Lion.Kanzen Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 I as say @wowgetoffyourcellphone An early or rural version of Greeks, very similar to AoM in early texture game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 The texture I posted before not good enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 16 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: The texture I posted before not good enough? Ah right forgot ^^ Thanks for the reminder. I need to make the bump map for it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) This youtube channel is about some 3d reconstructions of Sarmizegetusa https://www.youtube.com/user/m1ha1r0/videos?shelf_id=0&view=0&sort=dd More 3d stuff about sarmizegetusa http://www.romaniadevis.ro/dacia/zona-geto-daca/reconstituiri-3d/item/marele-templu-rotund-de-la-sarmizegetusa-regia And Murus Dacius http://www.romaniadevis.ro/dacia/zona-geto-daca/reconstituiri-3d/item/murus-dacicus-zid-dacic Remember that neither Dacians nor Thracians were highly urbanised societies. The mass of people lived in smaller country-side villages and towns, probably more resembling rural Celtic society, than Greece or Rome. The capital cities of Seuthopolis and Sarmizegetusa probably reflect the height of Mediterranean influence in their culture. Edited July 11, 2017 by Sundiata 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Some Thracian and their neighbors Dacian architecture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Some are Greek rural. Other are Thracian tombs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
av93 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 The round houses uses roof tiles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 4 hours ago, av93 said: The round houses uses roof tiles? That's the question. I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 I think the Greek looking, rectangular public structures from Seuthopolis, yes, and round rural buildings perhaps, but only wooden shingles, I think. Thatch would be more common in rural setting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 @Pureon @LordGood 7 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 I found a thesis. P Quote Thrace in its earliest form was a concept imposed on a group of tribes by other cultures with very little concern for accuracy; in these cases a Thracian might be interchangeable with a German or any other barbarian, becoming merely a subset of the Greek and Roman cultures’ larger concept of “the other.” When Thracians were given a separate identity by Greeks and Romans, there is still no agreement on what qualified as Thracian. For example, Herodotus defines the Thracians culturally, saying that they were regional tribes of a great number with no political cohesion but cultural ties distinct enough to separate them, at least in his mind, from the nearby Getae and Trausi peoples (Hdt. 5.3) Strabo, in Geography, describes them as an amalgamation of seven tribes; he excludes several tribes that the Greeks had previously identified as Thracian but gives no basis for his categorization (7.3.2). Jones states that the Thracian identity was “merely an ethnological expression.”1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Quote Seuthes III, the king of the Odrysian tribe that controlled Thrace during the early Hellenistic period. The city was located at the foot of the Sredna Gora Mountains at the western extent of the valley and is currently covered by the waters of the Koprinka reservoir. Rescue excavations carried out by archaeologist D. Dimitrov furnished ample evidence of an advanced Hellenistic city distinctly influenced by Greek language and architecture.14 The city was laid out on a Hippodamian grid with highly developed public economic, religious, and royal spaces in addition to numerous private homes. Despite the city’s advanced development, however, the fortification walls only surrounded an area of approximately five hectares.15 This space could not have housed the mass of people that a capital city would have attracted and produced over the course of nearly two centuries; outlying rural and suburban areas likely held a significant portion of the region’s inhabitants. In addition, the remains of a previous city in the same location suggest that rural or suburban settlements would have already been established in the valley by the city’s construction at the end of the 4th century BC.16 Therefore, although private houses and their decoration are preserved within the city itself, it is difficult to associate definitively the residents of these houses with the residents of the Kazanlak Valley tombs. It is possible that the wealthy Thracians who commissioned and were buried in these tombs lived outside the small city, in towns or estates that do not survive. The tombs, therefore, stand in their own right as important cultural markers and indicators of Odrysian architecture and architectural decoration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Quote The second type of decoration is freestanding, carved separately and inserted into the tomb rather than developed from its structure. Painted plaster is used to decorate both the stone and brick tombs. The paint found in these tombs is created from natural pigments that produce saturated colors capable of achieving complete opacity. The color palette is dominated by red, white, black, and yellow but blues and greens