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The Syracusans The Syracusans are a Greek faction known for their innovation, cultural contributions, and energetic history. They tussled with the Carthaginians, Athenians, and Romans for control of Sicily. For a time, Syracuse was one of the largest, most powerful Greek states in the Mediterranean basin. The famous mathematician Archimedes was a son of Syracuse and helped his city with many inventions and mathematical innovations. In the game, they are a "Greek City-States" faction (Hoplite-focused army, a buildable Stoa, etc.), but with a "Successor States" access to the Library ("Archimedean Academy"), Siege Weapons, and Quinquereme warship.

lmao I don't think being better than other players is an excuse to insult them. That being said you also launch tirades against players better than you after you intentionally sabotage your own team. It seems you have an unstoppable urge to feel superior to other players and I think this is the problem at its core. My advice would be, to quote Ol' Teddy: "speak softly and carry a big stick". In this case, the big stick is your skill, and speaking softly is your treatment of worse players. Keep in mind there are many players who adhere to this: basically everyone except a few players that the forum is about.

Doesn't really change the fact you have been extremely vulgar and toxic judging by the screenshots. You should just man up and apologize and "improve" on your social skills, which is far more important than any game skill. I haven't seen you once take responsibility of the things you have said, but rather take your time to point fingers at others and trying to talk your way out of it. Which also shows how insensitive and inconsiderate you are about other peoples feelings. I think the insulted deserves some leeway when reaching its breaking point and making comments back to the insulter, although it not being ideal. But theres a fat chance you are here to troll, but you can certainly prove me wrong.

So i summarize: Shyft claims it is justified to excessively bully and insult other players, because they had a performance worse then him in an online GAME. He assumes, people who want to keep him out of the game do it because they feel hurt in their pride bc they cant live with others pointing out that they have made mistakes in an online GAME. Shift does not see that insults are actually hurtfull to most people and are therefore generally problematic and to be avoided. There has been no such insight as " I can just replace my insults with constructive criticism." I dont want to come up with a psychological diagnosis on that which i am not qualified to give, but i think there is just little hope with such an attitude that anything will change.

this is shyft speaking, i've spoken to stan already and he told me to create an account to speak on these forums. I was reluctant at first because i know whatever i say you all won't listen including mods. Even if i get unbanned, this will continue because people like wang wei, leopard and ginnugagap will still try to antangonise me in games so they can get a reaction out of me. Even if i stay silent in games when i join which is usually what happens, people will say 'ban shyft sierra, he is toxic, remove toxic player etc' even when i didn't say anything. And then you expect me to stay silent? It's just a vicious cycle and it has been for a long time. Also is it just a coincidence that i'm toxic to weak players and not strong players? We all know how this started. Weak players in tg ruin games for other players who are trying to win simply because they don't listen to advice and their stubbornness rather than their lack of experience or game knowledge/skills. That would naturally lead to my criticising them if they don't listen and they would usually respond in a bad/dismissive way which would eventually lead to insults. After many games like these, i get labelled as toxic while the other players come off as innocent. Everyone wants to say i'm toxic player which i admit i am, but they forget about how other players treat me. I'm only toxic to a group of people and sometimes people outside of that group because the people who antagonise me will make me angry and i will start being rude to others. All the people that complained about me in this thread and weak players and they don't want to admit it but it's true. If you are not delusional, you will agree and this is not me being rude or mean. I said before that i spoke to stan and i asked him to speak to user1. It's been 5 days now and apparently he still hasn't responded so i'm not expecting him to do so, he seems stubborn and will do as he wants. But if this was fair, the people who were antagonising me and toxic to me should also receive punishment like wang wei, leopard and ginnugagap.

