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I too believe having an open source alternative to discord would be greatly beneficial (I for one don't have any will to join discord). What about matrix https://matrix.org/?  it is a mature protocol with good clients, including web.

Regarding the AGPL, I understand there is a continuous debate between the permissive and copyleft licenses camps, but I don't see how that would impact we using something under the AGPL, as long as you don't modify the code or distribute it you don't need to AGPL anything, and isn't 0ad engine GPL (great choice imo)?

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2 hours ago, Aoidos said:

I too believe having an open source alternative to discord would be greatly beneficial (I for one don't have any will to join discord). What about matrix https://matrix.org/?  it is a mature protocol with good clients, including web.

Regarding the AGPL, I understand there is a continuous debate between the permissive and copyleft licenses camps, but I don't see how that would impact we using something under the AGPL, as long as you don't modify the code or distribute it you don't need to AGPL anything, and isn't 0ad engine GPL (great choice imo)?

Technically we don't have a Discord.  We have many but no official ones.  Experience shows that most of our players don't seem to want to use anything else. I mean the lobby is XMPP we could use that too. 

Technically if you follow the license by the letter using windows is a breach of the license, because I don't have the source ^^ But yeah in most cases one should be fine.

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7 minutes ago, Iltis2017 said:

I think if you put an official 0ad server on another network than discord many players will follow especially if its looks like discord. Open source must support open source by using it in my opinion.

Well we have IRC :P That does not work. The problem is everyone has all their friends on Discord :/

@Dakara, @Exodarion, @psypherium, @superflytom, @The Undying Nephalim, @Sevda and all other would you switch to another platform if we made an official Revolt server?

 

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I agree with Iltis2017 that open source should support open source, and 0ad is already amazing in which it has both code and art assets free and is one of the biggest free software game projects out there. Drew Devault has an interesting article on why free software should not rely on proprietary infrastructure https://drewdevault.com/2022/03/29/free-software-free-infrastructure.html the most critical point in my opinion is when he writes that by using proprietary services you lend some of the credibility of the project to these services. Anyway, I know Discord server is not official I'm not saying 0ad is endorsing anything, I just think this is an interesting and healthy discussion.

42 minutes ago, Stan` said:

Well we have IRC :P That does not work. The problem is everyone has all their friends on Discord :/

@Dakara, @Exodarion, @psypherium, @superflytom, @The Undying Nephalim, @Sevda and all other would you switch to another platform if we made an official Revolt server?

I didn't know you had IRC, that makes me very happy! Guess I'll pop up there some other time. I suggested matrix, instead of IRC, because I know what a hard pill to swallow IRC is for most people (although I don't get how things like Slack take off, it is basically a glorified IRC that hogs all your memory).

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3 hours ago, Stan` said:

Well we have IRC :P That does not work. The problem is everyone has all their friends on Discord :/

@Dakara, @Exodarion, @psypherium, @superflytom, @The Undying Nephalim, @Sevda and all other would you switch to another platform if we made an official Revolt server?

 

Despite not beeing mentioned here, i would use an official 0 AD server on such a platform :D . Right now some people use a program called mumble for voice chat. It is open source also as far as i know. There is no 0 AD server though, so we use random servers created by others.

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14 hours ago, MarcusAureliu#s said:

Despite not beeing mentioned here, i would use an official 0 AD server on such a platform :D . Right now some people use a program called mumble for voice chat. It is open source also as far as i know. There is no 0 AD server though, so we use random servers created by others.

I usually play 0ad with my siblings every weekend and we have been using mumble all this time, it really works great, and yes it is free software.

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On 23/06/2022 at 7:28 PM, Stan` said:

IRC

IRC is probably great. i not a pro with it. in comparison with for example matrix, IRC look for me much more specialized, in other words less less features compared to matric. right? i recognized that there so many clients and seems that fluffy (matrix client) seems for example nice for beginners. what you think? thanks for this https://github.com/revoltchat  d i don't know it. not really tested. i not really could say something about it. looks good (website GitHub ... ).

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My experience is this.

IRC okay for devs, especially people used to opensource, storing logs is a must. Bad for non technical people or impatient ones. Terrible for arguments or long conversations.

Xmpp a bit more user friendly than IRC, but still requires some technical stuff has native support for logs.

Matrix haven't used much seems to be like Xmpp but with better marketing.

Rocket.chat basically a cheap ( but more expensive version of discord)

Discord. De facto standard for games, grinds the gears of all the people who are in really into FOSS because proprietary.

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We at the vegastrike project use gitter which you can bridge to IRC and it also allows matrix sign-ins as they own gitter.Gitter has nice intagration with GitHub as well,you can set up several chanels inculding privite ones with email notivication of posts.

Enjoy the Choice :)

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