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1 hour ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

No offense to bigtiger. He has some awesome stuff in his mod. He's done some pretty cool things with decals, for instance, which should be merged with core game, and I like the dead trees and fallen trees, which should also be merged. But LordGood's trees are actually better. :) At least, from what I see so far! Oh, and BigTiger's bushes should be merged too. Very nice.

I think LordGood's oaks there finally have the "layering" effect right, to cast some nice self-shadowing and give that fullness expected from a mature set of trees. It's one of the things I like about the "old" Carobs.

They will be committed. I'm waiting for his last map :)

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19 minutes ago, Bigtiger said:

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Oh man, these look a lot nicer than some of your others! They fit quite well with LordGood's.  My main critique of some of your other deciduous trees is that their foliage is very thin. I imagine you partially do that for performance, but the fact still remains. I do like how tall some of your trees are. Sometimes 0 A.D.'s trees seem a tad too small.

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4 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Oh man, these look a lot nicer than some of your others! They fit quite well with LordGood's.  My main critique of some of your other deciduous trees is that their foliage is very thin. I imagine you partially do that for performance, but the fact still remains. I do like how tall some of your trees are. Sometimes 0 A.D.'s trees seem a tad too small.

I appreciate the critique as it helps me to improve.

12 minutes ago, Stan` said:

They will be committed. I'm waiting for his last map :)

 Hopefully you don't have to wait to long! :laugh:

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3 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Oh man, these look a lot nicer than some of your others! They fit quite well with LordGood's.  My main critique of some of your other deciduous trees is that their foliage is very thin. I imagine you partially do that for performance, but the fact still remains. I do like how tall some of your trees are. Sometimes 0 A.D.'s trees seem a tad too small.

I agree Tall trees look great. :) The Rome 2: TW used similar designs for trees.

The taller the trees are, the more room for height variety

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lol what are the odds we'd be making the same tree at the same time

Thinner foliage in the texture does make it easier to avoid visual issues with leaf planes intersecting all ugly-like, or forming impenetrable domes and such, but the trade off is well... thinner foliage lol. I am becoming increasingly convinced there is no right way to do this, everything's a balancing act between performance and visual quality

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23 hours ago, LordGood said:

lol what are the odds we'd be making the same tree at the same time

Thinner foliage in the texture does make it easier to avoid visual issues with leaf planes intersecting all ugly-like, or forming impenetrable domes and such, but the trade off is well... thinner foliage lol. I am becoming increasingly convinced there is no right way to do this, everything's a balancing act between performance and visual quality

@LordGood I want to thank you for this amazing effort, it has incredibly increased the visuals of 0 A.D. already. This is extended to @Bigtiger and the rest of the flora-bosses working on these improvements.

How much more do you want to do on the plants and trees though? Any chance we can get down to some hellenizin' again sometime soon :brow:

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On 6/16/2019 at 3:05 AM, LordGood said:

lol what are the odds we'd be making the same tree at the same time

Thinner foliage in the texture does make it easier to avoid visual issues with leaf planes intersecting all ugly-like, or forming impenetrable domes and such, but the trade off is well... thinner foliage lol. I am becoming increasingly convinced there is no right way to do this, everything's a balancing act between performance and visual quality

I am the odds :P 

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21 minutes ago, Stan` said:

How big is a typical acacia leaf ?

Apparently there's like 160 to 1350 different varieties of "Acacia" depending on who you ask... I was getting confused looking at different types, including the more greener broader leafed types I see around my neighbourhood. I should have stuck with "umbrella thorn acacia" or "Vachellia Nilotica" or "Senegalia Senegal" (gum arabic tree) or something like that. Anyway, the leaves are exaggerated in size and they look more messy/angular in real life... I was thinking they look too minuscule if I make them any smaller, but I might want to revisit that. 

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10 minutes ago, Sundiata said:

 I should have stuck with "umbrella thorn acacia" or "Vachellia Nilotica" or "Senegalia Senegal" (gum arabic tree) or something like that.

Well more variety is okay :) 

10 minutes ago, Sundiata said:

Anyway, the leaves are exaggerated in size and they look more messy/angular in real life... I was thinking they look too minuscule if I make them any smaller, but I might want to revisit that. 

Just wanted to make sure cause indeed they look very big. Maybe if the texture had more dense branches and leaves that would work :) 

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10 minutes ago, LordGood said:

Banyan trees are ficuses, council trees/ strangler figs could be a taller variant.

I'm not botany expert, isn't my area but I was investigated about Tropical areas like Mesoamerica and Asia (Tropical area). 

 

my point is this kind of fig. and those are more different than we have, or already exist.

Ficus Elastica.

Roots of an Indian rubber tree Ficus elastica, also called the Rubber fig, in Hong Kong, China. Stock Photo - 50880992

other tree speciments from Tropical areas. no necessary coastal land.

 

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Just now, Stan` said:

Incidentally yes, but the maps won't really change much aside from that.

It changes a lot for eys. Current maps aren't too nice looking. :P I really like the images added to this topic, hopefully performance will be good.

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@Lion.Kanzen Yeah, we have similar looking trees over here...

One of our more common forest giants is the Silk Cotton Tree. It's absolutely humongous! Varieties of these are apparently also native to Latin America.

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6 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

@Sundiata  you live in a tropical are you've seen what it's like?

It's dense... 

Here's a collection of personal pictures I took of the nature scenes in my surroundings and other places in Ghana:

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My town is surrounded by the gardens of Eden... Sadly people don't realize it's value, and the forest are all being cut down at a terrifying rate, nationwide :( Our government is useless...

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Fields lying fallow. Some plantains growing on the edge. Behind them are enormous bamboo bushes.

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If there is no path, there is no way to pass, unless you cut a path yourself, which is very tedious work.

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All paths look the same. You can easily lose your way.

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Vines are a thing...

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Oil palms are everywhere. Either growing naturally, scattered across the forest, or bunched together in old abandoned groves. 

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Little streams at the bases of hills.

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Cassava fields intersperse the bush.

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Boti Falls, different place, same region.

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We also have mangroves at the coasts. I had a lovely swim there :) 

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Rainforests aren't complete without some monkeys :) The villagers in this area of the Volta region have a taboo against killing/eating monkeys, which has caused the monkeys from the surrounding forest to lose their fear of humans... They're very friendly, as long as you don't run out of bananas. 

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The North is very different. A wooded Savannah which can get pretty hot and dry during the Harmattan (dry season, when sand from the Sahara blows south). Pictures from Mole National Park, a huge nature reserve in the Northern Region. There are hundreds of free roaming elephants there :) 

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As you can see, the trees are smaller. and it can get totally parched over there as well.

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A few streams and watering holes keep the place alive

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Almost bumped into an elephant more than once over there. The elephants at Mole are pretty laid-back... He just sort of growled at me and moved on. 

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lilies! :) 

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Mostly scrubland with low bushes and medium sized trees interspersing open areas with large amounts of antelopes and gazelles sometimes grouped in sizable herds. This is baobab country... We actually have baobabs in the southern forests as well, but you hardly notice them under all the foliage from creeping plants using them as scaffolds.

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And baboons and warthogs were even common on the motel grounds... Warthogs are pretty indifferent to everything, but baboons are not friendly creatures... Not friendly at all... They were literally stealing people's breakfast from their plates, right under their noses, and 2 of them even invaded my room when I was there! Scary moment to realize that their canines are three times the size of the average dog's canines o.0 Just look at his face! Clearly thinking about mugging me, or throwing faeces at my face or something... 

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