thankforpieOfficial 15 Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Just now, Stan` said: You realise that's what they do right now, right ?just more than a minute i didnt play in ages, how could i remember anything shorter than a minute feels unnatural though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OptimusShepard 89 Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 (edited) 27 minutes ago, thankforpieOfficial said: i didnt play in ages, how could i remember anything shorter than a minute feels unnatural though You wont notice it, if you chose a limit higher than 100 corpses. If you don't overdo, you will notice a performance improvement anyway Edited March 4 by OptimusShepard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vladislavbelov 634 Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 59 minutes ago, OptimusShepard said: The pathfinder can have a big performance impact to the game, but the renderer is bigger. It depends on your camera position. If you're not looking at a battle then pathfinder is more expensive. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nwtour 9 Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 29 minutes ago, vladislavbelov said: If you're not looking at a battle Excellent Plan for Victory 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vladislavbelov 634 Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 9 minutes ago, nwtour said: Excellent Plan for Victory I have the famous habit: I never look at explosions and battles x) If answering seriously, for me to make renderer slow locally I need to put all units together on screen. But it rarely happens, more than 50% of all units are spreaded all over a map. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OptimusShepard 89 Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 Hm, nearly a half of the players seems to prefer on/off. But what is meant here? Does "Off" mean zero corpses, or does "Off" mean a fixed limit of corpses, e.g. 100? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hyperion 57 Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 2 hours ago, OptimusShepard said: Hm, nearly a half of the players seems to prefer on/off. But what is meant here? Does "Off" mean zero corpses, or does "Off" mean a fixed limit of corpses, e.g. 100? It's indeed not well defined here, but you can think of it as either normal decay or no corpses on the ground at all. Meaning the removal of a single corpse (decay animation) isn't randomized but behaves consistently. Why fixed number of corpses can match on/off is probably because there are already people used to it due to autociv. Guess otherwise the bias would be even stronger towards on/off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nani 601 Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 To be honest, people that choose off/on wouldn't choose it again if they would try to play with it. Having corpses, at least the most recent, is crucial to know what units you lost, especially at the beginning of the match where rushes and small attacks take place. Also it doesn't make any sense, you can just set corpse limit to 0 and have both options, all games have this, since forever, is a basic optimization, is not hard at all to implement, gives more fps and after all you can change it to whatever you want. What's so hard to understand? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hyperion 57 Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 Setting it to 0 in autociv prevents death animation as well. Â On 04/03/2021 at 11:38 AM, hyperion said: There could also be sort of a best of both, ie. the corpses only enter the FIFO after the death animation was played fully. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vladislavbelov 634 Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 6 hours ago, nani said: Also it doesn't make any sense, you can just set corpse limit to 0 and have both options, all games have this, since forever, is a basic optimization, is not hard at all to implement, gives more fps and after all you can change it to whatever you want. I feel a biasing in your opinion. Having intermediate numbers means inconsistent visual effect: you can't predict which unit will disappear. So your "crucial to know what units you lost" doesn't work always, only when you have no continuous battles or you have the pretty high setting. In our code it requires workaround to implement that. Also there is a better in terms of performance solution: showing 2D icons instead of "heavy" units. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nani 601 Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 (edited) 6 hours ago, vladislavbelov said: I feel a biasing in your opinion. Having intermediate numbers means inconsistent visual effect: you can't predict which unit will disappear. So your "crucial to know what units you lost" doesn't work always, only when you have no continuous battles or you have the pretty high setting. In our code it requires workaround to implement that. Also there is a better in terms of performance solution: showing 2D icons instead of "heavy" units. But people want to see the corpses not 2d icons. What's is worse than inconsistent visual effects is playing with literally 1 fps when there are big armies fights. :L Edited March 6 by nani Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nani 601 Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 (edited) ezgif-7-301f82f6ff0b.webm @vladislavbelov ezgif-7-301f82f6ff0b.webm Edited March 6 by nani Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vladislavbelov 634 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 11 minutes ago, nani said: But people want to see the corpses not 2d icons. It seems you're contradicting to yourself. Firstly you said "crucial to know what units you lost", which I understand as it's important to you (as other competition oriented players) to react timely on that. Now you say "But people want to see the corpses not 2d icons.". 2D icons is the fastest way in terms of performance to know about all units, not only about last X. But now your prefer visual style over competition.  Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nani 601 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 30 minutes ago, vladislavbelov said: It seems you're contradicting to yourself. Firstly you said "crucial to know what units you lost", which I understand as it's important to you (as other competition oriented players) to react timely on that. Now you say "But people want to see the corpses not 2d icons.". 2D icons is the fastest way in terms of performance to know about all units, not only about last X. But now your prefer visual style over competition.  So how would these 2d icons look like (you can do some photoshop demo so I can get an idea) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lion.Kanzen 4.966 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 On 04/03/2021 at 3:56 PM, vladislavbelov said: I have the famous habit: I never look at explosions and battles x) If answering seriously, for me to make renderer slow locally I need to put all units together on screen. But it rarely happens, more than 50% of all units are spreaded all over a map. I hate when the building foundation suddenly explode and collapse. Whereas the building hadn't even started construction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grapjas 126 Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 I think it's at least important that invisible bodies get deleted (not sure if this only happens in atlas) Here's topside view; vs bottom side view Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vladislavbelov 634 Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 On 07/03/2021 at 3:36 AM, nani said: So how would these 2d icons look like (you can do some photoshop demo so I can get an idea) Blinking selections on minimap and terrain on the icon hover, and red icon with skeleton in bottom right. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vladislavbelov 634 Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 On 09/03/2021 at 5:16 PM, Grapjas said: I think it's at least important that invisible bodies get deleted (not sure if this only happens in atlas) Look at them when terrain has maximum passable slope. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sturm 86 Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 (edited) Hello guys. What would be the feasibility of adding a generic animation (perhaps with 3-4 small variations in shape and size) for "disintegrating effect" of the corpses? A 20-30 second timer could run from the time of the death, for example, and then an animation would be applied, as a decomposing corpse. Something simple, maybe the Thanos disintegration style of the Avengers movie. Edited March 10 by Sturm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sturm 86 Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 (edited) This topic reminds me of the original Golden Axe eletronic game, when we were still playing in the arcades. Long time ago.  Almost inside 0 a.D. time frame, lol. In that game, the bodies of defeated enemies were petrified on the ground. Due to insufficient memory, this feature was removed from the Genesis / Mega Drive port. Edited March 11 by Sturm 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nani 601 Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 3 hours ago, vladislavbelov said: Blinking selections on minimap and terrain on the icon hover, and red icon with skeleton in bottom right. Problems it solves:  - No corpses Problems it adds:  - Blinking in the minimap would be clutter and hard to notice (very small)  - Blinking circle in the ground would be out of place and would still not tell you what kind of unit died  - Would be uglier than some random corpses disappearing and the least realistic option Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vladislavbelov 634 Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 I see you just want to add the feature 21 minutes ago, nani said: Problems it solves:  - No corpses Problems it adds:  - Blinking in the minimap would be clutter and hard to notice (very small)  - Blinking circle in the ground would be out of place and would still not tell you what kind of unit died  - Would be uglier than some random corpses disappearing and the least realistic option It depends how you look at it. Problem it solves: - No ugly corpses disappearing - See all lost units instead of few - Much more visible (because colored) than corpses to detected lost units (circles can be drawn using unit icon) Problems it adds: - Nothing  Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nifa 52 Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 or only show the helmets? Less gpu intensive, less violent, easy to count.. Or maybe other props like sword/shield? I just don't know what to do with the units without those things 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OptimusShepard 89 Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 (edited) If I look to the survey, I think we need a compromise. People like @nani, me and some others see the greate chance to improve the performance by a not realy noticeable visual impact. Be able to chose a number means the complete choise for everyone. But I totaly understand the other faction who say that they only want to have a on/off switch because of complexity. There are people who have difficulties chosing the right options. So I want to suggest a drop down menu. Three options. One for corpses off, called "performance optimised". One for corpses on, called "quality optimised", and one option with a corpse limit of 100 called "balanced". Edited March 11 by OptimusShepard 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vladislavbelov 634 Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 8 hours ago, OptimusShepard said: But I totaly understand the other faction who say that they only want to have a on/off switch because of complexity. There are people who have difficulties chosing the right options. I suppose you didn't get the point of the only on/off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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