alre Posted June 4, 2022 Report Share Posted June 4, 2022 the queue is several months long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarcoma Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 On 03/06/2022 at 10:55 PM, Norse_Harold said: On June 3rd, 2022, around 11:35 pm UTC, Some players were apparently colluding to boost the rating of certain players. Also, @defc0n was leaving lobby, rejoining and changing nick repeatedly 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 @user1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1General Posted June 11, 2022 Report Share Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) I confirme this case when i see anothers games today after his game 1x1 with me. Edited June 13, 2022 by 1General Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 You can zip it too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e.v Posted August 29, 2022 Report Share Posted August 29, 2022 On 27/08/2022 at 10:58 AM, Stan` said: You can zip it too Of course! I hadn't even thought about that! How foolish ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RitaJenkins Posted September 21, 2022 Report Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) Mhm i dont remember quitting i think you quitted alot of more times than i did but this time we played normal and i won :-) I hope you don't mind when i share a platform for MOD APKs & Premium Apps. All is free! Go to mod apk app and enjoy! Edited September 22, 2022 by RitaJenkins note Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norse_Harold Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 @user1guanajato was throwing rated matches in rapid succession to give cronelius points. [2023-01-28 17:47:34+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1673 -> 1681) and guanajato (1424 -> 1415). [2023-01-28 17:48:22+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1681 -> 1689) and guanajato (1415 -> 1407). [2023-01-28 17:49:22+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1689 -> 1696) and guanajato (1407 -> 1399). [2023-01-28 17:50:12+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1696 -> 1703) and guanajato (1399 -> 1392). [2023-01-28 17:51:57+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1703 -> 1710) and guanajato (1392 -> 1385). [2023-01-28 17:52:24+0000] Basiliskos: @user1 [2023-01-28 17:52:53+0000] Basiliskos: @user1 [2023-01-28 17:54:15+0000] Basiliskos: guanajato giving cronelius free points [2023-01-28 17:54:18+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1710 -> 1716) and guanajato (1385 -> 1378). [2023-01-28 17:55:02+0000] cronelius.: Guanajato is troll [2023-01-28 17:55:10+0000] Basiliskos: stop playing with him so [2023-01-28 17:55:14+0000] Basiliskos: he give u points [2023-01-28 17:55:15+0000] Basiliskos: a lot [2023-01-28 17:55:18+0000] Basiliskos: a lot of matchs There might be additional abuses prior to this, as I had joined the lobby just before the start of this excerpt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossenburg Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Norse_Harold said: @user1guanajato was throwing rated matches in rapid succession to give cronelius points. [2023-01-28 17:47:34+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1673 -> 1681) and guanajato (1424 -> 1415). [2023-01-28 17:48:22+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1681 -> 1689) and guanajato (1415 -> 1407). [2023-01-28 17:49:22+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1689 -> 1696) and guanajato (1407 -> 1399). [2023-01-28 17:50:12+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1696 -> 1703) and guanajato (1399 -> 1392). [2023-01-28 17:51:57+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1703 -> 1710) and guanajato (1392 -> 1385). [2023-01-28 17:52:24+0000] Basiliskos: @user1 [2023-01-28 17:52:53+0000] Basiliskos: @user1 [2023-01-28 17:54:15+0000] Basiliskos: guanajato giving cronelius free points [2023-01-28 17:54:18+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1710 -> 1716) and guanajato (1385 -> 1378). [2023-01-28 17:55:02+0000] cronelius.: Guanajato is troll [2023-01-28 17:55:10+0000] Basiliskos: stop playing with him so [2023-01-28 17:55:14+0000] Basiliskos: he give u points [2023-01-28 17:55:15+0000] Basiliskos: a lot [2023-01-28 17:55:18+0000] Basiliskos: a lot of matchs There might be additional abuses prior to this, as I had joined the lobby just before the start of this excerpt. Indeed, he does have about 20 multiple accounts. Cronilius, el_gallo_desplamando etc from which he harvest ratings to his main account. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norse_Harold Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 You mean el_gallo_desplumado and/or el_gallo_desplumaduo ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norse_Harold Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 More thrown matches to inflate the ratings of el_gallo_desplumaduo and cronelius. [2023-01-30 20:36:21+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1587 -> 1597) and guanajato (1402 -> 1392). [2023-01-30 20:36:49+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1597 -> 1606) and guanajato (1392 -> 1382). [2023-01-30 20:37:16+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1606 -> 1615) and guanajato (1382 -> 1373). [2023-01-30 20:38:18+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1615 -> 1623) and guanajato (1373 -> 1364). [2023-01-30 20:38:41+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1623 -> 1631) and guanajato (1364 -> 1356). [2023-01-30 20:39:01+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1631 -> 1638) and guanajato (1356 -> 1348). [2023-01-30 20:39:23+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1638 -> 1645) and guanajato (1348 -> 1340). [2023-01-30 20:39:48+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1645 -> 1652) and guanajato (1340 -> 1333). [2023-01-30 20:40:10+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1652 -> 1658) and guanajato (1333 -> 1326). [2023-01-30 20:40:54+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1658 -> 1664) and guanajato (1326 -> 