Sundiata Posted April 15, 2019 Report Share Posted April 15, 2019 @Nescio, Here are a 3 more artworks by Andrei Karaschuk/А Каращук, after googling the Russian name. Pretty nice stuff: Spoiler "Xenophon's ten thousand - Greek hoplite, servant and Greek mercenary in the service of Cyrus the younger, V century BC" (a missing unit in the Persian unit roster?) "Thracian peltasts and Greek Ekdromoi, 5 - 4th c. BC" "Scythian archer, V century BC, Lightly armed warrior Psili, V century BC, Athens dart thrower, second half of the V century BC" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfinn the Shallow Minded Posted April 15, 2019 Report Share Posted April 15, 2019 The quality of the art is obvious to be sure, but I would be skeptical regarding the use of shields; the peltast holding a shield weighing something to the figure of 15 lbs. Likewise, I am fairly sure that the aspis was not designed to be strapped onto the back. I've never seen or read any primary sources which attests to this practice. If anyone can provide evidence against either of these points, please do so, I am genuinely interested to know if I am wrong. I should probably stop since this might derail the topic too much. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted April 16, 2019 Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 On 3/11/2018 at 9:21 PM, stanislas69 said: I might be a tad late to the party, but I don't get the brick pattern on the tower, specifically the corners/cornerstones. This is leather? If I were to craft anything like this, I'd try to make sturdy panels for each side, attaching them to the corner poles of the tower; that would be clear edges, and certainly no leather pieces would go around the corner. A bit more like the first one on the left or the lower one: On 3/11/2018 at 11:14 AM, Sundiata said: Hide contents And I'd probably have additional vertical leather pieces protect the corners... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nescio Posted April 16, 2019 Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 19 hours ago, Sundiata said: "Carthaginian infantry fighting in a phalanx with Libyan skirmishers ahead of them, 3rd century BC - art by Andrei Karaschuk (А Каращук)" That's about as far as I get when trying to search more info on the painting... 10 hours ago, Sundiata said: @Nescio, Here are a 3 more artworks by Andrei Karaschuk/А Каращук, after googling the Russian name. Pretty nice stuff: Reveal hidden contents "Xenophon's ten thousand - Greek hoplite, servant and Greek mercenary in the service of Cyrus the younger, V century BC" (a missing unit in the Persian unit roster?) "Thracian peltasts and Greek Ekdromoi, 5 - 4th c. BC" "Scythian archer, V century BC, Lightly armed warrior Psili, V century BC, Athens dart thrower, second half of the V century BC" Thanks for sharing, I was curious how and where you find such artwork. There are several minor details I could nitpick about, but I suppose they're justified by artistic licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted April 16, 2019 Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 8 hours ago, Thorfinn the Shallow Minded said: Likewise, I am fairly sure that the aspis was not designed to be strapped onto the back. I've never seen or read any primary sources which attests to this practice. Aspis I am not sure. But Diphylon shield yes: https://www.pinterest.ch/pin/439663982359344102/ However, it is a bit different from an aspis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lion.Kanzen Posted April 16, 2019 Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Genava55 said: Aspis I am not sure. But Diphylon shield yes: https://www.pinterest.ch/pin/439663982359344102/ However, it is a bit different from an aspis. very similar to Boetian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted April 16, 2019 Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 9 hours ago, Thorfinn the Shallow Minded said: Likewise, I am fairly sure that the aspis was not designed to be strapped onto the back. I've never seen or read any primary sources which attests to this practice. Interesting, I never even thought about that... I have indeed never seen a period depiction of that. 9 hours ago, Thorfinn the Shallow Minded said: I would be skeptical regarding the use of shields; the peltast holding a shield weighing something to the figure of 15 lbs. Not quite sure that I understand what you're saying here. 1 hour ago, Nescio said: Thanks for sharing, I was curious how and where you find such artwork. Google is my friend (not really, but it knows my entire search history so I try to keep on it's good side) I reverse image search almost everything I post (to find the highest quality versions and their original context). I've been obsessively searching for ancient artwork and modern artist's interpretations of historical subjects for a very long time. The algorithms really know what I'm looking for by now... I have modest but pretty good personal library back in Belgium and I have this historian friend that has hundreds of high quality titles as well, + several hundred Osprey titles which I've drooled over more times than I care to admit So I've been primed to a lot of relatively good stuff. I'm aware of the issues with Osprey and other comparable stuff, but I think the problem is more that some people expect a little too much from "pop"-history titles geared at the non-specialists who just want a basic but comprehensive introduction with some pretty pictures to go with). I guess I take it for granted that modern artists' interpretations should always be taken with some caution. It's often just the best we got to give people a quick understanding without having to dive into the more difficult to find and assess primary sources. I do 100% appreciate and love primary sources above all, I'm just not familiar with all of it, so I really appreciate if someone provides them. 1 hour ago, Nescio said: There are several minor details I could nitpick about, but I suppose they're justified by artistic licence. Nitpick away! Personally, I understand artists taking artistic licenses, but I think they're only really appropriate when there is missing information that needs filling in. 1 hour ago, Genava55 said: Aspis I am not sure. But Diphylon shield yes: https://www.pinterest.ch/pin/439663982359344102/ Interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 16, 2019 Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) Quote The warrior carries a shield of the"boeotian" type and he wears a helmet-Cvm-hat on his head. In his right hand he would have held his spear, which is not preserved. The figurine was found at Karditsa in Thessaly and is dated to 700-650 B.C. National Archaeological Museum of Athens Edited April 16, 2019 by Lion.Kanzen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted April 16, 2019 Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 Tadaaaaam Thracian terracotta relief, Apollonia Pontica, 500BC (according to image description). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 16, 2019 Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 I dont see why not? the back have more muscles and better structure than an arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted April 16, 2019 Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, Genava55 said: Tadaaaaam Woooow! You hero! Hahaha... Marvelous... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted April 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2019 A good counter statement on how the Punic Sacred Band are often described in online contents. https://www.ancientworldmagazine.com/articles/punic-sacred-band-clearing-up-confusion/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted April 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2019 Quote Plutarch actually notes, during the Battle of the Crimisus, that the Carthaginians wore “iron breastplates” that, combined with their large shields, made them very hard to kill (Plut. Tim. 28.1). Thus, it is problematic to say in a matter-of-fact way that the Sacred Band preferred the linothorax. This was part of that article, again the use of iron body protection mentioned by Plutarch was noted. This was in 339 BC roughly around the time of Philip of Macedon's conquest of Greece. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted April 21, 2019 Report Share Posted April 21, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, wackyserious said: This was part of that article, again the use of iron body protection mentioned by Plutarch was noted. This was in 339 BC roughly around the time of Philip of Macedon's conquest of Greece. Considering the scant sources, I don't see any reason to deviate from the few sources that we actually do have. So i'd say go for it! I know you're already familiar with Phillip II of Macedon's Iron cuirass: I wanted to share another Iron cuirass that I haven't seen on this forum yet. The Iron cuirass from the tomb on Prodrimo (Crete), 290 -270 BC (believed to be armour for a cavalry man) Original: Reconstructed: A little more info: https://hetairoi.de/en/grave-of-prodromi The silver plated iron helmet from that tomb is amazing as well (reconstructed): Original: Edited April 21, 2019 by Sundiata 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted April 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2019 Here is the current state of the bronze cuirass that I am working on. I am not really satisfied on how it looks. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted April 21, 2019 Report Share Posted April 21, 2019 3 hours ago, wackyserious said: I am not really satisfied on how it looks. Maybe too much muscular. And the ends for the neck and the arms are maybe too wide (too big lines). https://tiflos.artstation.com/projects/KDoJG?album_id=1406039 By the way, if this is not already used: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ksour_Essef_cuirass https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/MAGAZINE-diving-archaeologists-find-lion-helmet-from-punic-wars-1.5626649 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted April 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2019 I hand-painted and tried to achieve the closest resemblance and this is the result. @stanislas69 @LordGood @Alexandermb Would this do? Should I commit it? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted April 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2019 It still lacks a spec map in the screenshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 22, 2019 Report Share Posted April 22, 2019 1 hour ago, wackyserious said: I hand-painted and tried to achieve the closest resemblance and this is the result. @stanislas69 @LordGood @Alexandermb Would this do? Should I commit it? do it... but let me a try Im not sure can hangle at alo but both can be better than only of us alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 22, 2019 Report Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Genava55 said: Maybe too much muscular. And the ends for the neck and the arms are maybe too wide (too big lines). https://tiflos.artstation.com/projects/KDoJG?album_id=1406039 By the way, if this is not already used: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ksour_Essef_cuirass https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/MAGAZINE-diving-archaeologists-find-lion-helmet-from-punic-wars-1.5626649 Perfect for me , I only need the colors... _______________________________________________________________________ @wackyserious I think is time to use other inspirations. check those. we have this helmet with this Cheekpieces never mind. add this suit nice. the long sleeves version. I think long sleeves are for African weather. Edited April 22, 2019 by Lion.Kanzen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 22, 2019 Report Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) Spoiler https://tiflos.artstation.com/projects/KDoJG https://tiflos.artstation.com/projects/1voaX look those Morgado let us something and nobody give importance I think. recolorizing by me but need to fit with texture the dificult thing is give the correct shape both. first to real one. then fix correct shape from our texture map if I'd known, I'd have asked him to do it with that form. Edited April 22, 2019 by Lion.Kanzen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 22, 2019 Report Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) Spoiler Apotropaic eye Spoiler Apotropaic magic (from Greek αποτρέπειν "to ward off" from από- "away" and τρέπειν "to turn") is a type of magic intended to turn away harm or evil influences, as in deflecting misfortune or averting the evil eye. Apotropaic observances may also be practiced out of vague superstition or out of tradition, as in good luck charms (perhaps some token on a charm bracelet), amulets, or gestures such as crossed fingers or knocking on wood. The Greeks made offerings to the "averting gods" (ἀποτρόπαιοι θεοί, apotropaioi theoi), chthonic deities and heroes who grant safety and deflect evil.[1 Spoiler Shield from Chemtou with the blazon of an‘apotropaic’ eye, believed to ward off ill-fortune. (Photo courtesy Chemtou Archaeological Museum/ Deutsches Archdologisches Institut Rom, Chimtou-Archiv). Chemtou or Chimtou was an ancient Roman-Berber town in northwestern Tunisia, located 20 km from the city of Jendouba near the Algerian frontier. @wackyserious let me know if you need the EPS (vectorial) as single images. Spoiler Apotropaic eye.eps Edited April 22, 2019 by Lion.Kanzen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGood Posted April 22, 2019 Report Share Posted April 22, 2019 I'd say it's definitely up to par. If you're not happy with it, you can revisit it later of course, or let one of us take a crack at it from the repo ;p 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted April 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 18 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said: Reveal hidden contents https://tiflos.artstation.com/projects/KDoJG https://tiflos.artstation.com/projects/1voaX look those Morgado let us something and nobody give importance I think. recolorizing by me but need to fit with texture Have to avoid very dark areas, it also needs a back part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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