Introducing the Official community mod for 0 A.D. Empires Ascendant

[BreakfastBurrito_007]

1 hour ago, Helicity said:

The solution is: after we get a good melee damage value relative to ranged, we multiply the damage of everything by a factor 0.5

That is very close to what has been done by @real_tabasco_sauce. Although not quite a factor of 1/2.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

1 hour ago, Helicity said:

after we get a good melee damage value relative to ranged, we multiply the damage of everything by a factor 0.5.

 

23 hours ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

Well its not really a pure buff, but a rebalance:

• reduce melee armor.
• infantry melee units slightly faster.
• increase melee damage.
• decrease ranged damage.

 

I did this, but with 0.75, which handily maintains the current total damage by combined armies.

https://gitlab.com/real_tabasco_sauce/0-a-d-community-mod-unit-specific-upgrades/-/compare/main...melee_buff?from_project_id=36954588&straight=false

[Yekaterina]

43 minutes ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

https://gitlab.com/real_tabasco_sauce/0-a-d-community-mod-unit-specific-upgrades/-/compare/main...melee_buff?from_project_id=36954588&straight=false

How can I test the effect of this?

 

[real_tabasco_sauce]

use version two. Its not easy to get proper play testing together, so thats why it will hopefully be a community mod change.

Edited April 14, 2023 by real_tabasco_sauce

[Thorfinn the Shallow Minded]

7 hours ago, Helicity said:

Exactly, the Greeks would derogate the Persians in any way they can since the Persians were their enemy and the Greeks won the battle. In reality, the Persian soldiers might not have been as fragile as the Greeks claimed.

Regardless of bias, Persians did in fact field highly effectual heavy infantry: Greeks.  The use of Greek mercenaries is quite apparent when you look at cases such as (prince) Cyrus employing 10,000 hoplites or Darius III making use of Memnon's company.  

[Yekaterina]

4 hours ago, Thorfinn the Shallow Minded said:

Persians did in fact field highly effectual heavy infantry: Greeks.  The use of Greek mercenaries is quite apparent when you look at cases such as (prince) Cyrus employing 10,000 hoplites or Darius III making use of Memnon's company.  

Let Persians train these Greek units in the form of mercenary?

 

[Thorfinn the Shallow Minded]

13 hours ago, Helicity said:

Let Persians train these Greek units in the form of mercenary?

Basically, yes.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

Community mod version 6:

• Melee/Ranged rebalancing
  • Melee units: +50% damage, less armor
  • Ranged units: -25% damage (roughly the same damage vs melee because of reduced armor)
  • Buildings and siege adjusted for higher hack damage
  • Melee infantry slightly faster 9.5 ms base movement speed.
  • clubmen get a small hack attack so they have fighting use.
• Non random building ai
  • Buildings target closest units by default
  • click to target units and select rally point on unit
  • ctrl click to just set rally point to unit
  • Accuracy for cc and forts reduced.
• Han fixes:
  • poison arrows tech cost changed to 1200 food 1200 metal
  • Fields easier to place
• Elephants get a splash attack
• Maury Heros:
  • Chanakya: doesn't need to garrison for tech discount, slightly lower discount.
  • Chandragupta: global ele bonus for speed and attack rate, local armor bonus for all soldiers
• Catapults smaller range and gain a splash attack

Edited January 30, 2024 by real_tabasco_sauce

[Player of 0AD]

11 hours ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

Community mod version 6:

• Melee/Ranged rebalancing
  • Melee units: +50% damage, less armor
  • Ranged units: -25% damage (roughly the same damage vs melee because of reduced armor)
  • Buildings and siege adjusted for higher hack damage
  • Melee infantry slightly faster 9.5 ms base movement speed.
  • clubmen get a small hack attack so they have fighting use.
• Non random building ai
  • Buildings target closest units by default
  • click to target units and select rally point on unit
  • ctrl click to just set rally point to unit
  • Accuracy for cc and forts reduced.
• Han fixes:
  • poison arrows tech cost changed to 1200 food 1200 metal
  • Fields easier to place
• Elephants get a splash attack
• Maury Heros:
  • Chanakya: doesn't need to garrison for tech discount, slightly lower discount.
  • Chandragupta: global ele bonus for speed and attack rate, local armor bonus for all soldiers

Does anyone know how to download version 26.4 manually? "Downloading" 26.6 just *updated* the mod, so I can't watch my old replays now anymore -.-

[Feldfeld]

8 minutes ago, Player of 0AD said:

Does anyone know how to download version 26.4 manually? "Downloading" 26.6 just *updated* the mod, so I can't watch my old replays now anymore -.-

Yes check here

 

[Player of 0AD]

11 hours ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

Community mod version 6:

• Non random building ai
  • Buildings target closest units by default
  • click to target units and select rally point on unit
  • ctrl click to just set rally point to unit
• Maury Heros:
  • Chanakya: doesn't need to garrison for tech discount, slightly lower discount.
  •  

Why removing the bonus for allied buildings where you garrison Chanakya?

And why not the other way around: ctrl click  to target units and select rally point on unit etc 

Reason: In most cases you just ungarrison units on rams, but you don't want to shoot at them.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

@Player of 0AD thanks for the suggestion. I could do it the other way. This is just the way that was first suggested to me. On the other point, I found that the healing ability was mutually exclusive with the ability for the hero to provide a discount, which isn't ideal.

I can certainly make changes, but I would probably just make them for a27 rather than make a new community mod release.