1319). [2023-01-30 20:41:14+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1664 -> 1670) and guanajato (1319 -> 1313). [2023-01-30 20:41:38+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1670 -> 1676) and guanajato (1313 -> 1307). [2023-01-30 20:42:46+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1676 -> 1681) and guanajato (1307 -> 1301). [2023-01-30 20:43:07+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. el_gallo_desplumaduo won against guanajato. Rating Adjustment: el_gallo_desplumaduo (1681 -> 1686) and guanajato (1301 -> 1295). [2023-01-30 20:44:25+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1716 -> 1729) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1686 -> 1673). [2023-01-30 20:44:48+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1729 -> 1741) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1673 -> 1661). [2023-01-30 20:45:14+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1741 -> 1753) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1661 -> 1649). [2023-01-30 20:45:43+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1753 -> 1764) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1649 -> 1638). [2023-01-30 20:46:07+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1764 -> 1775) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1638 -> 1627). [2023-01-30 20:46:30+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1775 -> 1785) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1627 -> 1617). [2023-01-30 20:46:50+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1785 -> 1795) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1617 -> 1607). [2023-01-30 20:47:15+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1795 -> 1804) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1607 -> 1597). [2023-01-30 20:47:40+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1804 -> 1813) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1597 -> 1588). [2023-01-30 20:48:02+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1813 -> 1821) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1588 -> 1579). [2023-01-30 20:48:28+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1821 -> 1829) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1579 -> 1571). [2023-01-30 20:48:50+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1829 -> 1836) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1571 -> 1563). [2023-01-30 20:49:36+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1836 -> 1843) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1563 -> 1555). [2023-01-30 20:49:59+0000] Ratings: A rated game has ended. cronelius. won against el_gallo_desplumaduo. Rating Adjustment: cronelius. (1843 -> 1850) and el_gallo_desplumaduo (1555 -> 1548). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceaser2 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 rebello8 left my game less than 1 min in and I think I would of won and would there for like a small rating increase. My name: Caesar2 Offender: rebello8 Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceres Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 Hello! I never played online (only on our home network), so am very likely not entitled to suggest something here, but maybe you allow me nevertheless. How about offering players to star well-behaving other players? Those with a good reputation would be preferred gaming partners and others could be simply ignored. Again, please accept my sincere apologies if I wrote nonsense here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted February 11, 2023 Report Share Posted February 11, 2023 On 10/02/2023 at 9:45 AM, Ceres said: How about offering players to star well-behaving other players? Those with a good reputation would be preferred gaming partners and others could be simply ignored. They parents have educated them better. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 @Norse_Harold I recommend you ignore him, because he just likes earning rating points, perhaps just to convince hosts to let him play, which is sad as many new players are prevented from playing in TGs. Now he is obviously a smurf and just getting some approval, so just let him be. He will stop when his rating reaches his estimated. If you don't like him just don't let him join your games but I've played with this dude before and he was a nice person and a strong teammate, only slight imperfection was he couldn't understand English well. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norse_Harold Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) 22 hours ago, Yekaterina said: I recommend you ignore him, because he just likes earning rating points I'm not going to ignore flagrant rule violations. See lobby rules 7 and 8 7. Not attempt to artificially adjust any user of the service's rating or any of the statistics which impact it. (Examples of this are, but are not limited to: cheating in ranked games, reverse engineering the service, and taking advantage of other users of the service. 8. Not undermine the intended gameplay or purposefully gain unfair advantages in multiplayer matches (for example cheating, using exploits or bugs). When cronelius setup ranked matches between two users that he controlled that was gaining an unfair advantage in multiplayer by rigging the matches. It was also an artificial adjustment of his rating. There are good reasons for the rules. They help to protect the integrity of ranked matches. They also help to quickly identify the minimum age of an account based on the number of ranked matches. Many or most players are not online at the time of the rigged ranked matches, so they don't have an awareness of what's happening in order to identify that some ranked matches were rigged! And, how can you expect players to know this when you're asking me to not even post in this thread with the evidence? Integrity of statistics about the number of (legitimate) ranked matches is important for more than just gauging player skill. It also helps to identify which users have invested more in their accounts than other users. This is useful for identifying main accounts