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Megasthenes fragment XXXV (probably his Indica) indicating the use of turret. https://books.google.ch/books?id=i-y6ZUheQH8C&pg=PA178&lpg=PA178&dq=mauryan+tower+elephant&source=bl&ots=t8X0TwP8hD&sig=ACfU3U0_r3EGDXrViyJ30t5D_vUv0LpSDQ&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwir7NnjnuXpAhWew8QBHaKNDlYQ6AEwC3oECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=mauryan tower elephant&f=false https://books.google.fr/books?hl=fr&lr=&id=FDCgPDe9OgAC

There are reliefs representing war elephants in ancient India, but I don't think there is any turret: https://www.ancient.eu/image/8567/magadhan-and-mauryan-arms-and-armour/

I agree: Romans first encountered elephants in battle in 280 BCE, when Pyrrhus, king of the Greek region of Epirus, invaded Italy with an army of 25,000 men and 20 war elephants. The Romans recorded the appearance of the animals on some of the heavy bronze ingots they used as currency at the time. Pyrrhus established his base at the Greek city of Taras, which placed a small image of an elephant below a dolphin rider on its silver coinage. https://coinweek.com/ancient-coins/elephants-ancient-coins/

Mmm I am being a nerd here but I find sad they put random "scientific" things for the research in any building. For example the chemical structure appearing is the Glyceraldehyde 3-phosphate... this is related to the Calvin cycle in photosynthesis. They should have put the chemical structure of something in use at this time. Sulfuric acid, diethyl ether, any kind of soap, potassium nitrate. Edit: the same for the math, why putting an integral in there...

Is it possible to do it with a hero's aura (aoe) ?

Caesar account (book 5) during Ambiorix' revolt.

First page of the thread. Of the current topic.

Your welcome Edit: by the way I added new books in my message on the first page in case you are interested @wowgetoffyourcellphone

Documentary mostly giving evidences from the Alemanni Small documentary about the Frankish warrior during the 5th century AD: Some footage from the place:

Germanic Shield Combat https://www.patreon.com/posts/37656473

True but ancient authors tell us that people faked Tyrian purple with indigo, and probably also by mixing different pigment.

Torcs weren't in use by Germans and weren't found in Germanic context. It is possible they would have been accepted as a gift however the torcs have no meaning for them. Maybe it is instead the Kronenhalsringen? Or even the Roman phalerae with smaller torcs? Good question. Generally the few representation of Germanic women didn't represent their costume like this. In the case of the Portonaccio sarcophagus, a woman shows her breast only because her sleeve/strap is down.

"like now" probably not. Northern Sahara knows an increasing trend of desertification that is due from a very long term change itself due to global and regional climate changes as you pointed out with the cycle of humid and dry periods, however the trend is still going. Furthermore, the rise of pastoralism accelerated the trend of desertification up to the modern period when a more productive agriculture started with the colonization. This further accelerated the desertification. Anyway I wasn't suggesting the elephants were everywhere in Northern Sahara. It is simply that a huge number of ecosystems were connected during the African Humid Period, with steppes, lakes and forests. Since this period ended between 4000 and 3000 BC, there was indeed a rapid change in the Sahara transforming the landscape in a desert but they were actually still remaining ecosystems in the margins at the end of the bronze age. Notably in West Africa where the change is less abrupt and close to the Tibesti mountains like in the case of the Lake Yoa. It took millennia for these ecosystems to completely collapse. So I have personally the hypothesis that elephants were still present in remaining pockets of these ecosystems during Hellenistic times (like the Atlas mountains woodland at the foothills but not only). Maybe these elephants are simply smaller because of insular dwarfism.

Ok thanks for the clarification. I thought the term was used for tribes at the West of Nile as well, closer to the Tibesti Mountains, but I was wrong. I found really weird they distinguish coastal and interior elephants from really further lands if there is no difference between them. There is also evidence for elephant remains in Northern Tunisia during the 9th century BC: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352409X16302693

Maybe I am confusing with Caesar account in book 6: Probably a reference to transhumance.

Thx. Seems an interesting article and I will read it later. The thing I found particularly interesting is the mention of Troglodytic elephants, which could be an adjective for Libyan elephants. Herodotus did mention elephants previously in Lybia but his concept of Lybia is less clear than for later historians. It is interesting to have literacy evidences for elephant in North Africa and not only the neolithic carvings in Atlas mountains and skeletons from Tibesti in the Lybian desert dated from late bronze age and iron age. Yeah me neither. I wasn't sure about this opinion as well. This is why I asked your opinion, you know better than me the classical sources. And against the Gauls in southern France, Ahenobarbus used elephants against the Arverni and the Allobroges (121 BC).

@m7600 Don't take personally the previous messages from Lion.Kanzen. English is not his mother tongue, he didn't express well his intents. He wasn't trying to be rude.

There is also evidence in Tacitus account for pastoralist nomadism in their societies.

@Nescio do you know the Adoulis inscription? Another question, in this article the author wrote: "Notice the absence of the turret, which could only be used on Asian elephants (Elephas maximus)." Do you think it is correct? https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0752/8/4/160/htm Edit: with the terracotta found in Pompei from your excerpt of Bar-Kochva's book, I am not sure it is correct. That makes sense. It is the case with ancient horse as well. Iron age horses were smaller than medieval and modern ones but were actually belonging to the same species and are not related to Przewalski's horse or to Exmoor ponies.

Elephant Size in Antiquity - DNA Evidence and the Battle of Raphia http://www.steiner-verlag.de/fileadmin/Dateien/Steiner/Zeitschriften_Historia/Historia_2016_1_53-65_Charles.pdf To give an idea of the actual size of an Indian elephant:

Well I agree in general with your suggestion but isn't it already the idea? 0 A.D. Empires Ascendant to be the base game and expansions to add new civ from 1 to 500 AD? The day 0 A.D. reaches the beta phase it would be an interesting topic and debate but until then... it is pointless.

In Bar-Kochva (1976) on the Seleucid Army: So it seems that Persian archers and Neo-Cretan archers are the most credible possibilities.

I remember this thread on twcenter: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?778511-Syrian-Archers-and-Europa-Barbarorum-2 Edit: in EB2 the Seleucids can recruit them https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Kamandar_i_Pars_(Persian_Archers) https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Kamandar_i_Pahlav_(Parthian_Foot_Archers) https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Aryanag_Payadag_(Eastern_Iranian_Archer-Spearmen) https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Eranag_Payadag_(Western_Iranian_Archer-Spearmen) https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Thanvabara_Katpatuka_(Anatolian_Archers)