jvd Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 Some heroes do not have any bonuses to their civilization. Here are the heroes with no bonus; Civ: Sparta Hero: AGIS Civ: Mauryas Hero: Chandragupta Maurya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapjas Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) On 30/06/2022 at 3:03 PM, jvd said: Civ: Sparta Hero: AGIS Expand He has bonus health IIRC nvm he doesn't, the other one i'm not sure. Edited June 30, 2022 by Grapjas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player of 0AD Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 Because the devs messed it up. In A23 Agis had double health and Chandragupta could train champion archers, but then the devs changed the game and forgot about this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thephilosopher Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 More broadly, it might be worth analyzing hero usage and consider cutting from 3 to 2. imo, most civs have at least one hero who rarely/never gets used. My play has been largely limited to two civs, admittedly, but with both of them (Spartans and Seleucids) I only ever use two heroes. Other players seem to do about the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 30/06/2022 at 3:15 PM, Player of 0AD said: Because the devs messed it up. In A23 Agis had double health and Chandragupta could train champion archers, but then the devs changed the game and forgot about this Expand How has that not been changed back several versions later? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 I would recommend making these useless heroes super strong units by themselves: Chandragupta becomes a super elephant with 2400 health Agis becomes a super infantry with 2000 health. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freagarach Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 30/06/2022 at 3:17 PM, Gurken Khan said: How has that not been changed back several versions later? Expand Obviously because the devs messed up. And obviously not because no-one proposed patches for them as "the devs" are usually not the ones with balancing knowledge. Sorry, but I feel mentioned every time someone says "the devs". 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapjas Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 30/06/2022 at 3:58 PM, Sevda said: Chandragupta becomes a super elephant with 2400 health Agis becomes a super infantry with 2000 health. Expand No thanks, heroes have to much health as is. Be more creative. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 30/06/2022 at 4:05 PM, Freagarach said: Sorry, but I feel mentioned every time someone says "the devs". Expand Same. And I'm not even developing anymore... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 I feel that we need more heroes who can train units, like Kuruş. So I suggest: Agis trains skirmishers or helot slingers Chandragupta trains more elephants? Of a weaker version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 30/06/2022 at 4:05 PM, Freagarach said: Obviously because the devs messed up. And obviously not because no-one proposed patches for them as "the devs" are usually not the ones with balancing knowledge. Sorry, but I feel mentioned every time someone says "the devs". Expand With devs we mean Freagarach. Joke. if something is removed, something else must be proposed, to balance. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 30/06/2022 at 5:43 PM, Sevda said: weaker version? Expand Battle elephants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreakfastBurrito_007 Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) Agis 3: infantry +15% movement speed 45 m radius and +1 pierce armor 45 m radius (He died from a javelin +sad) but also maybe it means he was fighting against ranged units which might justify the aura. It seems he commanded some mercenaries but sparta has no mercenaries to work with such a bonus. Chandragupta I liked the unit training function of chandragupta, but I am not sure if eles fit the bill. It would be a bit more awkward to see a whole ele pop out. I do think it would be epic to have a batch of like 5 eles training and then they pop out as soon as hero reaches the fight XD. Edited June 30, 2022 by BreakfastBurrito_007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 30/06/2022 at 5:43 PM, Sevda said: Agis trains skirmishers or helot slingers Expand Maybe Agis could unlock a merc tec, or be able to train mercs as long as he lives. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find out what kind of mercs he brought to the battle at Megalopolis. I think for Chandragupta something with war eles would be fine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapjas Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) Maybe the historians know something heroic about these 2 and we can give them abilities instead of an aura. @Genava55 @Ultimate Aurelian@Thorfinn the Shallow Minded Thought for Aegis 3: he becomes stronger the more isolated he is from allies. (since he managed to still kill some while being alone) OR Increased attack while being below 50%(?) hp. Edited June 30, 2022 by Grapjas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 30/06/2022 at 6:18 PM, Grapjas said: Increased attack while being below 50%(?) hp. Expand İnteresting idea, I like it. On 30/06/2022 at 6:18 PM, Grapjas said: he becomes stronger the more isolated he is from allies. Expand Dance party 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 Agis III at the battle of Megalopolis: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015008158407&view=1up&seq=21 On 30/06/2022 at 6:08 PM, BreakfastBurrito_007 said: I liked the unit training function of chandragupta, but I am not sure if eles fit the bill. It would be a bit more awkward to see a whole ele pop out. I do think it would be epic to have a batch of like 5 eles training and then they pop out as soon as hero reaches the fight XD. Expand "Strabo (XV, 724) gives the treaty between Seleucus and Chandragupta, in which Seleucus ceded certain provinces and gave the Indian a daughter or niece, receiving in return 500 elephants." https://www.jstor.org/stable/626263 that's the motivation for the bonus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapjas Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) On 30/06/2022 at 7:32 PM, Genava55 said: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015008158407&view=1up&seq=21 Expand So he actually didn't kill anyone in that final stand like Wiki says? He just held his ground very well considering all circumstances. Edited June 30, 2022 by Grapjas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 30/06/2022 at 8:36 PM, Grapjas said: So he actually didn't kill anyone in that final stand like Wiki says? He just hold his ground well considering all circumstances. Expand If you read the beginning of the page, it says: "Agis, on seeing this, with the royal cohort, which was made up of his bravest men, I. plunged right into the dangerpoint of the fight, and cutting down those who resisted most bravely..." There is also the account of Diodorus Siculus, suggesting in this case he did kill some enemies: Diod. 17.63.4: An interesting event occurred in connection with Agis's death. He had fought gloriously and fell with many frontal wounds. As he was being carried by his soldiers back to Sparta, he found himself surrounded by the enemy. Despairing of his own life, he ordered the rest to make their escape with all speed and to save themselves for the service of their country, but he himself armed and rising to his knees defended himself, killed some of the enemy and was himself slain by a javelin cast; he had reigned nine years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapjas Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 30/06/2022 at 8:47 PM, Genava55 said: but he himself armed and rising to his knees defended himself, killed some of the enemy and was himself slain by a javelin cast; he had reigned nine years. Expand This is the final stand i meant. The other source mentions he defended himself and threw back the javs that were thrown towards him but not that he made any kills. I guess the sources fullfill each other then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player of 0AD Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 Agis could get a 100% attack speed bonus for himself. So he is twice as strong as other infantry heroes again like in A23, and a super funny raiding unit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real_tabasco_sauce Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 On 30/06/2022 at 6:18 PM, Grapjas said: Increased attack while being below 50%(?) hp. Expand maybe a smaller radius of increased armor and damage while below 50 percent HP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real_tabasco_sauce Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) On 04/07/2022 at 9:48 PM, Player of 0AD said: Agis could get a 100% attack speed bonus for himself. So he is twice as strong as other infantry heroes again like in A23, and a super funny raiding unit Expand This could be the second feature of the hero, with the primary being a loot bonus, or this: On 04/07/2022 at 10:41 PM, real_tabasco_sauce said: On 30/06/2022 at 6:18 PM, Grapjas said: Increased attack while being below 50%(?) hp. Expand maybe a smaller radius of increased armor and damage while below 50 percent HP. Expand Edited July 4, 2022 by real_tabasco_sauce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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