of players and linking player reputation to those names. Please do not ignore players that are boosting their ratings and number of ranked matches by playing rigged games. Please report them as soon as possible. See something, say something. Thank you. Edited February 19, 2023 by Norse_Harold 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 @Norse_Harold First of all, I think the purpose of 0ad as a computer game is to entertain it's players who are willing to spend their precious time on it. As long as he is enjoying it and is not harming anyone else, he deserves his freedom. I argue that he is not affecting anyone else in doing that, because no one else lost or gained any ratings at all. So you should just play your own game and enjoy yourself instead of wasting your own time on him. I have some questions about your post: Wouldn't your rule 7 suggest that any ranked match can be an artificial adjustment of the rating system? Any rating change can be argued to be artificial. For example, if I play with someone whom I know to be weaker than me just to farm ratings from him, is that a violation? What would you say about custom rating mod? What is the issue with changing their rating? I can cover up my rating with that mod, but most OPs know me so it's not a problem at all. Similarly we all know about Cornelius, he is a valuable player of rating 1800, capable of fast boom and crossbow push with the Hans. Whatever he does with the ratings will not affect our knowledge of him, and hence will not give him an advantage. You talk about rigging the matches. He is playing with himself, so the settings are very much whatever he wants, just like playing against AI. He is not cheating in a game against anyone else. If you want some ratings, just go do the same yourself! But we all know you are approximately 1300 and I would never stop you or treat you differenly if I see you change your number to 1500 or 900 or just some stars. Neither you nor him cannot gain an unfair advantage by having higher or lower ratings if we all know how you play. The players who can think of this idea and execute it are no noobs, so it's obvious that they are a smurf and we will take it into consideration when balancing TG. Finally, it's just a game. Give it a rest and let people have the freedom to enjoy themselves. Don't turn the lobby into an exam hall or a Fascist country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossenburg Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 14 minutes ago, Yekaterina said: I argue that he is not affecting anyone else in doing that, because no one else lost or gained any ratings at all. hi @Yekaterina i understand your point but "farming rating" is like breaking 2 rules he agreed to comply when registering an account in the game. That is - making multiple accounts, and trying to gain ratings by farming from the secondary account. If ratings wasn't that important, i'm not sure it will have been added in the first place so i somehow disagree @Yekaterina. Before making an account we do agree to comply with some rules governing the game (which everyone that has account clearly did), Terms of Service, Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. To maintain fair gaming environment the rating system was introduced to evaluate rookies from pro players. A pro player playing against a rookie to gain point is totally okay so far as the rookie agreed to play. My point is, it might seem okay to some people but as far as he agreed to these rules before creating an account, and intentionally breaking those same rules he agreed to comply with shouldnt be allowed right? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sternstaub Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) It would probably be good to hear what the guy in question has to say on the matter? @Yekaterina even if the behaviour should have been okay, we should provide space for discussing this anyway. I do not know how old the rating system is, but like anything in development, it cannot be expected to be perfect - so it is a good thing to look a bit into how people do exploit it. And certainly there are different opinions about which issues do pose a problem and which do not. Only after talking about the matter, a consensual problem definition can be given precisely enough to find a elgible solution. Personally, i do think that having people boost their accounts is undesirable. To be honest, the idea of smurfing to 0ad is unfathomable for me in the first place. Edited February 19, 2023 by sternstaub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 @Norse_Harold what exactly do you plan to do to cronelius? In addition, I would like to request @Stan`to voice his opinions on the matter: 1. Is Cornelius actually "flagrantly violating the rules" as accused 2. Should the rules be changed? The current statements are quite ambiguous in English and some are inappropriate as of now. Maybe you should write some revised editions in a superior language, Français, then we try to translate it. 3. What should happen to cronelius and others who farm ratings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 @rossenburg I understand and agree with your argument of it being a violation of defined rules. Now, the issue seems to be with whether the rules were set appropriately, as the activity of players are retrained so tightly. Some rules about the lobby seem to be outdated. Regarding ratings, it had been very reasonable for A23 or earlier as the players with higher ratings were generally better. Nowadays, ratings means nothing because: 1. Anyone can come back with a second account, tell the community who they were and we immediately know they are around 1800 even though the rating number says 1200 2. There are many players who play only team games and not rated 1v1s. Examples include reza-math, Ginnungagap, NoobDude, SaidRdz. Their ratings numbers are misleading and they have done nothing wrong in not playing rated 1v1s. On the other hand, there are players who play many 1v1s only against weaker players and they have stacked up a huge number despite still being weak as they learnt absolutely nothing in the process. 