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On 19/04/2022 at 10:00 AM, seeh said:

where did you find this error? i didn't found this in commands.txt and not in metadata.json and not in logs.

I guess you found it somewhere in the server logs

Game wasn't rated, i thought it was, later of reporting i found out so as i could not delete my past post, i edited

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18 hours ago, brucelee said:

So when people submit people leaving game do the victims ever get their points for the win? or a win added to the W ? This has happened to me 4-5 times and I have not had any points awarded.

Yes, both. If you submit your replay and it's verified, you should receive the W and the points shortly afterward. Typically it takes awhile for people to get to your game after you submit the replay (like anywhere from 2-3 weeks to 2-3 months), so it's possible they just haven't gotten to it yet?

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On June 3rd, 2022, around 11:35 pm UTC, Some players were apparently colluding to boost the rating of certain players. These guys, or one guy with a lot of duplicate accounts, were throwing matches rapidly, about 6 matches in 4 minutes at one point.

Here are some of the names that I noticed apparently doing this.

borg2
borgy2
borg2.
fman4
fman3
fman2
aboss
valihrant..
borg.
carid2
vali2

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@user1guanajato was throwing rated matches in rapid succession to give cronelius points.

‎[2023-01-28 17:47:34+0000] ‎Ratings‎: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1673 -> 1681) and guanajato (1424 -> 1415).  
‎‎[2023-01-28 17:48:22+0000] ‎Ratings‎: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1681 -> 1689) and guanajato (1415 -> 1407).  
‎‎[2023-01-28 17:49:22+0000] ‎Ratings‎: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1689 -> 1696) and guanajato (1407 -> 1399).  
‎‎[2023-01-28 17:50:12+0000] ‎Ratings‎: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1696 -> 1703) and guanajato (1399 -> 1392).  
‎‎[2023-01-28 17:51:57+0000] ‎Ratings‎: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1703 -> 1710) and guanajato (1392 -> 1385).  
‎‎[2023-01-28 17:52:24+0000] ‎Basiliskos‎: @user1  
‎‎[2023-01-28 17:52:53+0000] ‎Basiliskos‎: @user1  
‎‎[2023-01-28 17:54:15+0000] ‎Basiliskos‎: guanajato giving cronelius free points  
‎[2023-01-28 17:54:18+0000] ‎Ratings‎: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1710 -> 1716) and guanajato (1385 -> 1378).  
‎‎[2023-01-28 17:55:02+0000] ‎cronelius.‎: Guanajato is troll  
‎[2023-01-28 17:55:10+0000] ‎Basiliskos‎: stop playing with him so  
‎[2023-01-28 17:55:14+0000] ‎Basiliskos‎: he give u points  
‎[2023-01-28 17:55:15+0000] ‎Basiliskos‎: a lot  
‎[2023-01-28 17:55:18+0000] ‎Basiliskos‎: a lot of matchs 

There might be additional abuses prior to this, as I had joined the lobby just before the start of this excerpt.

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1 minute ago, Norse_Harold said:

@user1guanajato was throwing rated matches in rapid succession to give cronelius points.

‎[2023-01-28 17:47:34+0000] ‎Ratings‎: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1673 -> 1681) and guanajato (1424 -> 1415).  
‎‎[2023-01-28 17:48:22+0000] ‎Ratings‎: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1681 -> 1689) and guanajato (1415 -> 1407).  
‎‎[2023-01-28 17:49:22+0000] ‎Ratings‎: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1689 -> 1696) and guanajato (1407 -> 1399).  
‎‎[2023-01-28 17:50:12+0000] ‎Ratings‎: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1696 -> 1703) and guanajato (1399 -> 1392).  
‎‎[2023-01-28 17:51:57+0000] ‎Ratings‎: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1703 -> 1710) and guanajato (1392 -> 1385).  
‎‎[2023-01-28 17:52:24+0000] ‎Basiliskos‎: @user1  
‎‎[2023-01-28 17:52:53+0000] ‎Basiliskos‎: @user1  
‎‎[2023-01-28 17:54:15+0000] ‎Basiliskos‎: guanajato giving cronelius free points  
‎[2023-01-28 17:54:18+0000] ‎Ratings‎: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1710 -> 1716) and guanajato (1385 -> 1378).  
‎‎[2023-01-28 17:55:02+0000] ‎cronelius.‎: Guanajato is troll  
‎[2023-01-28 17:55:10+0000] ‎Basiliskos‎: stop playing with him so  
‎[2023-01-28 17:55:14+0000] ‎Basiliskos‎: he give u points  
‎[2023-01-28 17:55:15+0000] ‎Basiliskos‎: a lot  
‎[2023-01-28 17:55:18+0000] ‎Basiliskos‎: a lot of matchs 

There might be additional abuses prior to this, as I had joined the lobby just before the start of this excerpt.

Indeed, he does have about 20 multiple accounts. Cronilius, el_gallo_desplamando etc from which he harvest ratings to his main account.

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More thrown matches to inflate the ratings of el_gallo_desplumaduo and cronelius.

