===[TASK]=== Greek Unit Texture (General Thread)

[Nescio 1.526]

6 hours ago, wackyserious said:

Kausia cap

Great! The Kausia should probably be used by pikemen and maybe by support units as well.

A Macedonian phalangite (pikeman):

A Macedonian thureophoros/thorakites:

Edited March 22, 2018 by Nescio
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[Prodigal Son 263]

17 hours ago, wackyserious said:

@Prodigal Son It is actually still a linothorax, just dyed in a shade of yellow I've seen several illustrations where the linothorax was dyed yellow

I thought it's some type of bronze armor with small scales, plainted linothorax makes sense though.

17 hours ago, wackyserious said:

So here's the final set? @Prodigal Son

Looks fine  

Not sure exactly what direction to support though. Are we talking battalions or single units in the end? Is the focus multiplayer and readability or maximum realism? Those 4 types are a happy medium to me. 

@Nescio To further differentiate units, and since this pikeman above is most likely in his civilian outfit, I'd say let's keep the Kausia hat (and any other hat/helmet) to a minimum of unit classes.

Edited March 22, 2018 by Prodigal Son

[wackyserious 2.047]

So I got some free time this weekend and decided to progress with this thread.

An upgrade and proposal for the Spartiates. Their current texture was very outdated, so I've decided to enhance it.

[Lion.Kanzen 4.688]

Nice.

[wackyserious 2.047]

Proposal for the Scythian archers of the Athenian faction.

The current actor file uses the Persian kidaris while the one below uses the Thracian cap which far more resembles the one that Scythians wore.

Amphora depictions of Scythian archers also suggest that they sometimes worn armor.

http://www.stoa.org/projects/demos/article_scythian_archers?page=all

The Scythian archers acted as a police force for the Athenian urban society.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone 6.410]

I like the body textures, but the kidaris hat model is just as close to the Scythian/Phrygian caps I've seen on google images.

[wackyserious 2.047]

 I see, it also has a variety, should we stick to the kidaris then?

[Stan` 7.038]

The textures could use some wrinkles and some drop shadows for skirt flaps.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone 6.410]

3 hours ago, wackyserious said:

 I see, it also has a variety, should we stick to the kidaris then?

I wouldn't mind a greater variety of Phrygian/Scythian/Thracian/Persian cap models, personally. 

[wackyserious 2.047]

Macedonian General

[Stan` 7.038]

Nice could use a spec map

[wackyserious 2.047]

Commited

Body textures and updated actor files for the following:

• Ptolemaic Royal Agema (Pikeman)
• Ptolemaic Royal Companion (Cavalry)

• Ptolemaic Thureophoroi - Greek Military Settlers (Javelinist/Spearman)
• Seleucid Thureophoroi - Greek Military Settlers (Spearman)

 

[wackyserious 2.047]

Not sure where to use this. It is a Hellenistic Period linothorax that has cataphract arm guards.

And also this texture for high ranking militarymen.

On 12/28/2018 at 10:23 AM, wackyserious said:

Macedonian General

 

[Alexandermb 3.850]

On 15 de septiembre de 2018 at 1:27 AM, wackyserious said:

So I got some free time this weekend and decided to progress with this thread.

An upgrade and proposal for the Spartiates. Their current texture was very outdated, so I've decided to enhance it.

This was committed ?

[wackyserious 2.047]

@Alexandermb Not yet, I am still working on the new bronze cuirass

[wackyserious 2.047]

@Anaxandridas ho Skandiates Do you have substantial information about the Spartan Skiritai and their military equipment?

[Thorfinn the Shallow Minded 618]

If I might give a recommendation for the Spartans, they were known to braid their hair during battle, as is attested by Plutarch and Herodotus.  I think that incorporating that aspect into the game would be a worthwhile addition.

As for skiritai, there isn't a lot of information I am aware of from ancient sources.  Thucydides mentions their role in the battle of Mantinea and Xenophon briefly mentions their purpose in his work Cyropaedia and also eludes to their fighting in the Hellenica.  Nothing from them as far as I remember relate to what they wore.  Since they were known for doing operations that would be difficult for soldiers that were heavily encumbered, 0 A.D. interprets their equipment to be lighter than most, but it would be hard to substantiate that conclusion with any evidence from primary sources.

[wackyserious 2.047]

A bronze cuirass would be too heavy, what do you think of depicting them wearing linothorax?

Also, the current texture are wearing boots, aren't boots a Hellenistic period thing? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone 6.410]

5 hours ago, wackyserious said:

Also, the current texture are wearing boots, aren't boots a Hellenistic period thing? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe boots had been depicted on merchants and/or travelers, and also Iphicrates (early 4th century, before Hellenistic times) was known to have adapted such boots for his soldiers.

[Anaxandridas ho Skandiates 155]

On 2/25/2019 at 1:44 PM, wackyserious said:

@Anaxandridas ho Skandiates Do you have substantial information about the Spartan Skiritai and their military equipment?

I can attack the subject a bit later in spring/summer - but boots were around from early ages, and in Greek military I am CERTAIN that laced military boots were around in the 5th century (Aristophanes)

Expect boots to be around from prehistoric times onwards, everywhere where it is cold and extra protection is needed. There is no way cold expeditions through difficult terrain could get ahead without them.

You need a armor/uniform expert for the details, what about the authoritative compendia which we use for all the other detailed info on units? (The illustrated ones?)

[wackyserious 2.047]

COMMITTED: Textures for the Greek Psiloi (Elite) and Athenian Epilektoi

[wackyserious 2.047]

On 2/25/2019 at 9:26 PM, Thorfinn the Shallow Minded said:

If I might give a recommendation for the Spartans, they were known to braid their hair during battle, as is attested by Plutarch and Herodotus.  I think that incorporating that aspect into the game would be a worthwhile addition.

As for skiritai, there isn't a lot of information I am aware of from ancient sources.  Thucydides mentions their role in the battle of Mantinea and Xenophon briefly mentions their purpose in his work Cyropaedia and also eludes to their fighting in the Hellenica.  Nothing from them as far as I remember relate to what they wore.  Since they were known for doing operations that would be difficult for soldiers that were heavily encumbered, 0 A.D. interprets their equipment to be lighter than most, but it would be hard to substantiate that conclusion with any evidence from primary sources.

Based on the depictions above, could I use padded armor or linen armor for the Spartan Skiritai unit?

[Phalanx 185]

Granted, this has no historical basis whatsoever, but at least in my opinion it doesn't really make sense for the skiritai to have full blown hoplons.  If they were supposed to be a crack company of light infantry no encumbered by armour, then why would they have a huge clumsy shield?  Possibly a smaller shield like a Pelta.

[wackyserious 2.047]

Does the depiction above portray the actual skiritai?

[Thorfinn the Shallow Minded 618]

I would say probably not.  Spartans were known for braiding their hair, not skiritai to my understanding.  As for linen armour, I would say that is plausible for them to wear, maybe even no armour.  I would be cautious about abandoning the hoplon.  Although their role in the phalanx was different from mainline troops, they definitely fought in it, and given that heavily armed peltasts had been incorporated into most armies of this time, I would say it is completely implausible for skiritai to be armed that way.