===[TASK]=== Greek Unit Texture (General Thread)

[Stan`]

@wackyserious leather looks a bit flat to me, maybe you could add more depth to it by using drop shadows / the burn tool.

[Lion.Kanzen]

Looks fine.

[Sundiata]

@wackyserious I love them, especially that Kausia cap is really cool (you'll use it for some of the Macedonian and Seleucid units as well?).

One awkward question though: Those double stripes on the tunics, what's the reference? A quick google search only turned up one similar example (with thinner stripes) from a secondary source. I'm not sure, but I think those are closely associated with Roman tunics, not Hellenistic ones... Maybe a slightly different variant is in order, to distinguish them, like only one stripe on the left or right side, or something. I don't know. 

ok, scrap that, I found a Hellenistic reference, from Sidon, Lebanon, but it does show much thinner stripes, different from the Roman looking example in your texture. Maybe just narrow the stripes a little.

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Edited December 6, 2017 by Sundiata

[wackyserious]

@stanislas69 I will try to do that

@Sundiata Indeed, I also checked the reference from the Macedonian fresco, it was in fact more narrow, I will adjust it a little more. Thanks.

[wackyserious]

By the way, that kausia cap is made by @stanislas69, I just recolored the texture to create a white one and a player color one

If the Art department would approve the designs that I proposed, in my game copy the Diadochi has infantry that uses the kausia cap.

Edited December 6, 2017 by wackyserious

[Stan`]

Looks like something that could be committed yes. What units should have it ?

[wackyserious]

Still has to go a lot of discussions with the active community and other team members, IMO ]

Stan, can you add variations to your kausia cap?

The kausia cap has to be more prominent and resemble a shield.

You should submit your sling bags for review too

[Stan`]

@wackyserious you mean make a new one ?

For the bag I'll probably commit it when we commit those textures 

[wackyserious]

No, just a little adjustment to create another variant, the crown or the top part or the crown should be wider, larger and more prominent.

[av93]

On 6/12/2017 at 9:53 AM, wackyserious said:

@wowgetoffyourcellphone @Lion.Kanzen @Sundiata

I need your opinions regarding the straps and belts. Is it too much battle gear?

 

Macedonian or seleucid? Seleucid right? It would be cool to differentiate at first glance all units of different civilizations, even the ones that share cultures. They look very distinctive to the other Hellenic pikemen.

Edited December 8, 2017 by av93

[Lion.Kanzen]

1 hour ago, av93 said:

Macedonian or seleucid? Seleucid right? It would be cool to differentiate at first glance all units, even the ones that share cultures. They look very distinctive.

The Slinger are mercenaries from Judea. Hellenized of course.

Edited December 7, 2017 by Lion.Kanzen

[Phalanx]

On 12/6/2017 at 3:53 AM, wackyserious said:

 

 

 

If these are Seleucid, it always bothered me that the Seleucids had the Scarab on their thureos.  I believe we removed the Ptolemaic Eagle from the "pool" of logos the Seleucids could get, and I'm pretty sure @Lion.Kanzen made a Seleucid logo for the thureos, but I can't remember if it has been committed or not...

[Stan`]

@Phalanx It wasn't

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

For shield textures, see DE.

 

As far as straps they look fine to me.

Edited December 8, 2017 by wowgetoffyourcellphone

[Stan`]

@wowgetoffyourcellphone I'll try to have a look. It's hard to extract stuff from your mod sometimes.

[Lion.Kanzen]

4 hours ago, Phalanx said:

If these are Seleucid, it always bothered me that the Seleucids had the Scarab on their thureos.  I believe we removed the Ptolemaic Eagle from the "pool" of logos the Seleucids could get, and I'm pretty sure @Lion.Kanzen made a Seleucid logo for the thureos, but I can't remember if it has been committed or not...

Isn't a logo its symbol. logo its more corporate meaning. probably @wackyserious can deal with it.

[Lion.Kanzen]

 

[wackyserious]

Minus the thureos symbols, these look will be associated mostly to the Hellenistic era greek veterans and settlers of the Diadochi factions.

Earth-toned variations matching the current game texture for the basic thureos spearman.

I was able to reuse parts of some of the current game textures after downsizing to 256x256.

[Lion.Kanzen]

You have right with the hat, look like sailors.

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I can give the symbol in a svg file

[Phalanx]

I like the nice new brown tunic.  The old one just always bothered me for some reason, the stripe looked weird.  But I love these new ones!! Great job!  

[wackyserious]

We need some community feedback.

@wowgetoffyourcellphone @Nescio @Lion.Kanzen

These textures are intended to be used for the Ptolemaic Royal Agema (Champion pikemen)

I tweaked the existing .psd file for the Ptolemaic linothorax in the art/resource

Edited March 18, 2018 by wackyserious

[Prodigal Son]

They all look nice, but for gameplay reasons I'd stick with one colour theme per unit, perhaps with minor variations. Maybe the white or bronze one, or a mix of the two (maybe the white shoulder-pteryges on the bronze version), as the less intrussive ones to the various possible teamcolours.

[asterix]

Yea I also agree with Prodigal Son (i would not mind having all of them, they look incredible), so the white one(silver) or the bronze one could be used but I would personally pick the bronze one for Ptolemais because of the aesthetic reason.

[Imarok]

18 minutes ago, Prodigal Son said:

They all look nice, but for gameplay reasons I'd stick with one colour theme per unit, perhaps with minor variations. Maybe the white or bronze one, or a mix of the two (maybe the white shoulder-pteryges on the bronze version), as the less intrussive ones to the various possible teamcolours.

Shouldn't there also be some player color?

And for the remaining color: that could be the different ranks.

[Prodigal Son]

4 minutes ago, Imarok said:

Shouldn't there also be some player color?

And for the remaining color: that could be the different ranks.

Was talking about their main body armor part (here as red, purple, white, bronze) not their entirety. Actually I think player colour (that's what I meant with teamcolour) is generally lacking on most 0 A.D. units, or mixed with other dominant colours that are often used as possible player colours as well, for example here, red. The unit won't look as good clad in full red and the same is true with various possible colour combinations.

While it's not the most historical approach, I think units have to be easily readable, with clear shapes and colours. A single dominant colour as the player colour, then mostly metallic, white-ish and possibly other pale colours for the rest of the skin. Things can change with ranks (although I think example unit here has no ranks) but I'd still keep them somewhat similar to the basic unit.