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I am not quarreling. You made a claim, and I asked for sources, that's all. This is common procedure in projects that strive for historical accuracy (like 0 AD). Usually when someone makes a proposal for a change that relates to historical accuracy here, people ask for references. That is perfectly reasonable, as otherwise how can people know that the claim is substantiated? Consider for instance what happened to the Europa Barbarorum project. For years they added content to their mod based on the say-so of a team member who they trusted because he was a friend. That team member claimed to do primary research in an Irish monastery. When that person was asked for sources, he would tell that his research was too bleeding edge for there to be published sources, and other reasons. Eventually people caught up that he was inventing things wholecloth, and that him being a researcher in an Irish monastery was a lie. For a project to protect itself against such things (or against innocent misinformation), it is important to ask for sources. I am NOT saying that that is the case with you, note, I'm only mentioning the story to emphasize the relevance of sourcing.

in the super old videos of 0ad I noticed that there was an entire different soundtrack before the soundtrack we know today was composed, does anyone know where to find it? better yet, does anyone know where I can find the super classic version of the game to see how the game changed over time?

Since you're asking: Hom. Il. 10.156: αὐτὰρ ὑπὸ κράτεσφι τάπης τετάνυστο φαεινός. The word you're looking for is ὁ τάπης: carpet, rug, spread on seats and beds; Attic variants are ἡ τάπις and ἡ δάπις. The word is possibly of Iranian origin. The diminutive is τό τᾰπήτιον, other derivatives include ὁ τᾰπητάριος (carpet-weaver or carpet-merchant), ὁ τᾰπητέμπορος (carpet-merchant), ὁ τᾰπῐδῠφάντης (carpet-weaver), τά τᾰπῐδῠφαντικά (proceeds of tax on carpet-weavers), and ὁ τᾰπῐδύφος (carpet-weaver). Ὁ τάπης entered Latin as tapēs, from which it entered modern European languages (e.g. English tapestry), either directly or via French. Hom. Od. 10.352-3: τάων ἡ μὲν ἔβαλλε θρόνοις ἔνι ῥήγεα καλὰ πορφύρεα καθύπερθ᾽, ὑπένερθε δὲ λῖθ᾽ ὑπέβαλλεν The word in question is τό ῥῆγος: rug, blanket, used as a covering of a bed or of a seat, and made from wool (τό λίνον (related to English linen) is the word for anything made out of flax). Xen. Anab. 7.3.18: τούτους μὲν οὖν οὕτως ἔπειθεν. αὖθις δὲ Τιμασίωνι τῷ Δαρδανεῖ προσελθών, ἐπεὶ ἤκουσεν αὐτῷ εἶναι καὶ ἐκπώματα καὶ τάπιδας βαρβαρικάς, ἔλεγεν ὅτι νομίζοιτο ὁπότε ἐπὶ δεῖπνον καλέσαι Σεύθης δωρεῖσθαι αὐτῷ τοὺς κληθέντας. οὗτος δ᾽ ἢν μέγας ἐνθάδε γένηται, ἱκανὸς ἔσται σε καὶ οἴκαδε καταγαγεῖν καὶ ἐνθάδε πλούσιον ποιῆσαι. τοιαῦτα προυμνᾶτο ἑκάστῳ προσιών. Again ὁ τάπης. Xen. Anab. 7.3.27: ἄλλος παῖδα εἰσάγων οὕτως ἐδωρήσατο προπίνων, καὶ ἄλλος ἱμάτια τῇ γυναικί. καὶ Τιμασίων προπίνων ἐδωρήσατο φιάλην τε ἀργυρᾶν καὶ τάπιδα ἀξίαν δέκα μνῶν. Again ὁ τάπης. Diogenes Laertius V.72: [...] καὶ τῇ γυναικὶ αὐτοῦ Ῥοδιακῶν ζεῦγος, ψιλοτάπιδα, ἀμφίταπιν, περίστρωμα, προσκεφάλαια δύο τὰ βέλτιστα τῶν καταλειπομένων [...] Here the words are ἡ ψῑλί-τᾰπις: a smooth carpet, a carpet without pile; ὁ ἀμφι-τάπης: rug or carpet with pile on both sides; and τό περί-στρωμα: covering of a bed.

