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===[TASK]=== Kushite Units, Unit Textures, and Unit Props


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@wackyserious so citizen cavalry can be very simple. Something like this?

  • tier 1: horse: Just a cloth for the rider to sit on (saddlecloth) / rider: loincloth, bare chest
  • tier 2: horse: a saddlecloth and 2 leather bands running across the neck / rider: loincloth and cloth armour 
  • tier 3: horse: saddlecloth and 2 or 3 leather bands running across the neck (with cloth fringes), 1 band across it's butt (no fringes) / rider: a long quilted cotton armour (only for spear cav?), perhaps even a cape. The spear/lance can have a fabric tied at the base of the speartip.

I'll discuss royal cav in dept soon.

@Alexandermb's superhero cape might actually come in handy here, for the highest tier spear cav, see reference...

Here's some references, but keep in mind these are mixed citizen cav and royal cav. Keep the fancy stuff (scale armour) for champions (I'll share illustration soon and discuss...):

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These guys are all wearing capes...

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Kushite quilted armour on a horse? My guess is yes.. It was mentioned by one of the ancient Greek writers (name slips my mind for now)

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This is from the Nubian Christian era Makurian Kingdom in Sudan, a successor to Kush... From the Faras Cathedral

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Modern Sudanese horsemen:

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Somewhere else in Africa:

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Ethiopian horse accoutrements  (easier to reference) are similar in some ways:

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Some posts on Kushite horse accoutrements, but remember these are for royal cav.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, wackyserious said:

Will these be the same variation for the light cavalry? (cav_javelinist)

What about the Beja shields? Will they use it?

Yes and yes.

Only use the plain variation of the beja shield though, the one with metal boss is for champs.

Wicker round shield is actually an attractive possibility for lower tiers...

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11 minutes ago, wackyserious said:

What else would use it? tier 1 infantry_clubman?

The clubman are those other Nuba mercs... Better to keep the same shield types for the same unit types (tribal societies tend to use specific equipment as identifying markers). So clubman gets hexagonal wicker, not round wicker..

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7 hours ago, Sundiata said:

The clubman are those other Nuba mercs... Better to keep the same shield types for the same unit types (tribal societies tend to use specific equipment as identifying markers). So clubman gets hexagonal wicker, not round wicker..

Gameplay-wise, this would cause a problem in distinguishing units. i.e. clubman vs. javelinist (Do you have something in mind that could at least add a level of distinction between them? They share too many things in common (body textures, shield in general and heads) I've tried changing the idle pose for the clubman to biped/base_swordsman_shield_relax

@wowgetoffyourcellphone Maybe you also have something in mind?

Lordgood recently added the Kush hairdo and ostrich feather props, I haven't tried them yet but maybe this is worth mentioning in this discussion.

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Just now, wackyserious said:

Gameplay-wise, this would cause a problem in distinguishing units. i.e. clubman vs. javelinist (Do you have something in mind that could at least add a level of distinction between them?

Hmmm, perhaps yet another shield-type? Dinka stick fighting "shield" for javelins, the wicker one for clubmen?

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By the way, check out these Dinka clubs...

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13 minutes ago, wackyserious said:

Lordgood recently added the Kush hairdo and ostrich feather props, I haven't tried them yet but maybe this is worth mentioning in this discussion.

Cewl! I'm curious! Just use the feathers for the archers (for distinction)

 

13 hours ago, wackyserious said:

About Arakamani (Kush_hero_elephant)

What will be his turret?

I don't know exactly, something that looks like this?

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Just now, wackyserious said:

I have to admit, I really enjoyed testing the javelin infantry with wicker shields.

It can be the other way around as well, really, it was just a suggestion... Was thinking the same thing..

 

Just now, wackyserious said:

What about head props or they general appearance (body texture) ?

I thought their semi-nakedness is quite appropriate for these tribal levies?

 

Just now, wackyserious said:

I recently changed the actor files of the cavalry units to suit your suggested appearance per tier.

You know I live for screenshots :) 

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Thank youuu!!!

21 minutes ago, wackyserious said:

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Oh man :eek:... Tribal warfare is brutal! So gorgeous... So lethal...  Props man!

Cavalry looks beautiful! Why are some missing their halters though? The higher tier can have as many as 2 of those blue bands across their chest and one around their neck.

So yeah, those wicker shields should definitely go with those javelin dudes huh?

@wackyserious & @Lion.Kanzen , I'll make a very appropriate, and historical outline for a banner tomorrow :) 

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28 minutes ago, Sundiata said:

Thank youuu!!!

Oh man :eek:... Tribal warfare is brutal! So gorgeous... So lethal...  Props man!

Cavalry looks beautiful! Why are some missing their halters though? The higher tier can have as many as 2 of those blue bands across their chest and one around their neck.

So yeah, those wicker shields should definitely go with those javelin dudes huh?

@wackyserious & @Lion.Kanzen , I'll make a very appropriate, and historical outline for a banner tomorrow :) 

The banner don't request so much details. unless you uses for many proposes.

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54 minutes ago, stanislas69 said:

Why do you want to make another rally point banner when there is already one in the game ?

The scarab is quite appropriate actually...

Oh, well, oops:

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An actual Kushite standard from the Apedemak lion temple in Naqa. Apedemak is a god of war..

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@stanislas69, @wowgetoffyourcellphone, @wackyserious,  @Hannibal_Barca

I suggest replacing the Hero Nastasen with Harsiotef (his father) 

Originally we decided on Nastasen because he defeated an Egyptian naval invasion under Khabash, and claimed to have taken "many fine boats". This would balance a weak Kushite navy with some kind of aura. But this decision has been gnawing at me ever since.

Instead of trying to balance a given weakness (navy), we should emphasise their strength and specialities. What they were most known for... The Kushite love for horses is iconic, and Harsiotef is the best representation of Kushite cavalry might in 0AD's timeframe. He is a more sensible choice, because of his many cavalry campaigns, and he was arguably more powerful (and more known today).

The fact that the hero in question is mounted on a horse makes a cavalry speciality all the more logical, and a naval bonus all the more weird.

Written record of Harsiotef's cavalry engagements, from the Harsiotef stela:

"I sent my infantry and my cavalry against the rebels of Metete"

"I sent my army and my cavalry against the rebels of Mekhuf"

(fighting the chief of the Rehrehsa, who were attacking Meroë (Birawa))
"The chief at my side made him withdraw. He made my army and cavalry safe."

"I sent it [the army], the mutilators, men: 50, together with the cavalry of the four desert lands of Mekhty, which is in Taqotshe; and it slaughtered them"

He also fought as far North as Aswan in Egypt, which means Elephantine and Philae came under Kushite controll during his reign.

Harsiotef himself, offering to Amun of Thebes, and Amun of Napata, from the Harsiotef stela:

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So basically this guy on a horse (with lance and stanislas' bronze skullcap), renamed as Harsiotef:

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Full body scale armour is very appropriate for cavalry. The other Hero armour can be for Arakamani on the elephant.

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