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Nice idea. It comes from the greek word xylon that means wood, so both could be perfect candidate for a release specifically about the flora. I don't know how much the changes are important. Are the new voices really something the players will notice? Yes, good idea. If the release is about the Celtic factions, this is perfect. We could even include Xulsigiae figures in the game (shrine).

Proto-Germans designate the linguistic group of the Proto-Germanic languages. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_parent_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Germanic_language

Is there any evidence for this? I don't think Tacitus said anything about bows and I know only one find in Vaedebro. It is a common thing in videogames but I don't know from where it comes.

@av93 Ok I have consider a bit about it and maybe we can call them "Early Germans" (Proto-Germans is a bit ugly) and we can use my idea about the Marcomanni as a confederation and alliance of different tribes. This factions should represents the "Germans" from the Pre-Roman Era and the beginning of the Roman Era, up to the Marcomannic wars. However, what this faction will bring as new mechanics ? Maybe I have an idea. What about a customizable roster for the player through tribes choices in his confederation/alliance? For example each tribe could brings three units and the player can choose three tribes from a list. Each tribe having some generic units in common and some unique units. For example the Cherusci have cheap pikemen (yes, there are sources about it), the Cimbri have a chainmail swordsman champion, the Tencteri have a champion cavalry unit, the Lugii have a Celtic like unit, the Suebi have a spearman and strong javelinists etc. etc. I like the idea of customizable roster, it reminds me of AoM. This only an idea I throw here. What do you think about it?

For the moment this is not in the plan but in the future or in mods? I wonder if a confederate faction like the Marcomanni with regional units could be better to represents all the diversity of the early germanic speaking populations. @wowgetoffyourcellphone what was your plan about the Batavi, Goths etc ? Different factions?

I am not at home yet. For the moment: Borremose "fortress" Iron age Jutland village Celtic weapons: Bones weapons: Wooden weapons: One-edged swords: Celtic like spearheads: Battle-scene:

Maybe it is a bit too much generic and will cause collusion with future germanic factions. Pre-Roman Cimbri are different from the future Germans. How to represent a huge cultural diversities and a long evolution through centuries under an unique umbrella-term? This is like saying "Celts" for Hallstatt, La Tène, British Iron Age and North-western Spanish Iron Age populations. This is right from a linguistic perspective but wrong from an ethnic and cultural perspective. It will mandatory ends with multiple different factions. So Cimbri, Marcomanni, Goth, Saxons, Franks etc. are better in my opinion. @Lion.Kanzen Be careful with the migration of the Cimbri. They were a bunch of tribes joining them during their travel. Especially Celts and Rhaetians. But look to their pathway and to which cultures they have meet. They clearly also meet populations from Oksywie culture (Oxhöft-Kultur) and Przeworsk culture. The latter could explains why there was Celtic speaking people among them since the beginning. Moreover, there are archeological findings suggesting links and exchange between the Denmark and Poland. Edit: finally, using the name "German" ends as a thrash-bin were we can throw everything labeled "germanic" in it. Which is definitely wrong.

This is hard to give them an unique ethnic group. "German" is a foreign construct pushed forward by the Romans. They were culturally not homogeneous before the Roman Era and they undergone a long evolution from this point. Przeworsk culture is very close to the Celts and the La Tène culture before the 1st century BC. Jastorf culture is very poor and unknown from a militaristic aspect before the 1st century AD. The Niederrhein region is culturally ambiguous, closer to the Celts before the 1st century BC but changing quickly during the Roman Era. The better known place before the Roman Era from a military perspective is Denmark, outside the Jastorf extent. Thus the best candidate for a Pre-Roman Germanic faction is the Cimbri/Teutones. For a good representation of the Germans during the 1st century BC to the 2nd century AD should be the Marcomanni, it would permits a huge diversities of regional variations. But later Germans are also diverse, Goths, Saxons and Franks notably. I still need some time to read the documents about the Thracians. I think they should be a more unique faction (rarely represented in the videogames): https://www.docdroid.net/qpO72Yg/thracian-combined.pdf

Maybe too much muscular. And the ends for the neck and the arms are maybe too wide (too big lines). https://tiflos.artstation.com/projects/KDoJG?album_id=1406039 By the way, if this is not already used: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ksour_Essef_cuirass https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/MAGAZINE-diving-archaeologists-find-lion-helmet-from-punic-wars-1.5626649

I edited the message and finished the Britons.

It is more about misplaced regionalism than difficulties in the localisation. Officially, it is Alise sainte reine.

Gauls: (I took the list of Sundiata and put their gallic names) Britons :

Tadaaaaam Thracian terracotta relief, Apollonia Pontica, 500BC (according to image description).

Aspis I am not sure. But Diphylon shield yes: https://www.pinterest.ch/pin/439663982359344102/ However, it is a bit different from an aspis.

Yes. Thankfully half hour after my message the fire was decreasing and the firefighters were more optimistic. This is bad enough and I am glad they saved the rest.

Still ablaze yes, the complete destruction of the North towers (Beffroi) is still possible. Sadly.