Might be an idea, but all players, including the ones that are not registered in the forum should be aware of that IMHO. Screenshots might be useful but at the same time might be dangerous and be abused since they lack the whole context of the discussion. e.g. Player 1 insulting player 2 Player 2 insulting player 1 back Player 1 taking a screenshot of player 2 in-game discussion. Previous in-game messages of player 2 are not displayed. Now player 2 get all the blame even if player 1 started insulting player 2 + Someone might do fake screenshots So I would be extremely careful in how these screenshots get evaluated. I am not even sure a standalone thread should be public at all wrt. sending the screenshots directly to moderators. Just first naive thoughts about that

i'm not a racist, also last time we played was many months ago, i've only played with you once so you are in no position to comment what happens in all other games you play. You don't know how other players treat me so you are irrelevant in this topic. Also do you remember how you tried to ruin the game by resigning in my cc after refusing to help me? Stop trying to act innocent, you are the cause of problems not me. I'm only reacting to it. The only thing embarrassing is your gameplay and your inability to improve after months of playing. The reason why you don't have experience with those other players is because they are weak players like you that don't care about winning. You can't expect a weak player to complain about another weak player. Theres a reason why you don't play in any of the 'pro games' because you would simply ruin it for the people trying to win. That's why i never join any of your games and you only play with other weak players. Stick to playing with people of your level and you won't find any problems.

Rename the file adding ".zip" in the end which was removed for some reasons

@Pemulisa already gave already an explanation why politeness does not equal hypocrisy and why being direct does not equal being violent. Also I sense a lot of anger in your post. If it is the case, sorry for that, whatever it is the reason. I would also add the following from my side: 0. I stress that there is a BIG difference between being direct (honest?), being unpolite and doing a verbal aggression. The first is appreciable, the second might even be funny and useful to bound until a certain level. The third assumes a conflict and is at a whole different level wrt. the first two. As @Pemuliss said arbitrarly mixing the meaning of different words and expressions to prove a point is just plain wrong and leads to confusion. 1. We are not talking about people that use verbal aggression to fight abusive parents, employers, state officers or society and put themselves at risk doing so. We are talking about individuals, hiding behind anonymous profiles, that enjoy verbally assaulting people they don't know, knowing that, the only consequence of their action, rather light and ininfluential, is a ban from the game. Which almost never happen in the 0ad community btw. Such a ban doesn't have ANY monetary or social impact IRL and can be even circumvented. You call this "honesty", but I would rather call this "cowardice" and "childish behaviour". I bet that most of these coward people wouldn't raise a word against their parents/employers/state representatives IRL. I also found that many abusive people IRL do the same when they know there are no consequences for their actions and, at the same time, they are often the worst bootlickers towards authority. I luckily know many people that do not enjoy hurting others even if they would have the power to do that. 2. Judging the goodness of a person by just looking to the very limited interaction such a person has on 0ad is, to the very best, being superficial (even if e.g. racism IMHO gives at least an hint) 3. Even if you would have been true, and you are not, that {good => unpolite, bad => polite} I DON'T REALLY GIVE A darn WHEN I AM PLAYING 0AD. 0AD is not a place I joined to evaluate how "good" or "bad" people are (and I would say nobody should) but instead because I like playing the game and programming. I don't like these "honest-but-abusive" people so this is a good enough reason for me to avoid them. Does this make me and others bad in your extremely subjective world's view? Maybe, but again, I am sorry, I couldn't care less about that.

Hi @Norse_Harold. Could you please briefly explain what would this "private statement" mean? My interaction with that person lately is just ignoring and banning from my hosts - something other players also do (other "old" players can confirm this). This person is constantly joining games I play in (where I m not the host) and starts insulting me* (been a witness many times where he "miss-behaves" against other people too). Instead of directing people on how to act against people who extensively harash others, maybe you should find more drastic measures to avoid such people from playing the multiplayer version of game or at least making a permanent mute/ban (user side) without having to use a mod. You are mentioning 36 infractions in ~2months(!!!!). That is in Shyft_Sierra account only, there are like 3-4 more already mentioned in this thread cause "idiots ban me, so I use these accounts to deceive them". What is the limit / aren't you bored of muting? *I can give you a lot of example messages which I (we?) are supposed to remain calm, but since the iq probably hits the floor, they keep rotating around donkeys, Chinese people, mothers. [edit] Regarding reza_math; they are different people but probably related (I have even spectated a game with those two in the same team, just to see them losing. Was fantastic). Their behavior and insults are surprisingly identical but their play styles are different