[2023-01-30 20:36:21+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1587 -> 1597) and guanajato (1402 -> 1392).  
[2023-01-30 20:36:49+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1597 -> 1606) and guanajato (1392 -> 1382).  
[2023-01-30 20:37:16+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1606 -> 1615) and guanajato (1382 -> 1373).  
[2023-01-30 20:38:18+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1615 -> 1623) and guanajato (1373 -> 1364).  
[2023-01-30 20:38:41+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1623 -> 1631) and guanajato (1364 -> 1356).  
[2023-01-30 20:39:01+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1631 -> 1638) and guanajato (1356 -> 1348).  
[2023-01-30 20:39:23+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1638 -> 1645) and guanajato (1348 -> 1340).  
[2023-01-30 20:39:48+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1645 -> 1652) and guanajato (1340 -> 1333).  
[2023-01-30 20:40:10+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1652 -> 1658) and guanajato (1333 -> 1326).  
[2023-01-30 20:40:54+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1658 -> 1664) and guanajato (1326 -> 1319).  
[2023-01-30 20:41:14+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1664 -> 1670) and guanajato (1319 -> 1313).  
[2023-01-30 20:41:38+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1670 -> 1676) and guanajato (1313 -> 1307).  
[2023-01-30 20:42:46+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1676 -> 1681) and guanajato (1307 -> 1301).  
[2023-01-30 20:43:07+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1681 -> 1686) and guanajato (1301 -> 1295).  
[2023-01-30 20:44:25+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1716 -> 1729) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1686 -> 1673).  
[2023-01-30 20:44:48+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1729 -> 1741) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1673 -> 1661).  
[2023-01-30 20:45:14+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1741 -> 1753) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1661 -> 1649).  
[2023-01-30 20:45:43+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1753 -> 1764) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1649 -> 1638).  
[2023-01-30 20:46:07+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1764 -> 1775) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1638 -> 1627).  
[2023-01-30 20:46:30+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1775 -> 1785) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1627 -> 1617).  
[2023-01-30 20:46:50+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1785 -> 1795) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1617 -> 1607).  
[2023-01-30 20:47:15+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1795 -> 1804) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1607 -> 1597).  
[2023-01-30 20:47:40+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1804 -> 1813) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1597 -> 1588).  
[2023-01-30 20:48:02+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1813 -> 1821) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1588 -> 1579).  
[2023-01-30 20:48:28+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1821 -> 1829) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1579 -> 1571).  
[2023-01-30 20:48:50+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1829 -> 1836) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1571 -> 1563).  
[2023-01-30 20:49:36+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1836 -> 1843) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1563 -> 1555).  
[2023-01-30 20:49:59+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1843 -> 1850) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1555 -> 1548).  
 

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Hello!

I never played online (only on our home network), so am very likely not entitled to suggest something here, but maybe you allow me nevertheless. ;)

How about offering players to star well-behaving other players? Those with a good reputation would be preferred gaming partners and others could be simply ignored.

Again, please accept my sincere apologies if I wrote nonsense here. :blush:

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@Norse_Harold I recommend you ignore him, because he just likes earning rating points, perhaps just to convince hosts to let him play, which is sad as many new players are prevented from playing in TGs. Now he is obviously a smurf and just getting some approval, so just let him be. He will stop when his rating reaches his estimated. If you don't like him just don't let him join your games but I've played with this dude before and he was a nice person and a strong teammate, only slight imperfection was he couldn't understand English well.

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22 hours ago, Yekaterina said:

I recommend you ignore him, because he just likes earning rating points

I'm not going to ignore flagrant rule violations. See lobby rules 7 and 8

7. Not attempt to artificially adjust any user of the service's rating or any of the statistics which impact it. (Examples of this are, but are not limited to: cheating in ranked games, reverse engineering the service, and taking advantage of other users of the service.

8. Not undermine the intended gameplay or purposefully gain unfair advantages in multiplayer matches (for example cheating, using exploits or bugs).

When cronelius setup ranked matches between two users that he controlled that was gaining an unfair advantage in multiplayer by rigging the matches. It was also an artificial adjustment of his rating.

There are good reasons for the rules. They help to protect the integrity of ranked matches. They also help to quickly identify the minimum age of an account based on the number of ranked matches. Many or most players are not online at the time of the rigged ranked matches, so they don't have an awareness of what's happening in order to identify that some ranked matches were rigged! And, how can you expect players to know this when you're asking me to not even post in this thread with the evidence?

Integrity of statistics about the number of (legitimate) ranked matches is important for more than just gauging player skill. It also helps to identify which users have invested more in their accounts than other users. This is useful for identifying main accounts of players and linking player reputation to those names.

Please do not ignore players that are boosting their ratings and number of ranked matches by playing rigged games. Please report them as soon as possible. See something, say something. Thank you.

   
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@Norse_Harold 

First of all, I think the purpose of 0ad as a computer game is to entertain it's players who are willing to spend their precious time on it. As long as he is enjoying it and is not harming anyone else, he deserves his freedom. I argue that he is not affecting anyone else in doing that, because no one else lost or gained any ratings at all. So you should just play your own game and enjoy yourself instead of wasting your own time on him.

I have some questions about your post: 

Wouldn't your rule 7 suggest that any ranked match can be an artificial adjustment of the rating system? Any rating change can be argued to be artificial. For example, if I play with someone whom I know to be weaker than me just to farm ratings from him, is that a violation? What would you say about custom rating mod?

 

What is the issue with changing their rating? I can cover up my rating with that mod, but most OPs know me so it's not a problem at all. Similarly we all know about Cornelius, he is a valuable player of rating 1800, capable of fast boom and crossbow push with the Hans. Whatever he does with the ratings will not affect our knowledge of him, and hence will not give him an advantage.

 

You talk about rigging the matches. He is playing with himself, so the settings are very much whatever he wants, just like playing against AI. He is not cheating in a game against anyone else. If you want some ratings, just go do the same yourself! But we all know you are approximately 1300 and I would never stop you or treat you differenly if I see you change your number to 1500 or 900 or just some stars. Neither you nor him cannot gain an unfair advantage by having higher or lower ratings if we all know how you play. The players who can think of this idea and execute it are no noobs, so it's obvious that they are a smurf and we will take it into consideration when balancing TG. 

 

Finally, it's just a game. Give it a rest and let people have the freedom to enjoy themselves. Don't turn the lobby into an exam hall or a Fascist country.

 

 

 

 

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