Crowd-sourced Civ: Mauryan Indians

[Nolanjoker]

Loorgood was good to do it all those buildings, or lil stewie can say how can look.

[Zeta1127]

Based on this site, http://spokensanskrit.de/, again, the best translation for Blacksmith I can come up with is Lohakāra.

Edited August 1, 2013 by Zeta1127

[greycat]

It is also cited that "Indian Woman" is bare breasted and for game purpose she'll wear a simple cloth wrapped over her breasts but, in reality Indian women wore "sari" which can be traced back to Indus valley civilization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sari#Origins_and_history).So, instead of a simple cloth, the dress worn should be changed to a sari like in Age of Empires 3.

It doesn't seem to be an error the way they are depicted?

"The works of Kalidasa mentions 'Kurpasika' a form of tight fitting breast band that simply covered the breasts. It was also sometimes referred to as 'Uttarasanga' or 'Stanapatta'"

Different areas seem to have different customs...

"In South India and especially in Kerala, women from most communities wore only the sari and exposed the upper part of the body till the middle of the 20th century."

Edited December 2, 2013 by greycat

[greycat]

Here is another depiction with some information...

Edited December 2, 2013 by greycat

[thamlett]

This still goes back to objectionable content, and how to handle it. However, there is a separate thread on that issue.

[Lion.Kanzen]

This still goes back to objectionable content, and how to handle it. However, there is a separate thread on that issue.

what you talking about?

[thamlett]

sorry - I was looking at the post two spaces above mine - about indian saris - and the others above that

now that i think about it, i probably should have quoted

Edited December 8, 2013 by thamlett

[Lion.Kanzen]

too late but I found some familiar...

[Lion.Kanzen]

From Civilization 

[Tomcelmare]

Yes, I think mauryan archer elephant ought to have a mahout like in this picture.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

17 hours ago, Tomcelmare said:

Yes, I think mauryan archer elephant ought to have a mahout like in this picture.

Can be elite version.

[Rolf Dew]

Sorry if this is the wrong thread. I just wanted to make a suggestion for this civ.

Maybe the Mauryans should have varied appearances (both lighter and darker complexions, there are ethnic groups that look more middle eastern or even asian in appearance in the area btw and maybe some hair color variations, dark brown hair and occasionaly reddish hair as it is not particularly uncommon amongst some ethnic groups in the region) to reflect the varied appearance of the people within it's empire. The sub continent has several ethnic groups, with varied appearances, languages and customs. I just thought it would be nice to reflect the empires ethnic variety .

Edited June 7, 2019 by Rolf Dew

[Lion.Kanzen]

3 minutes ago, Rolf Dew said:

Sorry if this is the wrong thread. I just wanted to make a suggestion for this civ.

Maybe the Mauryans should have varied appearances (both lighter and darker complexions, there are ethnic groups that look more middle eastern or even asian in appearance in the area btw and maybe some hair color variations, dark brown hair and occasionaly reddish hair as it is not particularly uncommon amongst some ethnic groups in the region) to reflect the varied appearance of the people within it's empire. The sub continent has several ethnic groups, with varied appearances, languages and customs. I just thought it would be nice to reflect the empires ethnic variety .

examples? (visually)

Edited June 7, 2019 by Lion.Kanzen

[Rolf Dew]

11 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

examples? (visually)

I am mostly referring to the fact that portion of land the empire covers, has several different ethnic groups living in it, today one can see the diversity of appearances in india, Pakistan and several other countries that fall under the empires territory. https://www.quora.com/What-does-an-average-Indian-look-like

The first post in that links gives an example of some of the present ethnic groups in india, most if not all of these ethnic groups have been in India even before the mauryan empire.

Brown hair and varied complexions (olive, brown and black) is very common in the sub continent, other hair colors and eyes colors besides brown and occasionaly green is very uncommon but not completely unheard of.

I am predominently indian descended myself, light hair (brown and red hair) and colored eyes (green and grey)  and varied complexions (pale white, olive, brown and black) are prevalent even in my immediate and extended family to varied degrees. AsIan looking people are also present in the sub continent especially north east india.

My grandmother (dad's side) is indian and she has blond hair and my mum has blondish reddish hair (though my mum is part persian and the red hair, sometimes light eyes and pale complexion is common in her mother's side, which is where the persian comes from), my dad has lightish brown hair and blue eyes and he is indian too (I don't know if my dad's maternal line is fully indian though, which is where he gets the eye color, hair color and complexion from) , although I think blond hair or blue eyes is very uncommon in India itself, also pale or white complexioned skin is pretty uncommon but is definitely present in some areas, probably too low in number to add as a common variation imo.   

Edited June 8, 2019 by Rolf Dew

[Rolf Dew]

Some examples @Lion.Kanzen

Edited June 7, 2019 by Rolf Dew

[Genava55]

What about the inclusion of two-handed swordsmen to the Mauryans?