Edited January 29, 2024 by real_tabasco_sauce

[real_tabasco_sauce]

@Player of 0AD

https://mod.io/g/0ad/m/community-mod

Click "other versions" in the bottom right.

Edited January 29, 2024 by real_tabasco_sauce

[Player of 0AD]

1 minute ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

@Player of 0AD

https://mod.io/g/0ad/m/community-mod

Click "other versions" in the bottom right.

I managed to reinstall 26.4, but somehow the old replays are not shown anymore. How is that possible?

[real_tabasco_sauce]

did u restart? Also be sure to disable 26.6 first. U might also need to check the folder name in case the zip file from mod.io hasn't given it a new name (like community-modXqu8.zip or something)

[chrstgtr]

5 hours ago, Player of 0AD said:

Why removing the bonus for allied buildings where you garrison Chanakya?

To be honest, I never knew this existed. With that said, I think that removed bonus isn't very useful. 

On the Chanakya changes, I think they are an improvement overall and a pretty big buff to Chanakya because of how he can save a player thousands in resources and time via techs. However, I think the changes highlight how much better Chanakya's bonuses are than Cunobeline's bonus. Cunobeline has the benefit of being more difficult to kill and can attack himself. But Cunobeline is otherwise worse in every single way (res to make, time to make, lack of eco bonus, and a more a more expensive/time consuming building to produce from. I would nerf Chanakya's healing bonus and/or come up with a cool extra bonus for Cunobeline. 

[Player of 0AD]

5 hours ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

did u restart? Also be sure to disable 26.6 first. U might also need to check the folder name in case the zip file from mod.io hasn't given it a new name (like community-modXqu8.zip or something)

Yes I restarted 0AD

And yes I made sure that the zip file is named community-mod.zip

As I said I reinstalled 26.4 that way and it works, but replays and savegames are lost, any idea why?

[chrstgtr]

48 minutes ago, Player of 0AD said:

Yes I restarted 0AD

And yes I made sure that the zip file is named community-mod.zip

As I said I reinstalled 26.4 that way and it works, but replays and savegames are lost, any idea why?

Check to see if you still have the replays on your HD.

I had the same error until I made sure that the folder name for the old mod was "community-mod." Once I change the folder name and enabled the old community mod I could see my old replays. 

[Player of 0AD]

1 hour ago, chrstgtr said:

Check to see if you still have the replays on your HD.

I had the same error until I made sure that the folder name for the old mod was "community-mod." Once I change the folder name and enabled the old community mod I could see my old replays. 

Thanks a lot, this seemed to be the problem. Let's hope everything works now as I renamed the new folder to communit-mod-6

[Feldfeld]

Finally something is done about melee/ranged balance

Maybe I'll try it out this weekend

[Lion.Kanzen]

2 hours ago, Feldfeld said:

Finally something is done about melee/ranged balance

Maybe I'll try it out this weekend

Since A15 the balance of troops was chaotic.

 

And it never took seriously the role of the units or the historical function on the battlefield.

 

That's why that balance was better thought out in DE since it was conceived.

 

But now for the first time without hard counters it has reached the same kind of quality.

[BreakfastBurrito_007]

There are many proposed ideas for adjusting non-random buildingAI for better gameplay outcomes, I'm gonna list some here:

• reduce max arrow count in cc
• random arrows for cc and fort, but keep non-random for towers
• increasing arrow damage with phase or blacksmith tech (ranged damage)
• fixed ranges for buildings, or adjust the default range so that it matches the current default+bonus for a flat map.
• random arrows default, player click focuses arrows.

I've noticed that the primary change is that the cost/benefit analysis of diving under the cc to get kill is much more complicated now, it used to be that you would only trade hp that would eventually make you need to heal your units in the cc. Now that there is an immediate threat (units actually die) from the cc, a rusher needs to make sure that what they do under the cc is worth losing at least one unit.

At the same time rushers and rush defenders are learning ways to distract and focus cc fire respectively. It's good to see players developing skills to maximize their results for both defense and offense in these scenarios.

 

Edited February 6, 2024 by BreakfastBurrito_007

[chrstgtr]

10 minutes ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:

random arrows for cc and fort, but keep non-random for towers

I’m still learning/adjusting my thinking, but right now, I think this might make sense. I’d like to see how a rush on the wood line works when someone 2x towers it, esp when it is an inf rush. 

For various reasons, I’m not liking any if the other ideas you mention. 

13 minutes ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:

At the same time rushers and rush defenders are learning ways to distract and focus cc fire respectively.

I don’t think I’ve heard any complaints about focus fire, which is a feature long overdue imo. 
 

18 minutes ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:

I've noticed that the primary change is that the cost/benefit analysis of diving under the cc to get kill is much more complicated now

I have really big concerns about this right now. 

I additionally have really big concerns about it making gameplay too turtle-ly late game because a player cannot stand under CCs/forts for any real amount of time, so melee taking out a CC is much harder and defenders can take out rams too easily. 

[real_tabasco_sauce]

thanks for the suggestions. I will collect the suggestions (and also observations from games) and put together an update in a while. Depending on timing with respect to a27 release candidate(s), it might take the form of another community mod release.

If that is the case, I will probably add in something like this: https://code.wildfiregames.com/D5232

and maybe a couple other a27 features that need more testing.

[axi]

I reported this in bug section already, but as Im guessing it might relate to newest community mod version I will link here