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Sorry, I am really busy this month. You are totally right, thank you. I will do it. Ok, I will arrange it like this. Do not hesitate to criticize even this aspect, they are suggestions as well. No. The word for the sling or the slinger is not known in Gaulish, it is debated. The word I used come from EBII and it is clearly a reconstruction from a suspected proto-indo-european root with some features of the celtic languages. But since the new version of EBII that has come out the last month, they have changed again the name of the celtic slinger. Even so they have some very good linguists, it seems to be a difficult subject. Your logic is flawless. Iron rusts and it is clearly more difficult to preserve it. I will even add that the iron scabbards are even fragile, they flex easily when the sword is not in it. Clearly a possible problem during a battle. BUT We have found hundreds and hundreds of scabbards in Europe, most of them are in iron, some are in bronze or bronze+iron. None are in leather. Sheath in wood are found but only during the Gallo-roman period, indicated a transfer of roman technology like the sheath of Stanwick. Just an example with the location of La Tène in the Lake of Neuchâtel in Switzerland, we have found 120 scabbards. None of them were in leather or in wood while the conditions were good enough to preserve numerous wooden tools and dishes. Then when all the evidences say the contrary, even if the logic is good, we must admit that the assumption is incorrect. In fact the reason is known, we are modern peoples with a modern mind focusing on efficiency. We should not forget that the weapons have other meanings than killing tools. These objects have a lot of cultural meaning and they fit in a society with a hierarchy and strict rules. Here are the tools and other objects in wood from La Tène (some are replica from casting plaster):

Let me add a little to that headache... My ancient Greek is like, super rusty , so maybe you guys, @Nescio & @Anaxandridas ho Skandiates can explain the mention of carpets in these English translations? As we probably all agree, they wouldn't have been common. But that's not being challenged. Just the idea to remove all of them, as opposed to using them only where appropriate. Homer, The Iliad (Hom. Il. 10.115) http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0217:book=10:card=115 Homer, The Odyssey (Hom. Od. 10.8) http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0218:book=10:card=8 Horatius Flaccus (Horace), The Works of Horace (Hor. S. 2.6) http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.02.0063:book=2:poem=6 Xenophon, Anabasis (Xen. Anab. 7.3) http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0202:book=7:chapter=3 That last one is particularly interesting as it even mentions the actual monetary value of that particular carpet ("ten minas"), quite expensive... Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers (D. L. 5.4) http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0258:book=5:chapter=4 This was also interesting: http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/carpets-vi

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Don't make yourself look childish. You want others to change something, your claim is challenged, and Andrettin politely asked for more information. The burden of proof is on you; shouting is not going to help. Exactly. Yes, the Iliad and Odyssey are two of the greatest works of literature and are certainly worth reading. However, they're written down c. 700 BC and are therefore not useful for 0 A.D.'s timeframe (500–1 BC). However: Which proofs rugs existed. Which shows the Greeks knew of their existence. Also, Aristophanes Ecclesiazusae contains a scene (311 onwards) where an ordinary Athenian citizen goes outside to defecate in the morning, but because he couldn't find his own clothes, he takes his wife's (317–319): […], λαμβάνω τουτὶ τὸ τῆς γυναικὸς ἡμιδιπλοίδιον, καὶ τὰς ἐκείνης Περσικὰς ὑφέλκομαι. “I took this semi-foldover of my wife's and pulled on her Persian slippers.” And when his neighbour spots him and asks what he's wearing, he answers (331–332): οὔκ, ἀλλὰ τῆς γυναικὸς ἐξελήλυθα τὸ κροκωτίδιον ἀμπισχόμενος οὑνδύεται. “No, I've come out wearing my wife's little saffron number that she usually puts on.” No, there are no rugs mentioned here, however, this scene indicates that it was not uncommon for ordinary 4th C BC Athenian citizens to have luxury products such as dyed cloth and imported Persian goods. In parts of Egypt, India, and other areas where rain is rare, days are hot, and nights cool, it is not unusual to sleep on the roof, which also explains why the rooftop is flat and why carpets might be not inappropiate there. (To clarify, I'm not claiming rugs were common.)