For weaponry references:

@Sundiata You can maybe share something about it no?

http://kingsandgenerals.libsyn.com/6-celts-before-caesar A good podcast released by Kings and Generals channel. The quality in term of accuracy is above the videos, although it doesn't really discuss the military aspect. For a few corrections, between 8:00 and 9:00. the speaker should have more emphasized the role of the Etruscans in the contact between Northern regions and Mediterranean civilizations. At 11:40, the speaker pronounced "La Tène" as Latèné pronouncing the last e as an English speaking person will pronounce the letter e when he recite the alphabet. Actually, in French we pronounced the letter e more like an English person says uh/euh, and at the end of a word this sound is very little pronounced. Here an example of pronunciation at 1:45. This is a small and not important error but I took the opportunity to correct this common issue. Between 16:30 and 17:00, the speaker highlights the issue of the origins of the Celtic culture (especially Celtic language). It is true that the Hallstatt narrative as a sole explanation for the Celtic expansion is dull and mostly abandoned by modern scholars. But he mentioned the idea of a western origin as a valid theory. However, the hypothesis pushed by Cunliffe and Koch that the Celtic languages comes from the West is mostly based on the idea that indo-european languages doesn't come from Steppic expansion (Kurgan hypothesis) but from Eastern neolithic (for Cunliffe's stand) or that Celtic languages do not come from the same indo-european migration (steppic) but from a later Anatolian migration of culture already bearing an indo-european culture (for Koch's stand). Honestly, this is only misplaced nationalism among two old scholars and there is really nobody following their view. They only got mediatized outside the academic world, this is why people thinks this is a valid theory among scholars. This is not the case. Archaeogenetics shattered their hypothesis about indo-europeans. At 26:16, the speaker says the Celts didn't build roads. This is not true, the first Roman roads got built upon previous roads: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1366468/Roman-road-doubt-discovery-cobbled-built-100-years-invasion.html https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/mar/15/britannia-roman-roads-iron-age https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/halshs-00639254/document https://www.persee.fr/doc/efr_0000-0000_1989_ant_116_1_3707#efr_0000-0000_1989_ant_116_1_T1_0741_0000 Finally at 26:55, the speaker says the Romans had the advantage of a industrial production of weapons for their soldiers. While the Gauls not. This is true however the latter claim that the chain mail is only for the ruling elite is a bit disputed by late La Tène findings. Especially one I worked on it as a technician. It was a deposit of artisanal waste with a large chain mails piece, mixed with broken objects, unfinished products and productions failures. It doesn't suit the idea of a high valuable object. The chain mail is probably not widespread in the whole warrior class but assuming it is only for high-members of the La Tène society is maybe too extreme. At the end of the La Tène culture, iron production is starting to be very important and close to what is seen in the Mediterranean world. Rome's productivity is exceptional in comparison of Greek cities and I think it is a bad idea to compare everything with Rome.

Screenshots:

https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Noshei-Khereb_Lubiyim_(Libyan_Swordsmen) https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Dorekim_Lubiyim_Meshurianim_(Late_Libyan_Infantry) https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Mashlihei-Hanitim_Lubiyim_(Libyan_Skirmishers) https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Dorekim_Bashetulim_(Carthaginian_Settler_Infantry) https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/HaParasim_HaB'hurim_(Carthaginian_Elite_Cavalry) https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Dorkim_Garamantim_(Garamantine_Infantry)#EB2 https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Dorkim_Libi-Ponnim_(Liby-Phoenician_Infantry)#EB2 https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Dorkim_Maurim_(Maure_Infantry)#EB2 https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Mitnag'him_Numidim_(Numidian_Skirmishers)#EB2 https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Gldgmtk_(Numidian_Nobles)#EB2 Album of screenshots, Numidian and Carthaginian roster in the second half: https://imgur.com/a/18bCK Probable depiction of Lybian skirmishers (look similar to the Mashlihei Hanitim Lubiyim of EB2):

It depends. If it is like the Catalan guy that said the Iberian faction should use catalan language because they share the same region, I think you we can sabotate their offer without any remorse.

Thx for pointing out the issues.

@stanislas69 Maybe we should move the discussion about the references here https://wildfiregames.com/forum/index.php?/topic/25190-iberian-references/&tab=comments#comment-366695 and keeping this thread for @wackyserious 's work.

Oh sh*t I am sorry you got this. I know some persons with irritable bowel syndromes and indeed, stress management helps them to reduce the symptoms. If I can suggest you one thing, drawing is a good hobby and stress reliever, I used this when I got a depression. Simply drawing patterns, animals or trees, it helps you focusing your mind on something not stressful. Thanks mate. It is interesting the development and the evolution of the Celtiberian society. It seems the historians really divide the Celtiberian Iron age in different stage according to their warfare characteristics (Stage I = Ancient pre-5th century BC with light equipment ; Stage II = Aristocratic equipment and full panoply with the classical disc cuirass, helmet, daggers, round shields and swords 5th to 3rd century BC ; Stage III = More Mediterranean influence, Roman equipment notably, montefortino helmet. More Celtic equipment. ) This in interesting because the Iberians didn't have the same division. Aristocratic panoply are more common before the 4th century BC. Documents analyzing iberian panoplies: https://www.academia.edu/1473558/Military_developments_in_the_Late_Iberian_culture_c._237-c._195_BC_Mediterranean_influences_in_the_Far_West_via_the_Carthaginian_military_in_English_. https://www.academia.edu/29055748/_La_guerra_y_el_armamento_ibérico_estado_actual_F._Quesada_Sanz_2016_In_R._Graells_D._Marzoli_eds._Armas_de_la_Hispania_prerromana.RGZM_Tagungen_Band_24_Mainz_2016_pp._165-192 @Lion.Kanzen If I can suggest you a useful tool as well: http://removelinebreaks.net/ Very useful when you copy past text from pdf files. No need to translate everything. It is only to browse through the documents, highlighting the important points and the details that could be interesting about the equipment. I understand a bit Spanish (this is a latin language sooo...) but it took me far more time to only browse the documents and often I missed some points.