are also found as accent colors in painted friezes and on moldings. The full range of reds, yellows, oranges, and browns could be achieved through the manipulation of ochres containing iron and manganese oxides.52 These pigments could produce colors ranging from a mustardy yellow to the bright, powerful “Pompeian” red that seems particularly beloved by the Kazanlak tomb painters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) The “Temple of Immortals” in Starossel reveals new secrets The most imposing underground Thracian temple in Southeastern Europe is situated near the Bulgarian resort town of Hisarya. It was discovered 10 years ago by the renowned Bulgarian archaeologist Georgi Kitov. The temple includes a rock fence, big staircase and an internal hall with dome roof. In 2008 and 2009, a team led by doctor Ivan Hristov, made further discoveries and samples from the fireplace in the heart of the temple were used to find out the age of the complex. The temple was built in honor of the Hestia goddess and the ancient people left for her huge stone loafs of bread. The samples from the fireplace were analyzed in Germany. “The analysis shows the temple was built somewhere around 358-350 BC,” doctor Ivan Hristov says. Historical data point to the period of rule of Philip II of Macedon. At that time the Thracian king Amatok II was the ruler of the Thracian Odrisi tribe, followed by his son Teres II. Teres was overthrown by Philip. So, the construction of the temple started during the rule of these two Thracian kings. We don’t focus our efforts only on the temple. Starosel is actually a cult center, which includes a number of monuments dating back to the 4th century BC. These monuments are related to each other. In 2005 near the Kozi Gramadi peak in the Sredna Gora Mountain I found a king’s residence. It was destroyed during the campaign of Philip but its existence points to the existence of a Thracian political center in the region. This is also shown by the recent archaeological works in the region, which is very attractive to archaeologists. This year we are to start working again at the Kozi Gramadi archaeological site. This way we will be able to draw a connection between the temple in Starosel and the monuments high in the mountains.” The temple near Starosel was called “Temple of the Immortals.” Doctor Ivan Hristov told us more. The “Temple of Immortals” in Starossel reveals new secrets The most imposing underground Thracian temple in Southeastern Europe is situated near the Bulgarian resort town of Hisarya. It was discovered 10 years ago by the renowned Bulgarian archaeologist Georgi Kitov. The temple includes a rock fence, big staircase and an internal hall with dome roof. In 2008 and 2009, a team led by doctor Ivan Hristov, made further discoveries and samples from the fireplace in the heart of the temple were used to find out the age of the complex. The temple was built in honor of the Hestia goddess and the ancient people left for her huge stone loafs of bread. The samples from the fireplace were analyzed in Germany. “The analysis shows the temple was built somewhere around 358-350 BC,” doctor Ivan Hristov says. Historical data point to the period of rule of Philip II of Macedon. At that time the Thracian king Amatok II was the ruler of the Thracian Odrisi tribe, followed by his son Teres II. Teres was overthrown by Philip. So, the construction of the temple started during the rule of these two Thracian kings. We don’t focus our efforts only on the temple. Starosel is actually a cult center, which includes a number of monuments dating back to the 4th century BC. These monuments are related to each other. In 2005 near the Kozi Gramadi peak in the Sredna Gora Mountain I found a king’s residence. It was destroyed during the campaign of Philip but its existence points to the existence of a Thracian political center in the region. This is also shown by the recent archaeological works in the region, which is very attractive to archaeologists. This year we are to start working again at the Kozi Gramadi archaeological site. This way we will be able to draw a connection between the temple in Starosel and the monuments high in the mountains.” The temple near Starosel was called “Temple of the Immortals.” Doctor Ivan Hristov told us more. “In this temple rituals related to the ruler’s immortalisation were carried out. After his death a Thracian ruler became kind of semi-god. The burials happened in another place in sarcophagus-like tombs. Doctor Georgi Kitov discovered such a tomb near the temple. I can draw a comparison to the cathedrals of the French kings where they were laid temporarily after their death and then buried nearby. The temple near Starosel had various functions and was used by the Odrisi dynasty in the 4th century BC.” According to the archaeologist, the temples in the region were connected through a route similar to the sacred road to Delphi. “Sacred places were not isolated from each other,” the archaeologist says. “Complexes were built near them for the needs of the pilgrims. That is how a whole sacred region emerged. The number of religious monuments in the region of Starosel is very big. What archaeologists find are artifacts related to the Thracian beliefs for life after death. We are still to gain more knowledge about the sacred route that reached to the king’s residence near the peak in Sredna Gora Mountain,” doctor Ivan Hristov says. Edited August 30, 2017 by Lion.Kanzen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Some articles about trade, military facts... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 This guy actually used 0AD music, as the soundtrack for his airial shots of the ruins of Kabyle, one of Thrace's most important cities. Although I don't know what time-period these ruins date from. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) Don't know if these have been shared before, a collection of Thracian units: Spoiler Edited October 16, 2017 by Sundiata 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 So... lets do it. What is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) Thracians: Random image references (architecture and units) @stanislas69 A small reference update. Thracian units will be very easy to do, with the exception of siege equipment and navy (which seems to be more obscure). Architecture, as you've noticed will be more challenging, but I think you already have a good handle on it ("Greco-Barbarian"). I elect the palace at Seuthopolis as the Thracian CC, and should be the most Hellenic looking structure (although using those wooden shingles would tie it in well with the rest of the architecture set). I shared this one before (Seuthopolis): Detail of the palace I elect for CC. I'd suggest discarding those defensive walls (part of the city walls), and using a long Greek Stoa as an approximate reference for the main building. The colonnaded courtyard is just perfect. Spoiler Something like the 2 story Athenian Stoa of Attolos (but with wooden shingles), with a single story colonnaded rectangular courtyard in front of it. Perhaps the second story of the Thracian CC could be supported by wooden instead of stone columns. The lower story should definitely be stone Tomb entrance, shared by lion in a previous post: Interior plan of the tomb Starosel, a Thracian temple/tomb complex, built inside a tumulus: A fortified hill top royal residence called Kozi Gramadi: Thracian village life: Units: They had chariots! The restored decoration on the chariot actually gives some clues to (elite) architecture: Art.. Good quality representations in my opinion (based on actual finds of weapons and equipment): (This guy's rhomphaia looks a little weird, but the rest is on point) And some Thracian gold: The Panagyurishte Treasure (These guys have some full on Iranian influence...) I'm just absolutely in love with the fact that Thracians had art representing Sub-Saharan Africans (probably Kushites). To make it even more awesome, Kushites had Greek (Attic) pottery depicting Thracians in great detail. Even more amazing, there is Greek art depicting "Aethiopians" carrying those typically Thracian peltast shields (pelte). Almost incredible, or fantastical, one might say, but Kushites actually travelled through Thracian territory as mercenaries in Xerxes army during his invasion of Greece. How cool is that?! Antiquity is so interesting... more gold... If anyone in this forum speaks Russian or Bulgarian, they could be of great help in the research. Most of the juicy stuff seems to be in those languages... Here are some good sources. I honestly didn't read through all of it, but its definitely worth a look for anyone looking for a little more in depth info on the Thracians: https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/history/military_history/Osprey - MAA 360 - The Thracians 700 BC - AD 46.pdf https://www.metmuseum.org/pubs/bulletins/1/pdf/3258668.pdf.bannered.pdf http://www.archaeology.ru/Download/Niculice/Niculice_1987_Severnye.pdf https://guidesbg.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/A_Guide_to_Thracian_Bulgaria.pdf https://www.iianthropology.org/ChristopherWebber.pdf Edited May 23, 2018 by Sundiata 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Thracian Reference Update @stanislas69, @wackyserious, @Alexandermb, @LordGood perhaps when you "finish" with Terra Magna and Millennium AD, the Thracians could be the next big development? Their units are easy and diverse in terms of references. Just nothing on siege...Some of the Greek cities on the black sea coast were vassals to the Odrysian kingdom at times, and might provide some navy (?)... Buildings are a bit tricky, but I think we (and by "we" I mean Stanislass) are pretty close. For the wonder, I'd suggest the cult complex at Sarasol under Chetinyova Mogila, a round mound encased with a low wall of cut stone and features a monumental entrance and staircase (the largest complex of its kind in Thrace). @wowgetoffyourcellphone, @Lion.Kanzen, @Nescio, @Hannibal_Barca perhaps you guys could help with composing a balanced historical unit roster? We'd probably need Greek names, as Thracian is not well known... Any other input/comments/remarks so far? I'm not as familiar with Thracians as with others and could use some more insight (especially visual references of architecture). Lots of different stuff, mostly units: Spoiler Some ideas on a marketplace and trader, something very simple.Though, apparently Seuthopolis had an Agora with a statue in the middle (only the statue base was found). Elite life: Thracian women: Royal lady (actual reconstruction of Thracian jewelry). She Pretty... King Cotys I of Odrysiae, a good choice for Hero. He fought against the Athenians with relative success, until he was murdered by 2 of Plato's students during a feast in his