Can we keep it civil please ? The aim of this game is also to share knowledge. Also we don't know how long everyone will be there so having books to rely on when asked in the future is nice.

Found a later revision now, should have all of the pre-Omri tracks.

Took a closer look, and there are some more here: https://trac.wildfiregames.com/browser/ps/trunk/binaries/data/mods/public/audio/music?rev=8402 (though the win/loss tracks were not made by Boris Hansen, but by Allan Brown @dariusofwest iirc).

I actually made my own album of Boris Hansen's music awhile back. I called it: "0 A.D. - The early years." I used the old menu screen for the album art. Track List: 0ad Main Theme (very different from current theme - nostalgic to me) Carthaginian Battle 1 Carthaginian Battle 2 Germanic Peace 1 Germanic Peace 2 Germanic Peace 3 Hellenic Battle 2 (Not sure what happened to Hellenic Battle 1 or if it even existed) Persian Battle Persian Peace Roman Battle Roman Peace Roman Defeat [edit] Sadly, I think I made that ugly ingame GUI in your screenshot. It was a different time... [edit 2] @feneur I don't see the Carthaginian or Persian tracks in your link.

Used to be might be a strong word as I believe only the Roman defeat one was ever created, but it seems to have been the idea indeed =) (Unless it was meant to be played after a lost battle, but that seems like it might have been too complicated, so I would assume it indeed means defeat as in a lost match )

I don't see the old music there though. There is some here: https://trac.wildfiregames.com/browser/ps/trunk/binaries/data/mods/public/audio/music?rev=7389 don't remember if there was any more than that made before Omri joined the team and created new music.

Can't you run the application or a match? (So do you see the mainmenu?)

any plan to make AI can build a wall in another version of alpha 24~N? how about AI can build a wall on their edge of territory. well, im not very good at programming but i wish to see AI build a wall just like an iberians start or around it's Fortress/ Civic Center.

As I've mentioned a few days ago on IRC, I'm also working on a battalion system. We might be able to share ideas and code, if you don't mind. I've only had a brief look at your code on github. I might want to copy parts of it, especially the battalion selection code. Is that OK for you? I've uploaded the current state to github: https://github.com/Yves-G/0ad/tree/BattalionSystem Feel free to copy if you find anything you can use. It's still very experimental and unfinished in the current state. There's a demo map included with (currently) just two melee battalions that can attack eachother.

The skybox has been improved in the dev version. You might want to try it. As for your initial question not to my knowledge however you might be able to do what you want if you have a height map. I'm not sure you can export and import ones in Atlas. If you can you just have to change the levels and reimport the height map. If not you'd need to write a script to change all the height in the PMP file and that will probably meds your map up.

I don't know a lot about the Gauls, but one of things you mentioned is the idea that the scabbard should be made of iron. The primary function of a scabbard is to protect the sword and to make it easier to transport. Iron rusts, and an iron scabbard would surely not be effective for transportation in weather. While I'm sure iron scabbards may exist, I don't expect them to be as prevalent as bronze, wood, or wood-cored leather.

@stanislas69

Could you split up your list by phase, to make it easier to read? E.g.: Gauls: village: spearman javelinist cavalry javelinist town: ... city: I suppose you mean Proto-Celtic?

Best to add this to the first post and make an evolving design. Don't want to have to search this discussion to find the roster.

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I liked that over a year ago when Millennium A.D. was more in an alpha state. Today the mod is in a playable state. Most of the bugs are fixed and the artist did a great job with the models (buildings, units etc.). I really like immersing into the early middle ages. However, this experience gets interrupted every time I have to select a faction or I load a map (map hints). Furthermore, I would like to see more new civilizations added to Millennium A.D. through mods. The Arabs and Slavic civilizations would be outstanding. Maybe there is even the possibility of adding the Khmer Empire. I am not saying that will happen in one day. However, I think it is time to make 0 A.D. factions invisible by default in the selection dialog. Mostly so that people loading the mod, but do not know which factions are part of Millennium A.D. are not getting confused. Advanced player and developer should be able to make the 0 A.D. factions visible in the selection dialog.