You seem very confused @vinme, and some of your last posts border on sophistry. Imho there are two big mistake in your thought: when you talk about politeness, you are implicitly talking about being polite for purely utilitarian reasons. Which is just a 'subcategory' of politeness (or better, of hypocrisy); which ofc is a disgusting thing, but you cannot use critiques to it in order to attack politeness itself. They are different things, and of course a truly polite person is not polite for the sake of a manipulatory purpose. Your reasoning is misleading and starts from a fallacious point, 'cause nobody would ever use the word "polite" in order to refer to the things you are talking about. you believe that being direct and honest means to be brutal, and that such behavior is even admirable. This is something I've noticed very often, since many young people nowadays believe that the right to spontaneity means the right to be petty. I'm a big supporter of etiquette and I believe that people that deliberately ignore it tout court are lazy and intellectually sloppy. Following your feral self-centered pulses of domination and aggression doesn't make you a direct or honest person, otherwise we should say that all animals are honest beings. When my dogs bite my leg if I step too close to his food, should I consider myself honored with his honesty? Both JC and Shyft are simply violent like animals seeking for domination and opinionated like the worst delusional prophet, I really cannot believe you are doing this words-breakdance to justify the behavior of a person who says "you should have been aborted" when playing a videogame. I've always accepted both of them in my lobbies, I have no problems with them, but it's natural to admit that such conduct is embarrassing and pitiful especially for themselves in the first place. But unfortunately there's no scientific explanation for this, it's purely a matter of personal sensitivity, so maybe it's useless to talk about it.

this is experience. your citizen soldiers will gain experience by fighting, and a tiny bit by hunting. You can gain experience by garrisoning in barracks/stable. When the bar is filled, your unit will promote to the next rank with better fighting ability. melee units get health, armor, and damage with each rank, ranged units get more health and accuracy with each rank.

So a player like Shyft_Sierra, with all those mentioned behavior, sends "a private message to Stan that wang_wei verbally abused him", is your argument. Did that happen last couple weeks? If so, it's because I do not let him play in my games. Haven't played for some days. If you mean the last 5 days, no, since I have not logged in lobby (primarily because of attitudes like this person's). But if you mean last couple of months, yeah, he has been doing it constantly. No. You are just trying to conclude this to get this closed by "issuing a warning". Not more than any other player has done when replying to his insults I will send a message to Stan now in the lobby to tell him I have not verbally abused Shyft_Sierra (is there even a thing of lobby private messages for real?!). Then I guess we ll be fine with the specific mindset. That's all for me regarding this thread. See you (probably) in game PS: I have been playing this game since @elexis and @Hannibal_Barca times (maybe before 2016). This coincident of getting a "private message" about verbal abuse now seems a bit abnormal, doesn't it

Maybe such a room could be able to designate one of the observers to be a chat monitor and moderate the observer chat. If it's a 'safe-language' room maybe it could be required to appoint a chat monitor.

Well I guess its hard to communicate laughing at versus laughing in agreement via emoji. The bottom line is repeat offenders of racism, toxicity, and hate speech should be banned, and players should be able to mute others as they wish. More minor offenses can have some other more minor penalty. It is evident in screenshots and in this very discussion that there are minor offenders and very major offenders.

once again, i agree. You could feel the supremacy in his comments. Being good doesn't mean stumble on bad players. If a player is in your team and not playing well, there are better ways to let the person know instead of insulting. I completely understand where you are coming from @shft. A little dip of politeness could change everything when trying to talk to a player that's playing bad in your team. Simple Politeness Theory negative politeness strategies: performed to avoid offense through deference ( in most cases this is you) positive politeness strategies: performed to avoid offense by emphasizing friendliness. Most players will gladly listen to you if you talk to them in the right way. Like the attachment above: as far as the people you are dealing with are okay with it, nobody will stop you. When a player is not okay with it , thats when to limit it. After all nobody is trying to change your behaviour. The main aim is protecting the community itself cause there are children 13 and below who also play the game

it's funny reading all you cry, that's all you can do, instead of crying you could all focus on improving your gameplay but you choose not to, you don't realise you are the problem lol, just because it's me vs you guys doesn't mean you are in the right, it just means that noob players outnumber the strong players in 0ad. And if you are going to post any screenshots of in game toxicity, better to include all chat rather than cutting out the bits you want so you can hide certain things, of course you won't do that. noobs will stick up for other noobs

