Addition of Han Chinese to 0AD

[Yekaterina]

8 minutes ago, Stan` said:

Pretty sure cavalry archers don't fire blindly upwards

Infantry archers do. 

 

But this was from Qin dynasty (beginning of Roman republic and height of Greek, Seleucids.

 

7 minutes ago, Stan` said:

Did you accept the email?

Got it. Thank you so much! sorry about my stupidity 

[Yekaterina]

Ok I committed. 

[Yekaterina]

@Stan` for some reason it says the changes have not been pushed to the official repository. Do I just have to wait or have I done something wrong?

[Yekaterina]

It has committed itself after some minutes. No worries, just slow wifi.

https://github.com/0ADMods/han_china

[Stan`]

Uh... No?

[alre]

I noticed today that han fields look... mmmh, let's say they look weirder than some stone wall. I'm guessing that's impossible to create buildings that go under ground level in 0ad, but it would be much more logical if rice fields looked more like square patches of low terrain, circled by simple embankments on their sides. Something less eyecatching, it's just fields. Now they look like some kind of hot springs.

Of course if fields are built on slopes, than the current model are much better.

[Stan`]

38 minutes ago, alre said:

I noticed today that han fields look... mmmh, let's say they look weirder than some stone wall. I'm guessing that's impossible to create buildings that go under ground level in 0ad, but it would be much more logical if rice fields looked more like square patches of low terrain, circled by simple embankments on their sides. Something less eyecatching, it's just fields. Now they look like some kind of hot springs.

Of course if fields are built on slopes, than the current model are much better.

Unless something changed we don't use rice fields as it's not historically accurate... I had one for non sloppy terrain.

[Stan`]

On 30/11/2020 at 12:19 PM, Nescio said:

Hi Stan,

While I'd love to see the Han included in the public mod, I don't think it's ready. The most important issue is the major anachronisms. I certainly do not claim to be an expert on Chinese history, but multiple things are clearly wrong. A few examples:

• The <History> of the siege_tower.xml talks about Ming and Qing sieges.
• The city walls seem to be based on Ming stone architecture; the Qin and Han built massive city walls from earth.
• The Song were the first to built a navy, and the mod's large warships resemble those.
• Rice cultivation is dominant in Southern China, but the Han and other dynasties prior to the Song were Northern Chinese, with wheat, barley, and millet cultivation.
• The examination system only started to emerge under the Tang.

Minor problems include that nobody has looked at gameplay balance yet, and the technologies, civ bonuses, special structures, and ministers certainly need a hard look; also strings; art file names perhaps too.

Kind regards,

Nescio

[maroder]

...but iron tools were much more effective after the Spring and Autumn Period and best documented during the Han dynasty period of 206 B.C.–A.D. 220. Detailed scenarios of rice farming were recorded in Han period mural tombs, portraits on stones and bricks (Fig.4)......

...The same book documented the techniques of water temperature control for rice paddies. Notably during the Han dynasty period, various new technologies were being developed to improve agricultural pursuits, such as a multiple tube seed drill for tilling soil and snowing seeds simultaneously, water lifting devices for irrigation, and winnowing devices..

From: (PDF) Rice in China. Hung 2014. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301949120_Rice_in_China [accessed May 18 2021].

DOI:10.1007/978-94-007-3934-5_10026-1

 

@Nescio could you explain further? I only find sources that the Han used Rice. (Not exclusively, but that they used it)

Edited May 18, 2021 by maroder

[Lopess]

The Han dynasty dominated the south of China in the period of the 0a.d.

[Yekaterina]

5 hours ago, Stan` said:

Uh... No?

The Han actor was missing so I used the Carthaginian one which definitely work. Also, Carthaginian models are prettier. 

[Stan`]

1 minute ago, Yekaterina said:

The Han actor was missing so I used the Carthaginian one which definitely work. Also, Carthaginian models are prettier. 

Well don't ^^" If they are missing they need to be fixed, which is the whole point of this thread...

[Lopess]

8 minutes ago, Yekaterina said:

The Han actor was missing so I used the Carthaginian one which definitely work. Also, Carthaginian models are prettier. 

I believe that the only thing that should be corrected is the facial textures that are a little out of date (with textures with a lower definition I imagine, maybe someone has the original fonts).

[Lion.Kanzen]

2 hours ago, Lopess said:

I believe that the only thing that should be corrected is the facial textures that are a little out of date (with textures with a lower definition I imagine, maybe someone has the original fonts).

some helmets are missing.

[Stan`]

10 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

some helmets are missing.

Missing?

[Yekaterina]

3 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

some helmets are missing.

I didn't notice

I was too focused on the action and did not inspect individual models carefully.  

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

3 hours ago, Stan` said:

Missing?

for heroes. task for art I mean to make.

[Palaiologos]

Secondary Bows + Secondary Swords upgrades did not enact a weapons switch when attacking from distance or up close. (could be confused as to how it works)

Unlock Champions in Barracks was not necessary as champs were already unlocked after entering City Phase.

Battering Ram and Stables icons.

[Stan`]

I guess leftovers from de. Should be fixed.

[Yekaterina]

[clavz]

@Yekaterina there is a 0ad discord server? I mean something somewhat official

[Yekaterina]

3 hours ago, clavz said:

@Yekaterina there is a 0ad discord server? I mean something somewhat official

There are at least 3 to my knowledge:

V2.0 (best one): https://discord.gg/vBgSmYAe

Old one: https://discord.gg/A6VQZGw5

Another old one: https://discord.gg/BHMqxFMX

There is a very toxic one that contains some Wesnoth players. I am not sure if I should share the link publically; I am beginning to regret joining that server. 

[seeh]

1 hour ago, Yekaterina said:

There are at least 3 to my knowledge:

V2.0 (best one): https://discord.gg/vBgSmYAe

Old one: https://discord.gg/A6VQZGw5

Another old one: https://discord.gg/BHMqxFMX

There is a very toxic one that contains some Wesnoth players. I am not sure if I should share the link publically; I am beginning to regret joining that server. 

BTW i cant read your messages and from WikiPedia: Discord's data protection provisions [33] grant the company extensive rights to transmit all chats, messages and other data unencrypted, to collect them and to process them into data for sale. [34] By agreeing to the terms of use, Discord is expressly allowed to track and save information from direct messages or sent images and voice chats. [35] In addition, all data can be transferred to American servers. Discord therefore does not guarantee the protection of personal data prescribed in the GDPR and is therefore not GDPR-compliant. Although Discord is also free in the commercial environment, it can therefore hardly be used there within the EU. [34]

What about: https://alternativeto.net/software/discord-app/?license=opensource
or https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon

Edited July 5, 2021 by seeh

[Stan`]

This is one of the various reasons we haven't made an official one yet. 0 A.D. is on Mastodon but that's analog to twitter (see the links on the homepage for all the platforms we are on)

[seeh]

30 minutes ago, Stan&#x60; said:

This is one of the various reasons we haven't made an official one yet. 0 A.D. is on Mastodon but that's analog to twitter (see the links on the homepage for all the platforms we are on)

https://mastodon.social/@play0ad

https://matrix.to/#/#play0ad:tchncs.de