ShadowOfHassen

At @Vantha's request, I rewrote his article for the Han temple and addressed some of the problems raised by @AIEND. https://github.com/TheShadowOfHassen/0-ad-history-encyclopedia-mod/pull/114

Interestingly enough, just with a little research I did apparently, the Indian women did wear the clothing depicted in the game. They thought the belly bottom was a door to the soul and so had it uncovered.

On one hand, yes. But, @Thorfinn the Shallow Minded does have a point. One of the biggest red flags when I'm researching any history is seen if they try to apply or compare things to the modern day. If they do, usually I try to steer around them because almost always they have some point. An Agenda, if you will, that they are trying to play into. And when you try to compare things like that, a bias forms which can really taint what is being written. Also, @Thorfinn the Shallow Minded, I'm actually interested. In your research, how bad off were the Helots? I know they were bad compared to the modern sense. Was it as some history rights all war and oppression or was it less. I'm inclined to think less. What historical records we do have blend myth and reality often, and while we can't throw away what they have to say, it's a possibility that the same people who write about blood falling at Ceaser's death and the "river horses" might have also heard some pretty strange stories about the crazy Greeks who lived in the mountains.

This game has a really amazing soundtrack. Years ago when I first discovered the game, I downloaded the zip with the soundtrack in it and from time to time I listen to them while writing. @OmriLahav did an amazing job with composing it. I'm wondering what are you all's favorite songs in the game? My top three: Celtic Pride Calm Before the Storm and finally my absolute favorite and one of my favorite songs from video a vide game soundtrack Tavern in the Mist.

When I read it, it seemed to be a bit of both. But that's something that we can easily agree to disagree. I do like how they're trying to inform people on what actually happened.

They do say that, and for the most I'd agree. Secret police, slavery and the agoge are things almost no sane person would do today. However, the articles seemed to make the argument that because of those things the story of the 300 should not be held up as an example of bravery and sacrifice that should be emulated (as it has been up as since the day it happened)

You are probably right about the Helots. However, I still haven't seen how the Spartans have mistreated the other Greek city states they had conquered, any more than other ancient civilizations. And I do think that both articles were written with a very specific points in mind, and reality was probably less extreme than they portrayed. If you can have evidence to the contrary, I'd be happy to see it.

I should've thought of that.

What I thought was wrong was the consistent attempt of both the articles to take the (although probably too idealized) mindset of Sparta we have and run in the entire other direction (How horrible Sparta was). Rarely is history black and white, and arguing that Sparta was actually black instead of white is really of no use. It would be much better to show the full color of the civilization. For example: Yes, Sparta did rely on the Helots for manual labor. However, it was technically less like slavery and more like oppressed serfdom -- not to say that Sparta didn't own slaves, but the Helot population as a whole weren't slaves. The Helots were more like a really low class. If my memory serves me right, when I researched Sparta I read that the Helots had their own towns, and some translated inscriptions from the area that seemed to suggest that helots weren't constrained to the Spartan's minimalist lifestyle, and sometimes lived more lavishly than their "oppressors" Also, I have not found a single piece of evidence that Sparta treated the people they conquered worse than any other civilization did. That sounds a bit strange, unless you recall that there were a few other people who lived in Sparta with the Spartans and Helots and while they were still second rate citizens they weren't mistreated like the Helots. I think the second article has a grain of truth in it, but like the other article, he took it too far to try to prove a point.

While both of those articles are pushing against a romanticized version of Sparta, something that is to be applauded. I wouldn't recommend taking what they say as the gospel truth. According to my research, Sparta was probably somewhere between the two extremes.

Open a PR with them, and people can look them over to see if they agree.

Ok, I can make the change to my Pr so that the building's real name can be "Taixue" Then once the Han is finished and we (hopefully) start adding article's to the game, we don't forget to change it's name.

So I was looking up the Han Imperial academy again, and it looks like it's referring to the Taixue during the Han period.( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taixue) However, the real name of the structure is the Dìguó Xuéyuàn. I can find nothing with that name. Am I missing something? Also, here's a PR for both the Han academy and the ministry, rounding up the Han's structures. https://github.com/TheShadowOfHassen/0-ad-history-encyclopedia-mod/pull/111 I think all we have to do is the heroes rewriting the overview.

You fixed it @Vantha, there was just another slash that I was missing.

No, unfortunately not, I'm in the hands of the more experienced people.

You could try an app image or flatpak. They'd probably be easier than compiling the game from source.

Both I and @Vanthawould love them. However, at the moment there's no point because to my best knowledge the engine lacks the features that are needed to display them. @wowgetoffyourcellphone made some designs for a new UI, but someone more programming inclined would need to implement them. I haven't heard or seen anything about @Lion.Kanzensince this summer... Hopefully he's OK. Anyway... @carpinchonegro, welcome to the forum! I think @wowgetoffyourcellphone can find something for you to help with his mod. If not, I'm sure whoever kills @Stan` and take the green laurel of 0 A.D. project emperor will have some work for you. However, that might take a while. Someone told Stan what happened to Nero, and he hasn't had a bath in months! Joking (of course) Well, at least part of it. Someone should be able to help you get started, @carpinchonegro, I found this on the developer wiki: https://trac.wildfiregames.com/wiki/WikiStart#Forartists: It looks mostly for 3D artists, but still it might be worth skimming. Also, there's a forum dedicated to 0 A.D.'s art division here: https://wildfiregames.com/forum/forum/409-art-development/ Off-topic, but do we have any updates on project governance? @Vanthaand I want to start moving articles mainstream and I have some questions about updating writing guidelines/where we put extra stuff/oversight on the encyclopedia going forward as well as the important question of how do we even start?

Download the main branch of the repository, drag the mod parts into your mods, enable the then open Han in the civilization overview.(That's the fixed version) If you want to try the bad version it's in the branch "problem" The differences between it and main is one little \. My guess is it is a cached something and after it runs an error the fixed version won't version.

Once, there was a typo. I fixed it but the error is still there.

I merged a few articles into mainline and then when I try to test it, I'm getting an error anybody know why?

How would we go about making the change, because while some historical things can let slide for gameplay reasons, this seems a bit far. Besides, it would be interesting to have one civilization mix it up and not have to construct a unique building to get elite soldiers.

That could work too.

Fair enough, but it seems a bit misleading, are you sure we can't put the elite units in the imperial palace (upgraded civic center?) Or the fortress?

A Pr for the Han Wonder: https://github.com/TheShadowOfHassen/0-ad-history-encyclopedia-mod/pull/101 I would've also done the imperial academy, but at the moment I'm very confused. Why does the imperial academy have unique units? By my research, the academy was for scholars.

A generic article for merchant ships. https://github.com/TheShadowOfHassen/0-ad-history-encyclopedia-mod/pull/100 It's meant to be similar to @Vantha 's excellent trader template.