The Syracusans are a Greek faction known for their innovation, cultural contributions, and energetic history. They tussled with the Carthaginians, Athenians, and Romans for control of Sicily. For a time, Syracuse was one of the largest, most powerful Greek states in the Mediterranean basin. The famous mathematician Archimedes was a son of Syracuse and helped his city with many inventions and mathematical innovations. In the game, they are a "Greek City-States" faction (Hoplite-focused army, a buildable Stoa, etc.), but with a "Successor States" access to the Library ("Archimedean Academy"), Siege Weapons, and Quinquereme warship. Also, instead of suite of possible Heroes at the start of the match, the player is given the choice of which political system to follow, Aristocracy, Democracy, or Tyranny, with each choice unlocking its own champions, heroes, and technologies.

Exactly! Even then why should we respect a person with this kind of attitude?

This plus the fact that we are not even playing an ultra-competitive game like Starcraft-I/II / LOL / DOTA or else with hundreds thousands (100.000s) active users and a lot of paid competitions (and I would bet this player would be pretty mediocre totally a noob wrt. the strongest professional players of these games since , said player, is not even at the top of the 0ad ranking). We are talking about a game, mainly driven by hobbyists, with a rather small community(1-max-2 hundreds active players?), that might have something else to do instead of playing day/night 7/7 and training micro/macro. Because, you know, there are other things in life as @leopard said like: job, studies, other hobbies, friends to meet, a family to take care etc. etc.. Maybe they should win an SCII DreamHack or a GSL competition. In that case I might admire or respect them for their superior game ability LOL²

looks like it, this can only go worse like in the games.

I suggest you to ignore them @leopard. It is clear that they are provoking other users to react and start a flame..

my words are here in the forum thanks to @seeh for posting it and I did not run away I am still talking you mentally challenged @shft New players start as weak and they might stay like that if they don't try to learn how to play also powerful players don't share lot of secret tricks they use to gain an upper hand over players of same level. If we want new players for 0AD existing players should not insult new player. People are not very desperate to participate in 0AD even if it is simply playing game, There is a sanskrit PHD friend I have and I asked help to put sanskrit voice to Maurya Civ He just don't care! people who come here to play 0AD are someone who care about Free and open source software. If we insult people like this people will not stay for 0AD, They have better things to do like improving their real life.

@Stan` @user1 it all start like this If you don't want 0AD forum full of d words f words f wording peoples parents please just please, you cannot solve this problem. some problems are not meant to be solved.

If so many people dont want you in this community anymore, why you haven't considered yet to leave? None want you here. This is bothering for us all, for us that have to deal with you, but also for you that have to insult and argue with so many people each time you play. Why you dont just find another community to harrass?

Please. Cut it. That's embarassing. Last game we played together you insulted me, my nationality and my family for 3 minutes, flooding the chat with insults, without giving to me ANY "precious" advice before or after. How this could help me improving?? AND I DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONVERSATION WITH YOU BEFOREHAND!! You are equating criticism with verbal aggression my dude. But even if I or others are "guilty" of ruining one of your games, does this allow you to act like a toxic racist? And even with that, if you think some players are too weak for a certain game, you can just exclude them from playing or improve the balance of the TG. This happens all the time and you are well aware of this. EDIT: I played many games with @leopard @Ginnungagap and @wang_wei without having the same experience I had with you. Strangely enough, you are the only one that assaulted me verbally in one of the few games we played together(probably I could count them on the fingers of a single hand). Isn't it funny?