palace... (I never really liked Plato...) Seuthes III, another good candidate for Hero. He led valiant revolts against the Macedonians, and founded Seuthopolis. Dat Beard... These guys had exquisite taste. Their weapons and armor are almost like a fantastical version of Greek equipment. The more I look at them, the more I fall in love with their style... Thracians used a ton of Hellenic and Hellenistic helmets, including Chalcidian, Corinthian, Attic and Boeotian types, alongside more "indigenous" types and re-imagniations. These examples are all from Thrace: The Rhomphaia ain't nothing to mess with! It's almost like an inverted European version of the Samurai! Elite weaponry: Other equipment Thracian gold and silver plaques depicting riders in full scale armor and/or mail: In Battle! (vs Romans?) A lot more stuff: Thracian vs Macedonian: That archer is so dead... Reconstruction from paintings in a Thracian tomb Thracians in Ptolemaic Egyptian service: By the way, what's up with the first 6 posts in this thread? They seem totally unrelated to the actual title of this thread... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nescio Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Sundiata said: @wowgetoffyourcellphone, @Lion.Kanzen, @Nescio, @Hannibal_Barca perhaps you guys could help with composing a balanced historical unit roster? We'd probably need Greek names, as Thracian is not well known... Any other input/comments/remarks so far? I'm not as familiar with Thracians as with others and could use some more insight (especially visual references of architecture). Thrace is not really my cup of tea, so I'm not sure of how much help I can be. However, let's give it a try The Odrysian kingdom, which was a union of dozens of tribes and minor kingdoms, covers Thrace in 0 A.D.'s timeframe. Getting units is relatively easy; some Thracians are already in game as part of other civilizations. Creating appropiate structures would be more difficult; wood was a primary building material, so I doubt anything is still standing today. Anyway, about the unit rosters. Thracians - and Dacians - were famed and feared for their use of one-handed sickle-swords and two-handed scythe-swords (both called falx) and slightly curved sword-spears (the romphaia). A short, forward pointing sickle-dagger-sword (the sica), also used by Illyrians and Romans, was their favourite side-arm and "national weapon". (Giving separate names for similar weapons is a modern convention; sica-falx-romphaia probably formed a continuum.) However, Thracians often prefered using javelins, spears, and bow-and-arrows to close combat. Thracians frequently adopted Greek-style helmets (but not Illyrian helmets, interestingly) and armour, sometimes after the Greeks switched to other types. On the other hand, Thracians were also notably influenced by their Scythian neighbours. Here's a first proposal for a Thracian unit roster: Village phase: woman fishing boat two-handed falxman (no shield) javelin infantry (pelte shield; see Macedonian) javelin cavalry (pelte shield; see Macedonian) Town phase: healer trader merchant ship pentekonter battering ram rhomphaia infantry (already in game as mercenary for various factions) sword infantry (single-handed falx, pelte shield) spear infantry (pelte shield) archer infantry (no shield) sword cavalry (single-handed falx, pelte shield) spear cavalry (short spear, pelte shield) archer cavalry (no shield) City phase: trireme Greek-style hoplite infantry champion? (royal mercenary guard) Scythian-style spear cavalry champion? (royal/noble cavalry; cataphract, with scale armour? and small but heavy round shield with bronze rim) Heroes: Teres I (unified Thrace after the Persians were defeated in Greece) Sitalces (his son; allied with the Athenians, invaded Macedon; greatest extent) Cotys I (gradually conquered the Thracian Chersonesos from Athens) Ranks: basic: partially naked chest?, animal skin cap? advanced: fully clothed, leather helmet elite: leather armour, bronze helmet champion: bronze breastplate Edited May 26, 2018 by Nescio b/a/e/c/h 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 It was me using my merge power a while back I wanted to have as much possiblr material in the same thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal_Barca Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 I'm a bit busy in current and coming days so I don't expect I'll look into this The key to a civilization is uniqueness and aesthetics Unique techs and units would be needed, with exotic-looking structures to top But as I said, I don't have time for this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 I could release what I have so far and let people contribute to it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandermb Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 7 hours ago, Sundiata said: Thracian Reference Update @stanislas69, @wackyserious, @Alexandermb, @LordGood perhaps when you "finish" with Terra Magna and Millennium AD, the Thracians could be the next big development? For me the finishing date was this weak, later updates or changes will have to wait for alpha 24 only 2D and Template changes are missing IIRC so, should i make a base for the shield textures for someone hand paint the patterns with textures like the millenium ad shields? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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