3. Even if players play rated 1v1s, their win/loss often fail to register. This could be caused by one player leaving without resign, or, simply a bug in the ratings bot. It happened to me on more than 1 occasions. Not everyone bothers with reporting 4. @Mentula has made the amazing localratings mod which generates a much more reliable rating than what the lobby bot can give, based on TGs and not just 1v1s. Many thanks to Mentula. 5. Since everyone knows the lobby rating is useless, they don't care about it and the system gets worse. I am surprised that an OP player cronelius would acutally waste his time on that. I am also providing you with an easy solution which I had proposed many many times in the past 2 years, and it is simple: COUNT ALL GAMES INTO A PLAYER'S PROFILE!!! so we know who is an experienced TG player and who is truly new @rossenburg I believe this should be a trivial task for your programming skills. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.O.A.T Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 Smurfs strikes back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norse_Harold Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Yekaterina said: First of all, I think the purpose of 0ad as a computer game is to entertain it's players who are willing to spend their precious time on it. As long as he is enjoying it and is not harming anyone else, he deserves his freedom. If the matches were unranked then I would agree. Unfortunately, they were ranked, so I disagree that he is not harming anyone else by rigging ranked matches. In addition to what I wrote earlier, I will point out that the value of maintaining the integrity of ranked stats is more than just the rating. The value is also the number of ranked matches that have been played. That represents a real time investment, considering that matches usually require at least 15 minutes, sometimes much more. It's easy to create new accounts, but it's not easy to build up substantial ranked statistics, provided that we enforce the rules about not rigging matches. If we don't enforce the rules about rigging ranked matches then it means that the time investment that people have put into their ranked stats has almost no value, whether for honor or for proving that one has invested in an account. When one has invested in an account then one is less likely to engage in severely disruptive behavior. You see, this goes way beyond the simple issue of rigged ranked matches inflating one's rating. 6 hours ago, Yekaterina said: Finally, it's just a game. Give it a rest and let people have the freedom to enjoy themselves. Don't turn the lobby into an exam hall or a Fascist country. Sorry, but what you wrote here is an ad hominem logical fallacy. Anyway, the rules have very good purposes, and you've completely ignored those purposes so far in the conversation. 5 hours ago, Yekaterina said: 1. Is Cornelius actually "flagrantly violating the rules" as accused 2. Should the rules be changed? The current statements are quite ambiguous in English and some are inappropriate as of now. Maybe you should write some revised editions in a superior language, Français, then we try to translate it. 3. What should happen to cronelius and others who farm ratings. How many ratings violations before you would agree that cronelius is flagrantly violating the rules? When you looked at the evidence that I posted, did you see any examples of rule violations? How many did you see? If you think that the rules should be changed, then that's a separate conversation that should be in a separate thread. In fact, this isn't even the correct thread for this conversation. Anyway, go ahead and propose rule changes. In the meantime, WFG staff are expected to enforce the rules. What I think should happen to cronelius is that the rules should be enforced the way that they are written. Anyway, the only moderation capabilities that I have are mute and kick. So, it's up to user1 to decide what course of action to take. I think that he will want to conduct an investigation first. Please share evidence that you may have, whether demonstrating rule violations or demonstrating rule compliance. Edited February 19, 2023 by Norse_Harold 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norse_Harold Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Yekaterina said: I am also providing you with an easy solution which I had proposed many many times in the past 2 years, and it is simple: COUNT ALL GAMES INTO A PLAYER'S PROFILE!!! Cool idea. Realize that development work can take months or sometimes years to finally get merged into the code base. In the meantime I expect WFG to be enforcing the rules the way that they are written. Edited February 19, 2023 by Norse_Harold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Norse_Harold said: How many ratings violations before you would agree that cronelius is flagrantly violating the rules? When you looked at the evidence that I posted, did you see any examples of rule violations? How many did you see? If you think that the rules should be changed, then that's a separate conversation that should be in a separate thread. In fact, this isn't even the correct thread for this conversation. Anyway, go ahead and propose rule changes. In the meantime, WFG staff are expected to enforce the rules. Thanks , defcon has explained to me why what he did doesn't comply with the rules and now I understand 1 hour ago, Norse_Harold said: What I think should happen to cronelius is that the rules should be enforced the way that they are written. And precisely what is that? I cannot see a corresponding punishment specified in the rules. Muting doesn't help because he didn't say anything. If you mute him then he will feel confused and possibly angry, instead of remorse. Kicking doesn't help neither because he doesn't know why. You have to explain it in Spanish to him. So the best way is to remove the points he farmed, if that pleases you and your rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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