I think it is important to remember that in a team game there is usually only one of these people and 7 others who are there to have a good time. The offenders are out-numbered and if we all demonstrate unity against the verbal abuse then it can help. Issues can arise when the offenders use the natural competition of two teams as a way to ensure they are not singled out as being an offender. An interesting case to think about is when an offending player refuses to unpause the game in order “win” some argument. I have only witnessed it a couple times but I think it’s outlines the difference between people who play 0ad for fun and people who take things too far.

In what fantasy world are you living in?

I would suggest with major balance change, mechanic or civ introduction ratings should be reset

Word.

Ah! Então realmente foram removidos dessa nova atualização?

i thought of this too, resetting ratings every alpha would be better. Most 2000+ players do not move on unless they find a player >= 1900 to play with. Lorenz123 left the game years ago and somehow still remains in top 100 till now, i think he's in top 15. This is because higher players needs to play with other higher ranked players in other to get good ratings. If there's no higher ranked player to play with, the leaderboard is just stagnant. I bet 80% of the top 100 players are offline for years, making it hard for the leaderboard to move as its supposed to

i completely agree, recently bought AOE4 for $45 or so and instantly regretted. It's just too realistics doesn't feel more like an rpg. I bet 0ad is way better as compared to AOE4 from my POV. Faster and competitive games, requires smart approaches and fast thinking to overcome opponents, that's what RPG is all about. In AOE you cant use a scout to gather food, women can take forever to gather etc. The only best thing about AOE4 is their graphics. If we are to compare 0ad with AOE4 headon, i definitely would say 0ad stands out. About time people should get to know 0AD #0adtotheworld

Last two 0 A.D. presentations (In french)

I wouldn't mind anyway, a reset would be nice. I think there could be a reset with every new alpha, like a new season.

Happy Sunday

I'm hopeful that Shyft_Sierra is trying to change his own behavior. And, the same for leopard, wang_wei and Marre-Vrickad.

@shftThanks for posting here. It took courage to do that. You've explained some of your perspective in this issue. I can see that leopard and wang_wei aren't being honest when they say they're not doing anything wrong. They did admit to insulting you at least once. Also, you're not being honest when you say that all you've done is criticize unskilled players, tell them how to improve, then they insult you and want to ban you from their games. We can control our own behavior, but we can't control the behavior of others. I see the three of you blaming others for your own behavior. That's not being honest, and it's not going to help us move toward a resolution of the conflict. Shyft_Sierra, if you're extremely motivated to help newbies, then you can do it in a respectful manner with zero insults. You can think of yourself as a Buddhist monk who has eternal patience and composure and is gradually teaching newer players in an extremely respectful manner how to reach Zen. I say that you are allowed to change your conduct in-game in the future to be respectful. And, I hope that leopard and wang_wei will agree.

Hello dude I have been called names and abused and my family members were insulted multiple times and and It has been happening for months I think almost a year he started by asking whether he can do oral sex to me and tried to get into their gay gang I kept calm and ignored but the problem is other player also cheer up this dude on insulting me, they think I am noob and a I don't deserve to play 0AD even if so called OP player won't abuse you, they enjoy me getting abused multiple times and still they prefer players like shyft_sierra in games than me so even if I report to anyone it is not going to make any difference, also this dude insult me racially and it never ends every time this dude come to game he starts insulting so I think keeping quite and absorb the hatred and anger will cause the production of too much of bad hormones inside my body and eventually make me sick so I insult this dude back so he feel sick too, IF I TRY TO KEEP CALM HE IS ENJOYING THE WHOLE PROCESS AND I AM GETTING AFFECTED MENTALLY AND PHYSIOLOGICALLY. I know people who commit suicide because of online bullying and this is not a cycle we can end by keeping our mouth shut. I am from India and people calling me @#$% and dump all the time make me feel I should commit suicide or die because I feel stupid living this world run by white people and living in complete disadvantage. This is pure arrogance that cause this kind of people talk like this because they know their race own the world and I will keep insulting this guys using worst words and worst scenarios possible I am choosing to fight against this arrogant people I don't mind getting banned from playing 0AD. 0AD will loose one player and I will get rid of an addiction and I will understand there is no point trying to collaborate with people Capitalism Wins all the time.