Introducing the Official community mod for 0 A.D. Empires Ascendant

[Outis]

I believe it is only in certain biomes like temperate

[Gurken Khan]

51 minutes ago, Outis said:

I believe it is only in certain biomes like temperate

mkay...?

[BreakfastBurrito_007]

I like the additional stone miners and I think it should be done for metal too. The issue is if you only have 1 metal mine your rate of metal gathering is capped, but with 2 mines you can have more than 24. Raising this level to 48, or even 36, would give players time to expand to other sources, which would make the single source mineral less disadvantageous.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

On 21/01/2023 at 4:26 PM, Gurken Khan said:

I just noticed that large stone quarries have double the worker slots as metal mines; is that intended?

In the game or in the mod?

 

EDIT: Only the one stone template, temperate_large_02, has 48 gatherers. I think because its oblong shape. I personally think all "small" ores and rocks should be 10 gatherers and all "large" ones 30. 

Edited January 23, 2023 by wowgetoffyourcellphone

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

On 05/01/2023 at 10:13 PM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Macedonians

"Naval Arms Race"

• Unlock the Hexeres heavy warship for Macedon

No takers one this one.

[chrstgtr]

10 hours ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:

I like the additional stone miners and I think it should be done for metal too. The issue is if you only have 1 metal mine your rate of metal gathering is capped, but with 2 mines you can have more than 24. Raising this level to 48, or even 36, would give players time to expand to other sources, which would make the single source mineral less disadvantageous.

The difference has been around for a little bit now (a25?). 

Having extra res always gives benefits. Extra metal mining slots also opens up potential for mercs to be abused, which not all civs can do (really a problem with mercs). Same with military techs and champs. I’m fine with it metal being capped. 

Extra stone slots means slinger civs aren’t disadvantaged vs civs that only need wood, which isn’t capped and generally available on all maps. I’m fine with some stone having extra slots. 

It adds some nuance that I’m fine with. But I think most people would adjust to whatever number of slots are permitted so long as stone gets at least like 20 on the initial stone. 

[Stan`]

Hey guys any opinions on https://code.wildfiregames.com/D4908 ?

[Gurken Khan]

7 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

In the game or in the mod?

In the game with the community mod.

7 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

EDIT: Only the one stone template, temperate_large_02, has 48 gatherers. I think because its oblong shape.

I guess it's oblong, although the shape didn't occur out of the ordinary for me.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

8 hours ago, Gurken Khan said:

I guess it's oblong, although the shape didn't occur out of the ordinary for me.

Also, keep in mind when these numbers were made up (probably by me at some point), unit collisions were a loot larger than they are now. Which is why I fully support looking into deciding on new numbers.

One thing to keep in mind is as others have mentioned that there are gameplay concerns where you probably don't want a player to be able to throw 100 gatherers at a mine and get 3000 metal in 2 minutes flat or other such scenarios.

 

But yeah, some new gatherer numbers for A27 community mod could be what the doctor ordered. 

[real_tabasco_sauce]

an additional row of soldiers looks great on walls:

This was just a quick test, so I only did it for the Athens long wall, but I think it would work for all the other walls too.

https://code.wildfiregames.com/D4914

Edited January 29, 2023 by real_tabasco_sauce

[BreakfastBurrito_007]

I think some kind of lobby message would really help expose more of the community to the mod, perhaps a short intro to the mod and a list of the top 1-5 most popular changes would make people interested enough to get it. It could be an automated message when players join the lobby. 

[Stan`]

3 hours ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:

I think some kind of lobby message would really help expose more of the community to the mod, perhaps a short intro to the mod and a list of the top 1-5 most popular changes would make people interested enough to get it. It could be an automated message when players join the lobby. 

It's doable but popups are a bit spammy.

[alre]

16 hours ago, Stan` said:

It's doable but popups are a bit spammy.

right now they are way better than not doing anything. the lobby is divided between different versions of the game and this hurts the project. 

[BreakfastBurrito_007]

1 hour ago, alre said:

right now they are way better than not doing anything. the lobby is divided between different versions of the game and this hurts the project. 

I find that its not too much of a problem when you have plenty of mod hosts and plenty of vanilla hosts. I occasionally join 0ad in my morning in Pacific time and find it to be devoid of community mod hosts. I think this is because the main promoters of the mod play in my afternoon time and haven't been there in the morning to hype it up.