Arrian, Anabasis Alexandri: Book VIII (Indica), XVI. The Indians wear linen garments, as Nearchus says, the linen coming from the trees of which I have already made mention. This linen is either brighter than the whiteness of other linen, or the people's own blackness makes it appear unusually bright. They have a linen tunic to the middle of the calf, and for outer garments, one thrown round about their shoulders, and one wound round their heads. They wear ivory ear-rings, that is, the rich Indians; the common people do not use them. Nearchus writes that they dye their beards various colours; some therefore have these as white-looking as possible, others dark, others crimson, others purple, others grass-green. The more dignified Indians use sunshades against the summer heat. They have slippers of white skin, and these too made neatly; and the soles of their sandals are of different colours, and also high, so that the wearers seem taller. Indian war equipment differs; the infantry have a bow, of the height of the owner; this they poise on the ground, and set their left foot against it, and shoot thus; drawing the bowstring a very long way back; for their arrows are little short of three cubits, and nothing can stand against an arrow shot by an Indian archer, neither shield nor breastplate nor any strong armour. In their left hands they carry small shields of untanned hide, narrower than their bearers, but not much shorter. Some have javelins in place of bows. All carry a broad scimitar, its length not under three cubits; and this, when they have a hand-to-hand fight -- and Indians do not readily fight so among themselves -- they bring down with both hands in smiting, so that the stroke may be an effective one. Their horsemen have two javelins, like lances, and a small shield smaller than the infantry's. The horses have no saddles, nor do they use Greek bits nor any like the Celtic bits, but round the end of the horses' mouths they have an untanned stitched rein fitted; in this they have fitted, on the inner side, bronze or iron spikes, but rather blunted; the rich people have ivory spikes; within the mouth of the horses is a bit, like a spit, to either end of which the reins are attached. Then when they tighten the reins this bit masters the horse, and the spikes, being attached thereto, pr1ck the horse and compel it to obey the rein.

For future improvement and upgrade of the faction, some ideas and inspirations:

EBII units:

https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Váru_(Indian_Elephants)

https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Ksatriya_Gadáhasta_Yoddhr_(Indian_Macemen)

https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Ksatriya_Khadgacarmadharas_(Indian_Swordsmen)

https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Cápadhara_Yoddhr_(Indian_Longbowmen)

https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Ksatriya_Árya_Rathas_(Indian_Chariot_Archers)

https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Laghu_Asvánika_(Indian_Light_Cavalry)

https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Prasadhara_Asvanika_(Indian_Lancers)

https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Kauntikas_(Indian_Spearmen)

https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Kseptrayah_(Indian_Tribal_Slingers)

https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Tomara_Kseptrayah_(Indian_Tribal_Levies)

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

Our elephants haven't that wear in their head.

[Genava55]

51 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

Our elephants haven't that wear in their head.

I hope the Britons will get more paintings too in the future.

[Carltonus]

Pardon the necropost, but please remind us of either which language is currently used for the Specific Name parameter of this faction: is it Sanskrit, Prakrit, or a mix of both? This decides the names for the town and city phases, among others.

On 08/09/2019 at 3:32 AM, Genava55 said:

What about the inclusion of two-handed swordsmen to the Mauryans?

Potential replacement for the maiden guard swordsmen?

On 08/09/2019 at 3:32 AM, Genava55 said:

For future improvement and upgrade of the faction[,] EBII units:

Most of them already in the core game; the rest, especially the lancer and the two tribesmen, can be Atlas-only units, or better still, trained from captured barracks, stables, and embassies. Not to mention if the texture maps can be improved or new ones made.

All of these after the 26th alpha is released, of course.

[Stan`]

1 hour ago, Carltonus said:

Sanskrit

I believe it's Sanskrit.

 

[Carltonus]

Here is the .pdf article for possible Sanskrit translations of "town" and "city". If too long didn't read, they are "Nagara" and "Pura", respectively. Were it being Prakrit, the former's rendition would have been "Naara". If you want "village" for reference, it is "Grāma" (Prakrit "Gāma").

One of the next steps for improvement in the next working alpha (27), after release of 26 in a few days/weeks, is the enrichment of the specific and generic names. To begin, the Great Stupa can be "Mahāstūpa", whereas the former moved to generic parameter.

[Yekaterina]

A mercenary option would be great for the Mauryas

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

8 hours ago, Sevda said:

A mercenary option would be great for the Mauryas

I'm honestly of the belief that most of the civs can pretty much have access to (nearly) every unit type through mercenaries.

[Yekaterina]

4 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

I'm honestly of the belief that most of the civs can pretty much have access to (nearly) every unit type through mercenaries

Make it so