U-folded estremo on the opposite side and part of another hook. Cultural Context/Celtiberian Culture Style Place of Origin Necropolis of Cerro Monóbar, Almaluez (Campo de Gómara (region), Soria) Specific Place/Yield Necropolis of Cerro Monóbar The most complete plate has the hook stuck directly into the second hole, somewhat broken. After restoration in 2013 the hook is out. Photograph nº 3487 (a better state of conservation is appreciated than the current one). Catalogue Protohistory and Colonizations Edited April 11, 2019 by Lion.Kanzen 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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