I am thinking it would just be part of the popup message that plays just when you join 0ad lobby, so it would not be too annoying.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

Hi @Stan`, @wraitii,

What will the plan be for updating the community mod with the a27 simulation files? I presume that wall change is one of the last changes to these files, so conceivably the repository could be setup for a27 even before the actual release right?

This way I could start putting some ideas together — Melee damage increase, han crossbow nerf, unit specific upgrades, siege tower capture attack, maurya hero aura, crush armor adjustment. I could also get @borg-'s sparta ideas in the community mod.

[Stan`]

Well we probably have to first determine if it was a success or not. People like @alre and few others and some dude that got mad at us on Facebook have a point, this might have divided the community. And while our statistics show that the number of active players hasn't decreased, I've noticed a lack of people in the lobby which I hope isn't because of that.

If we do continue another mod will be created so that the A26 can continue to exist. One could argue that it could be another branch but I'm afraid the current set up will become more complicated than anything. So, we'll see.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

9 hours ago, Stan` said:

Well we probably have to first determine if it was a success or not. People like @alre and few others and some dude that got mad at us on Facebook have a point, this might have divided the community. And while our statistics show that the number of active players hasn't decreased, I've noticed a lack of people in the lobby which I hope isn't because of that.

If we do continue another mod will be created so that the A26 can continue to exist. One could argue that it could be another branch but I'm afraid the current set up will become more complicated than anything. So, we'll see.

I see. I would say most players saw it as a success, probably because of the faster turnaround on new content.

With regards to splitting the community, I think this could be improved going forward. The primary reason to play the community mod (at least early on) was because of its bugfix for the Han farming techs. Because of this, the community mod became the default version of the game for a large group of players. So, subsequent versions were heavily vetted with voting to ensure only guaranteed improvements were merged. What resulted was in my eyes, a much less ambitious version compared to the possibilities the community mod provides. 

My thoughts are if the mod adopts a more experimental approach, like a community test environment, the majority of games will take place on a27, with those curious to try out new content playing occasionally on the mod.

With this more experimental approach, both players and contributors should be more welcoming to ambitious content, which may be imbalanced, or otherwise sub-optimal. The "risk" of playing the mod would be that some things may be bad changes and some may be great changes, and to avoid this risk, I imagine players would prefer vanilla 0ad rather than playing the community mod alone.

Edited February 5, 2023 by real_tabasco_sauce

[chrstgtr]

3 hours ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

My thoughts are if the mod adopts a more experimental approach, like a community test environment, the majority of games will take place on a27, with those curious to try out new content playing occasionally on the mod.

This couldn’t happen in a26 because of the Han farming issue, which made the mod the de facto version of a26 for anyone who cared about balance at all. 

[real_tabasco_sauce]

14 minutes ago, chrstgtr said:

This couldn’t happen in a26 because of the Han farming issue, which made the mod the de facto version of a26 for anyone who cared about balance at all. 

yeah I mentioned that earlier, but I guess it was buried in my rather long post. I'd say overall its something we should try again for a27.

Not sure @Stan` if it should be a new "main" branch. Would the old a26 version then just be a branch of main? Maybe it should be a separate project?

[Lion.Kanzen]

On 05/02/2023 at 5:23 AM, Stan` said:

Well we probably have to first determine if it was a success or not. People like @alre and few others and some dude that got mad at us on Facebook have a point, this might have divided the community. And while our statistics show that the number of active players hasn't decreased, I've noticed a lack of people in the lobby which I hope isn't because of that.

If we do continue another mod will be created so that the A26 can continue to exist. One could argue that it could be another branch but I'm afraid the current set up will become more complicated than anything. So, we'll see.

 

what happened?

[Stan`]

2 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

what happened?

Well you cannot play without the mod (for good reason) so people feel left out on the lobby. At least some people do and complained to me.

[Lion.Kanzen]

Just now, Stan` said:

Well you cannot play without the mod (for good reason) so people feel left out on the lobby. At least some people do and complained to me.

Can't play? Because? Did you implement it as a mandatory requirement?

[Stan`]

30 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

Can't play? Because? Did you implement it as a mandatory requirement?

Well you cannot play with people with the mod, else it goes OOS.

[Lion.Kanzen]

1 minute ago, Stan` said:

Well you cannot play with people with the mod, else it goes OOS.

That means that many downloaded the mod.

I still have the idea of making an updater/ patcher(This psychologically would make the transition/acceptance easier).

[real_tabasco_sauce]

On 05/02/2023 at 3:23 AM, Stan` said:

Well we probably have to first determine if it was a success or not.

Are there any more opinions on this?