ShadowOfHassen

I would suggest we make a document with information for each of the four scenarios containing exactly what players need to learn in what order, and make the maps to work with that. For example if the first scenario is just them exploring, we kind of need to know for how long and what they need to do, so we can build a map with everything. Plus we need to research the region and see what it looked like and figure out how big the maps we need.

So if we're in agtement, a PR?

You know, we could just put a kernel level anticheat... Maybe that'd help...

I like the Carthage one too. The basic outlines we made I think still work for that, and it fits our criteria. With the Thrace colonies, I was just trying to find somewhere with a fairly well known civilization that would fit, I'm happy we found something better.

That matches my criteria , I think.

Could work. Though, I don't think a colony from Alexander the grate would have any problem establishing itself. Alexander the Great had the manpower to get behind it. I don't want it to seem like I'm shooting ideas down or anything, just trying to point out (in my opinion) valid criticism.

I think we can use one. My idea still works, and some people have suggested other colonies that would work. We just need to settle on one and start scripting/ researching/designing.

I think he's saying that way, waaaaay back those were the planned campaigns. We can do whatever we want now.

Wait... I thought we were doing colonies that were founded by a civ in game. There's no Corinth civ, so how can we have a colony founded by Corinthians? If we are voting, my vote is for Cardia or another Athenian founded colony in the area of Thrace. But currently I've seen like 6 people participate off and on in this discussion, that's not that big for a poll.

That would be tricky. Something like how Battle for Middle earth did it might work, but if we did resources it'd be a nightmare to balance. You'd have to account for the player who narrowly wins a scenario and the player who wins the scenario with thousands of extra resources, and allow both to be able to enjoy the next mission.

It's a flaw. In age of empires i'd get a huge army and then in the next scenario have 5 men. Personally I liked the Lord of the Ring's Battle of Middle Earth's method of allowing you to bring all level 2 units with you, but I don't think that can happen in 0 A.D.

Well, going back to my original idea and combining it with your outline. In scenario 0 they scout. Scenario 1 they build up and get attacked. Scenario 2 they leave the colony to figure out who attacked them and meet an ally, and in Scenario 3 they have chased the enemy to his base and have to do a full out attack. Each time they have to build a new civic center and start pretty much from scratch.

That could work, what's the new strategy for Sparta after the new patch? Is it anything outlandish or would it be a good starter civilization?

We could do it about Cardia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardia_(Thrace) and have the hero be Miltiades the Elder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miltiades_the_Elder Of course all my current research is just from Wikipedia, and we'd have to double-check things, but a place like that looks promising.

I'd do one that we know only a little about, one of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Athenian_colonies I had a mistype in the other post and instead of the region of Thrace I meant a settlement like Neapolis in Thrace or another one

I agree. We also had my original idea of doing some Athenian colony like Thrace...

My basic outline for scenario 0 "Let's go find a place to set up a colony" Walking through waypoints" "Ah! Wild animals" Fighting. "Oooh look here's a treasure" More walking with hidden treasures and some more fighting. "This looks like a good place to set up a colony, let's build a civic center" (from the materials we got from treasures) End. I wouldn't worry about it. Personally, I think we should pick a colony that we know literally nothing about other than it exists so we can play fast and loose with it. Also the battles should be rather low stakes, (fledgling colony vs bandits or something). I think the simpler/ lower stakes the conflict, the better. (Keeps the important civs down to one) Yes it could. Any reasonably remote colony could work, I was going for an Athenian colony because we already have an Athenian civ and so that's less time. But I'm not married to my idea, as long as we can get the story small.

From what you wrote, it seemed a little more than a footnote in history... Even that aside, I think only a couple civilizations would make gameplay simpler. Your's would be a good campaign, I'm not sure if it'd be a good tutorial campaign.

I don't think the campaign should be that complex, the history Bar should be practically nonexistent, so the player can focus on learning the mechanics. That idea is a good story, but it might be better suited as a normal campaign

I like that outline a few things. I'd add a scenario 0 that covers treasure gathering, moving 101, exploring the map, combat 101, leveling up and pull those objectives partly out of the other lessons. This is partly because I personally remember struggling with RTS's controls, and a lower stake map dedicated to that would be nice. Also if we do this the first scenario can be focused more on economy and less on the person struggling with left-clicking and right-clicking. (It happens and we should account for it. To make it easier to fit with to a story can we gray out upgrades until we want them to do it? A player could accidentally break the tutorial otherwise. I have a simple enough idea how to incorporate the basics of naval warfare If we have a scenario 0 to cover some of the material we can have a dock in scenario one, and we can just have scenario two have boats as well. If there's some really high-tech stratagems I'm missing that might not work, but it might. I can see Athenian colony working here, or an Alexander the Great, if we didn't do boats. Personally, I like the Athenian colony better, but that could be because its my idea.

Yes, but we'd have to build the game for Linux in some format... I like the idea. I really think we should do it, but that would require getting the "team" behind it.

Maybe, I wouldn't hold my breath. It's a storefront like steam, I'd guess no.

So if it would work, what do we need to add it there? We'd want binaries for Windows macOS and Linux (.exe, whatever mac uses, and appimage?)

That could work. It would give us a continuation into history, and we could make Aristotle "Teach" the game mechanics. I like it. Any other thoughts or things I'm missing?

That is a cool idea, and it'd allow us to link it to a coming campaign (Alexander the Great) you could even have Aristotle teaching the game kind of. The one thing is to make sure it's accessible to even beginners for RTS we need (in my opinion) the first campaign cover basic movement, fighting and some basic treasure stuff (NOT a full battle though) Alexander on a hunt??? After that, you need one on economy and a little fighting (economy in RTS is tricky) and finally one that's focused on the military (Ships, rams etc.)