Alexandermb Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 @Sundiata 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) @Alexandermb, Jesus that was fast! Looks great (I don't know why the one on the right is stretched like that though) side-view, of course, duh... Yaaaaay, Kushite sword scabbard! One more thing is there could be 2 bronze rings, attached to those bronze bits in the middle, to attach the straps to. see examples. Thank you!!! Edited January 23, 2018 by Sundiata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandermb Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, Sundiata said: @Alexandermb, Jesus that was fast! Looks great (I don't know why the one on the right is stretched like that though) side-view, of course, duh... Yaaaaay, Kushite sword scabbard! One more thing is there could be 2 bronze rings, attached to those bronze bits in the middle, to attach the straps to. see examples. Thank you!!! i was working on the fisherman it took me about 4 hours to test something and still is WIP, i saw this post and decided to make this and rest a bit from the fisherman again i love more doing weapon's or mechanical animations rather than cloth/capes/humans hahaha. For now it has 100 tris, wich isn't too much, so i hope you don't mind having 120 or 140 (152) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 @Sundiata Is this how you wanted the sandals to look like? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Alexandermb said: i was working on the fisherman it took me about 4 hours to test something and still is WIP, i saw this post and decided to make this and rest a bit from the fisherman again i love more doing weapon's or mechanical animations rather than cloth/capes/humans hahaha. It's funny how you can spend hours on one thing and just minutes on another. Either way, it's all making the game look and feel all the better! 5 minutes ago, Alexandermb said: For now it has 100 tris, wich isn't too much, so i hope you don't mind having 120 or 140 I don't know about max tris for props like this, but I think it's ok. Could you share the file here, so that @wackyserious or @stanislas69 can incorporate it for the Meroitic swordsmen? perhaps just fix it diagonally on the back, that would be best (if you could fix straps that go around the chest, that would be awesome) 2 minutes ago, wackyserious said: Is this how you wanted the sandals to look like? Well, it actually turned out a little better than I was thinking, lol... I don't know if the colour is ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 Should I de-saturate it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandermb Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sundiata said: Could you share the file here, so that @wackyserious or @stanislas69 can incorporate it for the Meroitic swordsmen? perhaps just fix it diagonally on the back, that would be best (if you could fix straps that go around the chest, that would be awesome) straps around the chest could be half straps on the body texture (about 70%) and a bit rectangular face overlapping the scabbard with the same texture of the strap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 Just now, wackyserious said: Should I de-saturate it? Perhaps a little, yes. The red seems to stand out too much. But the shape and all is good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandermb Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 mesh only file.scabbard.7z 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) @Alexandermb, if you're interested: We need a Kushite feathered horse-crown (prop), to replace the current Seleucid placeholder. I made a horse-crown texture with the exact outline: I made use of a 19th century image in the public domain I'm not sure if it should be used by cavalry champions or only by the mounted hero I forgot wowgetoffyourcellphone's awesome idea: Noble cavalry upgrade to Royal cavalry (after tech research). Noble cav doesn't get horse-crown, royal cav does... This one is for the mounted hero: Spoiler Horse crown from Meroë: Horse crowns from Napata: Egyptian examples: So I figured out why this image struck me as looking so Kushite... It's in Kush... The temple of Beit el-Wali to be exact, in modern day Nubia, built by Ramesses II in the New Kingdom (when Kush and Egypt were a unified nation) Edited January 24, 2018 by Sundiata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 @Sundiata I'm currently working on the Nubian oval shield textures. Based on the picture below, can we assume that those shields have cow hides that have one color? What if there are several cows that have huge patches in their hides? Don't you think it is possible that single colored cow hide shields were a thing in the past? Having that in mind, I was thinking of having four variants based on my speculations All white All black All brown All reddish brown This will help in creating distinction in units though shield texture recognition And who should use this then? Based on the picture, should we give these stuff to 2nd tier units? What do you think? @wowgetoffyourcellphone @LordGood @Sundiata @stanislas69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, wackyserious said: can we assume that those shields have cow hides that have one color? What if there are several cows that have huge patches in their hides? Don't you think it is possible that single colored cow hide shields were a thing in the past? Sure... But as you can see in most pictures the colours are mixed in with each-other. You could have one unit with solid colours (black & red), and another unit with patches (black & red), but not some shields with patches and some without in the same unit. I actually think the solid coloured versions are painted... 