wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 https://trac.wildfiregames.com/changeset/20230 Really? Really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 What ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGood Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Breakin' templates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Ah yeah that's what I thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 ; / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatherbushido Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 What's the matter? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itms Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 11 hours ago, LordGood said: Breakin' templates But that doesn't break downstream templates, right? The values are still the same and several layers of inheritance work perfectly. Even if I'm wrong, unfortunately this kind of change is important if we want a tidy codebase which we can work on. Sorry for the inconvenience (if any)... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted September 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Has the speed of units or more specifically altering their speed stats ever been a problem? I see this as a solution to a non-issue, so I'm not wanting to waste time altering all my templates for this seemingly random change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leper Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 So don't. Where's the problem? If you decide to change intermediary templates in a mod instead of adding new ones you have to deal with changes anyway. So either deal with them or don't deal with them, but stop complaining. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted September 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 (edited) Yeah, good luck on this fecking game. I'll take a look in 5-6 years to see if you've finished it yet. Done wasting my time trying to improve this on this pice of chit. "Good bye and good riddance." There, said it for you. Edited September 27, 2017 by wowgetoffyourcellphone 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphyrth Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 "To fork, or not to fork?" That is the question. It's been nearly a year since I joined in the forums and even I can feel the frustrations of all sides: Traditional Players vs. Modern Players Developers vs. Players Devs vs. Devs Devs vs. Modders and even the asset-makers Of all the factors, this is the clearest indication why the game has stayed in Alpha for so many years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGood Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 That's just the nature of an open source project. Everyone has their own vision and they collide either creatively or destructively. I know I quit 'solo modding' after I honed my skills enough to get a feel for how things work. Modding is a waste of time at this point if you're looking for an end product. The thing is Terra Magna is a testing ground for civs so it wont break so often, Delenda Est and other balance mods are gameplay mods so you're going to be locking antlers with the dev team when we make any kind of progress/clean up code. You have to understand too, I'm sure many of the devs are just as embittered about this. I know I haven't really had fun playing 0 AD since A16 did away with multiplier counters, and later PA. Not to say I didn't have a smattering of fun games along the way. My job here is easy enough in that I just have to make things look pretty. I have my own vision for this game, but I'd rather see things centralized and strong than contribute to this 'warring states' period we're going through now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leper Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 And another Mythos_Ruler ragequit. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elexis Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 As far as I see most if not all templates (including intermediaries) are already copied to Delenda Est. So the DE speed values aren't affected after all, no? Attached the unit_summary_table.html for delenda est and svn (after adding the "glory" resource to unitTables.py) showing that the intermediary template speed values didn't actually change in DE. So might not be that big of a deal, as the non-intermediary templates should therefore also have the same numbers. We 0ad devs often rewrite the entire thing from top to bottom to ease future changes and improve maintenance. But since DE doesn't change much of code but more templates, we can remember that for the stakeholder analysis for future template patches. unit_summary_table.zip 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itms Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 3 hours ago, elexis said: As far as I see most if not all templates (including intermediaries) are already copied to Delenda Est. So the DE speed values aren't affected after all, no? Yes I don't understand what happened here and why @wowgetoffyourcellphone reacted that way to this specific commit. I agree it's not always easy to follow our changes but this commit didn't change anything at all for the mod! There is no breakage and no need to update anything (unless you want to perform the exact same change to the mod files, in which case patching the mod using the diff from the commit should be enough in 99% of templates). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGood Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 Lol its pretty easy to see he was just concerned his templates were broken for no reason other than to clean up code. I think that concern has been dispelled fairly swiftly by the other programmers, leper just pushed all his buttons in the process. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feneur Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 Yeah, it seems like a matter of miscommunication. There was no information given that the change would not be required for mods as well on the one hand, but on the other hand, @wowgetoffyourcellphone just assumed that he would have to change everything rather than ask if it was the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itms Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 Okay there was a misunderstanding originally, but just take a look at the discussion above: Justus continued complaining about having to, I quote, "waste time altering all [his] templates for this seemingly random change", after I explained he didn't have to. That makes absolutely no sense to me. Unless he just wanted to go wild, in which case leper helped him a lot indeed Seriously that's beyond me, this commit is such an insignificant commit to ragequit over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 11 hours ago, leper said: And another Mythos_Ruler ragequit. at last you spoil him. now its worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Itms said: Yes I don't understand what happened here and why @wowgetoffyourcellphone reacted that way to this specific commit. I agree it's not always easy to follow our changes but this commit didn't change anything at all for the mod! There is no breakage and no need to update anything (unless you want to perform the exact same change to the mod files, in which case patching the mod using the diff from the commit should be enough in 99% of templates). to me @leper was rude. and isnt the first time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
av93 Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 I smell some unsettled past thing. I don't care, I just want that everyone just continue enjoying with the development of the game. Sure, let's keep going and forget is not always possible nor desirable. But I just hope that everybody can have their personal (or dialogue) process and feel better. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 all sides needs apologies. remember isnt only a game gentlemens, is a engine and mods that we have here and the free time of many of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nescio Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 21 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said: all sides needs apologies. remember isnt only a game gentlemens, is a engine and mods that we have here and the free time of many of us. Honestly, I don't understand what's going on here. If a mod worked before this patch, it should also work afterwards. There is no need to change any templates if you don't want to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just now, Nescio said: Honestly, I don't understand what's going on here. I think this is just miscommunication, with old grudges and unsaid stuff. Quote If a mod worked before this patch, it should also work afterwards. There is no need to change any templates if you don't want to. The mod will work yes, but I guess the point was about having to adapt to a cleanup change that might have broken some templates, which you would have to find, And I remember delenda est having a lot of templates because of added civs. So I think it's more about having something to change that you expected not to have to than actually the change itself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 what about help this modder to update the mod, is fair? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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