Suggestions for 0 A.D.

[Perzival12]

5 hours ago, zozio32 said:

there is always the risk to make the roman too good if we give them everything the romans did

All civs built mounds and dug trenches. The Romans were just better at it. If trenches were added, they should be available to everyone.

[LienRag]

I don't remember if it has already been suggested, but what would really better the game would be secondary objectives, and especially in P2.

I mean, it's nearly impossible to attack an enemy fortified area before siege units in P3, which means the gameplay lacks diversity.

We'd need things to fight for in P1 (like treasures/relics, but ones which would be revealed at the beginning of the game, to remove the randomness of getting there first if you don't know the map already).

Note that many maps have Gaia buildings, but it's never (AFAIK) explained whether they have their own roots (some have, so are nice to capture early) or not (most of them don't, which makes them nearly useless to capture early).
A few nice-to-have-but-not-totally-unbalancing buildings with their own root territory clearly established, and revealed at the beginning of the game, could be nice.

Like towers, houses, markets, storehouses, farms...
One map at least have temples with their own roots, it's a bit strong imho but why not.

Not necessarily all treasures and relics and buildings-with-their-own-roots need to be revealed at the beginning of the game, it's fine to reward exploration, but a few important ones should.
And all buildings should make clearly visible if they have their own root territory !

Of course those revealed at start should be at a minimum distance from the players' starting position (basically no treasure should be closer to one player than to at least another one, and other rewards should still be relatively far away, so that a player sending troops to it can get there before the closest player has finished to capture it if he did send only one citizen soldier).

 

And in P2, we should have things that resist attacks by non-siege units (like garrisoned towers) and simple, unprotected battering rams that can take them down (but slowly, and also are vulnerable to counter-attacks : basically no armor, even against pierce).

Not sure what the equilibrium should be concerning resource gathering : we'd want something that can be built in the open (to serve as a secondary objective for the enemy), that is resistant to non-siege units once garrisoned but can be taken down by these P2 rams.
But also not something that makes it too easy to build outside territory, so as not to compete unfairly with the Kleroukia or Town Center.

Maybe something that take nearly as much time to build than a Kleroukia, doesn't cost metal and costs only 50 or 100 Stone ? With less hit points, less garrison, and way less territory around it ?

Edited Sunday at 19:56 by LienRag
fixing typo

[Deicide4u]

14 minutes ago, LienRag said:

I mean, it's nearly impossible to attack an enemy fortified area before siege units in P3, which means the gameplay lacks diversity.

I partially agree, but you don't have to attack the fortified positions to be ahead. In fact, you should ignore the buildings and go after the enemy's gatherers.

In multiplayer games, people will resign once they see you are far ahead. This is possible even in P1. 

[LienRag]

20 hours ago, Deicide4u said:

I partially agree, but you don't have to attack the fortified positions to be ahead. In fact, you should ignore the buildings and go after the enemy's gatherers.

Right.

I tried to do it against AI but it requires a whole lot of micromanagement - one misstep and you lose your units to enemy arrows.

With Britons I sometime succeed at it with the starting dog, but most of the times it still gets killed (after doing some havoc, so it's not a total loss).

[LienRag]

We could also have Shrines, that work like Relics but are unmovable (and have their own territory root).

Some of them should be revealed at start, others would need exploration to be found.

They'd need to be apart from each other and far from players' starting positions.

If they take long enough to be captured, that would allow for more interesting tactics than just surprise attacks...

 

Another thing we could do with Relics is to forbid them to move too close to another Relic (like, minimum distance would be half a starting territory away).

That way the player that gets more of them has to spread them, allowing for enemy raids to try to capture them.

[guerringuerrin]

50 minutes ago, LienRag said:

We could also have Shrines, that work like Relics but are unmovable (and have their own territory root).

I love this

Edited yesterday at 17:15 by guerringuerrin

[Classic-Burger]

7 hours ago, LienRag said:

We could also have Shrines, that work like Relics but are unmovable (and have their own territory root).

There are already some in-game. In the art files. I don't know if these exist as actors.

[Outis]

4 hours ago, Classic-Burger said:

There are already some in-game. In the art files. I don't know if these exist as actors.

They appear in some maps as neutral objects you can capture

[LienRag]

4 hours ago, Outis said:

They appear in some maps as neutral objects you can capture

Really ?

Could you tell us which ?

And what is their effect ?

[Outis]

I remember seeing one in Cycladelic Archipelago. I think they behave like temples but I have never had the honor of capturing one. Maybe @wowgetoffyourcellphone can elaborate.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

2 hours ago, Outis said:

I remember seeing one in Cycladelic Archipelago. I think they behave like temples but I have never had the honor of capturing one. Maybe @wowgetoffyourcellphone can elaborate.

In DE, they give all of your capturable buildings more capture points. They also heal nearby units and you can train Elite Healers there of their specific culture. From the Greek ones you can train the healer hero Hippocrates (only once) and research Oracle of Delphi. I'd like to come up with healer heroes and 1 special tech for each cultural shrine.

In base game, they just heal nearby troops and you can train healers from them. They're basically capturable temples in that case, but with no techs. 

 

It would be nice to be able to include these and other things, like Cultural Artifacts and Mercenary Camps, in random maps, toggle-able by the game host like how Catafalques can be turned off and on.

 

In DE, Cultural Artifacts give you a trickle of glory resource. In base game, perhaps a buff to capturing. 

 

In DE, Mercenary Camps give you the ability to train 30 mercenaries, which cost 0 population, specific to the culture of the camp. There's also a camp which trains mercenaries specific to the civ you are playing. Each player has one of those civ-specific camps nearby, while the cultural camps, based on where the map represents, are scattered across the map.