ShadowOfHassen

Yeah, two. I've played it through once or twice. If @wowgetoffyourcellphone is interested and if we can have dialog+ events in game (I don't know if those are features), I think it'd be pretty easy to have a 3 part tutorial. I'd just need to open a topic and get more experienced players to offer in some of their wisdom, and I could feel fairly confident in having it ready, if you want, for the next alpha.

So the templates like where we put the articles originally?

Sure. Why not? I'm open to writing a story based tutorial if people will make the maps/ help with scripting. I already have an outline for a story. Setting: A Group of Athenians looking to build a colony somewhere: Scenario 1: Scouting party. A made up hero+ some soldiers go explore and fight some wolves. (Teaches basic moving+ Fighting + Treasures) Scenario 2: They find a place by the sea and they build a colony. At the end they get raided (I don't know from whom). (Teaches economy) Scenario 3: They go to fight the enemies and defeat their town feature. (More economy + area management + Siege units + Heroes+)

We really need to get a better tutorial.

Wow! Really, Wow. It's not done, but you're half way done. Amazing work, @Vantha. Were we planning on using this to replace the old in game encyclopedia UI as well? Seeing how close you are, it might be better, though, to wait until this has inline images and formatting, then we can go over the articles to add the features, in one go. Another thought is it might be cool to throw that up on a GitHub repo in case there are others that want to pitch in, or just want to test.

I think you're right. We can work on the easier ones first and then move on to the more labor-intensive.

Last text for Han, the overview: https://github.com/TheShadowOfHassen/0-ad-history-encyclopedia-mod/compare/main...han_overview?expand=1 I really don't know who to ask about getting the encyclopedia in mainstream. @Stan` I know you're leaving, but could you tell me who I should ask?

Here's one for all the country music fans...

You can get the demo of the game for free on steam. It was fun. I liked reliving childhood memories replaying the Morgan Black campaign, it's probably my favorite RTS campaign with knights and pirates and a really cool bagpipe theme... I prefer 0 A.D.'s HUD, its closer to the original AOE3 I don't like how the developers are trying to squeeze every cent out of players with 80 dlcs and expansions, though.

OK, here's a small PR with mixins and a few other tweaks for the encyclopedia https://github.com/TheShadowOfHassen/0-ad-history-encyclopedia-mod/pull/118 So, me and @Vantha have been talking, and we want to start adding what we have already written into mainline. We don't have a text for everything yet, but we've almost finished the Han dynasty, and we think 3 civs + a ton of other articles is enough to implement. Also, this will make it easier going on because, the developers haven't stopped balancing the game while we work and already the data files that are in the encyclopedia repository are different from the ones in mainstream. We can wait longer if the dev team is really busy, but we think it's time to add it. In order to do so, can I just use the 0 A.D. GitHub mirror here? https://github.com/0ad/0ad I already know how to use GitHub, and it'd be easier than figuring out phabricator. If it's easier to use phabricator I can use it, but someone might have to answer a few questions. Two more things: First, it would be great if we could move our sources also to mainstream so we don't have to juggle things in 2 different repositories. Maybe put them in /doc? Second: When the encyclopedia gets merged, it would be great if any changes to the encyclopedia be run past either me or @Vantha. Like projects have for code, with the articles, we have a certain style we're going for, and a bar of quality we'd like to make sure is met.

At @Vantha's request, I rewrote his article for the Han temple and addressed some of the problems raised by @AIEND. https://github.com/TheShadowOfHassen/0-ad-history-encyclopedia-mod/pull/114

Interestingly enough, just with a little research I did apparently, the Indian women did wear the clothing depicted in the game. They thought the belly bottom was a door to the soul and so had it uncovered.

On one hand, yes. But, @Thorfinn the Shallow Minded does have a point. One of the biggest red flags when I'm researching any history is seen if they try to apply or compare things to the modern day. If they do, usually I try to steer around them because almost always they have some point. An Agenda, if you will, that they are trying to play into. And when you try to compare things like that, a bias forms which can really taint what is being written. Also, @Thorfinn the Shallow Minded, I'm actually interested. In your research, how bad off were the Helots? I know they were bad compared to the modern sense. Was it as some history rights all war and oppression or was it less. I'm inclined to think less. What historical records we do have blend myth and reality often, and while we can't throw away what they have to say, it's a possibility that the same people who write about blood falling at Ceaser's death and the "river horses" might have also heard some pretty strange stories about the crazy Greeks who lived in the mountains.

This game has a really amazing soundtrack. Years ago when I first discovered the game, I downloaded the zip with the soundtrack in it and from time to time I listen to them while writing. @OmriLahav did an amazing job with composing it. I'm wondering what are you all's favorite songs in the game? My top three: Celtic Pride Calm Before the Storm and finally my absolute favorite and one of my favorite songs from video a vide game soundtrack Tavern in the Mist.

When I read it, it seemed to be a bit of both. But that's something that we can easily agree to disagree. I do like how they're trying to inform people on what actually happened.

They do say that, and for the most I'd agree. Secret police, slavery and the agoge are things almost no sane person would do today. However, the articles seemed to make the argument that because of those things the story of the 300 should not be held up as an example of bravery and sacrifice that should be emulated (as it has been up as since the day it happened)

You are probably right about the Helots. However, I still haven't seen how the Spartans have mistreated the other Greek city states they had conquered, any more than other ancient civilizations. And I do think that both articles were written with a very specific points in mind, and reality was probably less extreme than they portrayed. If you can have evidence to the contrary, I'd be happy to see it.

I should've thought of that.

What I thought was wrong was the consistent attempt of both the articles to take the (although probably too idealized) mindset of Sparta we have and run in the entire other direction (How horrible Sparta was). Rarely is history black and white, and arguing that Sparta was actually black instead of white is really of no use. It would be much better to show the full color of the civilization. For example: Yes, Sparta did rely on the Helots for manual labor. However, it was technically less like slavery and more like oppressed serfdom -- not to say that Sparta didn't own slaves, but the Helot population as a whole weren't slaves. The Helots were more like a really low class. If my memory serves me right, when I researched Sparta I read that the Helots had their own towns, and some translated inscriptions from the area that seemed to suggest that helots weren't constrained to the Spartan's minimalist lifestyle, and sometimes lived more lavishly than their "oppressors" Also, I have not found a single piece of evidence that Sparta treated the people they conquered worse than any other civilization did. That sounds a bit strange, unless you recall that there were a few other people who lived in Sparta with the Spartans and Helots and while they were still second rate citizens they weren't mistreated like the Helots. I think the second article has a grain of truth in it, but like the other article, he took it too far to try to prove a point.

While both of those articles are pushing against a romanticized version of Sparta, something that is to be applauded. I wouldn't recommend taking what they say as the gospel truth. According to my research, Sparta was probably somewhere between the two extremes.

Open a PR with them, and people can look them over to see if they agree.

Ok, I can make the change to my Pr so that the building's real name can be "Taixue" Then once the Han is finished and we (hopefully) start adding article's to the game, we don't forget to change it's name.

So I was looking up the Han Imperial academy again, and it looks like it's referring to the Taixue during the Han period.( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taixue) However, the real name of the structure is the Dìguó Xuéyuàn. I can find nothing with that name. Am I missing something? Also, here's a PR for both the Han academy and the ministry, rounding up the Han's structures. https://github.com/TheShadowOfHassen/0-ad-history-encyclopedia-mod/pull/111 I think all we have to do is the heroes rewriting the overview.

You fixed it @Vantha, there was just another slash that I was missing.

No, unfortunately not, I'm in the hands of the more experienced people.