33 minutes ago, wackyserious said: All white BEIGE All black All brown All reddish brown Cool 33 minutes ago, wackyserious said: And who should use this then? Based on the picture, should we give these stuff to 2nd tier units? We should only use Egyptian style shields like that for: Napatan temple guard: but they get the leopard pelt Apedemak's temple guards pikemen, from the second tier going (but I was thinking to use the giraffe hides mixed with cow hides for them, both for small round shield and egyptian type shield, or maybe they could get the solid colours??) So out of the citizen soldiers, only pikemen get those shields (remember we're not New-Kingdom period but Napatan and Meroitic). By the way, I found a second very clear image of that shield type being offered to the Egyptian pharaoh Ramesses II, by Kushites, along with other Kushite items exported to Egypt: Shields in middle uppper section, with ebony logs, ivory, fans, ostrich eggs furniture, exotic pelts, bows, pottery, gold, slaves and exotic animals including a lion (those Kushite lions...) The guy on the far right is Amenemopet, the Viceroy of Kush. Full image for context (Ramesses II subjugation of Kush), from Beit El Wali (Nubia): Another possible horse crown variation. This is just a cutout from a public domain image (100 + year old). Don't know if this is useful or not? Edited January 24, 2018 by Sundiata 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, Sundiata said: Sure... But as you can see in most pictures the colours are mixed in with each-other. You could have one unit with solid colours (black & red), and another unit with patches (black & red), but not some shields with patches and some without in the same unit. I actually think the solid coloured versions are painted... Can these variations be implemented in the Nubian oval shields as well? I was thinking of giving the following: Tier 1: Patches (Red + Black) Tier 2: Solid (White + Black + Red + ?Light brown?) Tier 3: Rhino + Leopard Also, if we would use painted shields = solid full color Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) The light brown thureos texture from Enrique's source file also looks like lion skin. Can lion skin be also used for elite ranks? Edited January 24, 2018 by wackyserious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 Just now, wackyserious said: Can these variations be implemented in the Nubian oval shields as well? I was thinking of giving the following: Tier 1: Patches (Red + Black) Tier 2: Solid (White + Black + Red + ?Light brown?) Tier 3: Rhino + Leopard This is not so good. Oval hide shields for the Nubian spearmen need to be white with black or red patches. Those are the only type of shields they get. Remember that these are the most basic citizen units and they're not supposed to be good units. No armour, inferior weapons... definitely no rhino or leopard stuff. Let the cheap units be cheap. Kush comes in to it's own with champion units, and good archers. The tiers will be defined by sashes and other adornments like necklaces and such, but the shields remain the same. Think of the Nubian and Nuba units as the most stereotype loincloth warriors. The urban elites with their fancy stuff appear among swordsmen and pikes, and the royals and nobles as champions. The King as hero can go all out, but you got them covered Just now, wackyserious said: Can lion skin be also used for elite ranks? As a shield? I'm not sure. As a loin-pelt for higher ranking Nubians, yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 @wackyserious Sorry, I think I see what you want. You want to make a New Kingdom heavy infantry unit like that chariot team with spearmen and solid coloured shields. The problem is we don't have a specific unit like that (Napatan temple guard kind of represents it though). I'm all for more units, but the current selection is already large, and there are other units that would have the prerogative I think, (like chariots). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 @Sundiata Got it, producing the unit roster is a collaborative effort, I'm consulting you and the others to avoid inaccuracies in the design So no armor means, I have to replace the placeholder texture for the elite spearman (leopard loincloth + linen armor) with a bare-chested one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 These guys will have to go then. @Sundiata Also can you check the back of the shield of the first 2 guys, should the wood be a whole piece or segmented? 3rd guy is the current placeholder for 3rd tier spearman. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, wackyserious said: @Sundiata Got it, producing the unit roster is a collaborative effort, I'm consulting you and the others to avoid inaccuracies in the design So no armor means, I have to replace the placeholder texture for the elite spearman (leopard loincloth + linen armor) with a bare-chested one? I found this can be nice give some variety to the scales...but Im sure with low-res And less radical. between like the spoiler. Spoiler 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 @Lion.Kanzen Nice find! I like it. It is license compatible right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandermb Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 @Sundiata something like this ? Spoiler 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 23 minutes ago, wackyserious said: These guys will have to go then. Out of those guys, the guy on the far right is literally perfect for top tier Nubian spearman.. The only other variation for top tier Nubians that would be good is wowgetoofyourcellphones "Blemmye tunic" texture These guys need to feel like the poorly armoured and poorly marshalled troops Strabo was referring to... Armour and fancy stuff is for heroes, champions and some quilted cotton for pikemen and swordsmen.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 @Sundiata What about this chieftain guy? Can a tunic pelt combination be used for 3rd tier ranks? His cape too, can we include it? @Sundiata All right, got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 @Alexandermb, God, yes!!!! Compare: Could you share the files? Maybe I should make a new horse crown texture for the Seleucids as well now that we're at it? If you want to do the modelling? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 @Sundiata So this will be our guys? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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