Introducing the Official community mod for Alpha 26

[real_tabasco_sauce]

@chrstgtr @Fabius My thoughts on the centurions are that the rank three swordsman is more easily obtained by training using the army camp (rank 2 already). Also, once you have one centurion, the other units nearby will also rank up more rapidly (due to promotion bonus) making it easier to get another centurion. 

The limit of 8 should avoid computational worries, also the auras are non-stacking.

I think it would be better to only affect melee damage, as the roman skirms could get way too strong if there is also a hero. I will also bring their damage back down to 11.

The idea is that these units are "officers" for their army (hence the auras), so it makes sense they should be limited to 8. Since they are quite strong, I would like them to be a little difficult to get, but if they are too obscure in practice, maybe I can expand the upgrade to veteran swordsman too. Maybe spearmen too?

Edited December 6, 2022 by real_tabasco_sauce

[real_tabasco_sauce]

7 hours ago, Kampot said:

Still there is no easy way to see what are current changes, why this is not available in-game via menu?

Please make it priority or people got confused with so many releases and not utilize all changes. Even looking for them here or some git or whatever is so diffucult. 

@Stan` maybe the best approach is to add the changelog I posted earlier to the original topic. I will make a new one for the next version.

[Fabius]

23 minutes ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

@chrstgtr @Fabius My thoughts on the centurions are that the rank three swordsman is more easily obtained by training using the army camp (rank 2 already). Also, once you have one centurion, the other units nearby will also rank up more rapidly (due to promotion bonus) making it easier to get another centurion. 

The limit of 8 should avoid computational worries, also the auras are non-stacking.

I think it would be better to only affect melee damage, as the roman skirms could get way too strong if there is also a hero. I will also bring their damage back down to 11.

The idea is that these units are "officers" for their army (hence the auras), so it makes sense they should be limited to 8. Since they are quite strong, I would like them to be a little difficult to get, but if they are too obscure in practice, maybe I can expand the upgrade to veteran swordsman too. Maybe spearmen too?

A Triari centurion would be awesome. As you say we do get second rank infantry from the army camp which speeds up the process considerably. One could then stick some in a barracks for 2 minutes and you are sorted. Here is an idea though, if you garrison a centurion in a barracks then the XP trickle is increased to show that the centurion is drilling the men to be better lol.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

For cavalry, I am thinking the hp decrease alone should suffice. Might not be necessary to nerf speed.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

40 minutes ago, Fabius said:

A Triari centurion would be awesome.

well I was thinking to just give spearmen a path to centurion as well. I would avoid adding more units.

 

[Fabius]

9 minutes ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

well I was thinking to just give spearmen a path to centurion as well. I would avoid adding more units.

 

Ok, fair point. I think then keeping it to Hastati will be enough.

[chrstgtr]

2 hours ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

@chrstgtr @Fabius My thoughts on the centurions are that the rank three swordsman is more easily obtained by training using the army camp (rank 2 already). Also, once you have one centurion, the other units nearby will also rank up more rapidly (due to promotion bonus) making it easier to get another centurion. 

The limit of 8 should avoid computational worries, also the auras are non-stacking.

I think it would be better to only affect melee damage, as the roman skirms could get way too strong if there is also a hero. I will also bring their damage back down to 11.

The idea is that these units are "officers" for their army (hence the auras), so it makes sense they should be limited to 8. Since they are quite strong, I would like them to be a little difficult to get, but if they are too obscure in practice, maybe I can expand the upgrade to veteran swordsman too. Maybe spearmen too?

I like the idea a lot, I just question whether it ever really gets used. Rank 3 units are rare, especially for melee units. 

[real_tabasco_sauce]

10 minutes ago, chrstgtr said:

I like the idea a lot, I just question whether it ever really gets used. Rank 3 units are rare, especially for melee units. 

I went ahead and allowed spearmen to also access centurion rank. Also, since these units may be trained at rank 2 (via army camp now in phase 2 as well), it should be easier to get them. Also, since centurions make it easier to rank up, they can snowball a little.

Also, I adjusted it so the damage aura only affects melee units, while the promotion effect applies to all soldiers.

Edited December 6, 2022 by real_tabasco_sauce

[alre]

it would be nice if roman hastati were more survivable and oriented to ranking. if you think about roman doctrine of war, a lot of it revolved around keeping their men alive. contrary to most of their relatives, ordered retreat was pretty important to romans.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

8 minutes ago, alre said:

it would be nice if roman hastati were more survivable and oriented to ranking. if you think about roman doctrine of war, a lot of it revolved around keeping their men alive. contrary to most of their relatives, ordered retreat was pretty important to romans.

well centurions in part accomplish this only for rome, since you would want to retreat elite soldiers to heal some and to complete their 12 second upgrade to centurions. Once you have a centurion, the whole army (30m aura) is oriented towards ranking and promotion.

Edited December 6, 2022 by real_tabasco_sauce

[alre]

38 minutes ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

well centurions in part accomplish this only for rome, since you would want to retreat elite soldiers to heal some and to complete their 12 second upgrade to centurions. Once you have a centurion, the whole army (30m aura) is oriented towards ranking and promotion.

I was adding to that. ranking is one thing, survivability is another.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

@wowgetoffyourcellphone could you perhaps update "heavy_shot.png" to "lead_shot.png"?

I like the improved contrast and metallic look of this one:

Also, "cavalry_heavy_draw.png" is yet to be added i think:

Lastly, "sword_handguard.png":

 

Edited December 6, 2022 by real_tabasco_sauce

[Fabius]

1 hour ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

well centurions in part accomplish this only for rome, since you would want to retreat elite soldiers to heal some and to complete their 12 second upgrade to centurions. Once you have a centurion, the whole army (30m aura) is oriented towards ranking and promotion.

What unit model are you using for the centurion? Wowgetofyourcellphone has some very nice republic centurion models, we could ask if we can use them for this project  

[Fabius]

1 hour ago, alre said:

it would be nice if roman hastati were more survivable and oriented to ranking. if you think about roman doctrine of war, a lot of it revolved around keeping their men alive. contrary to most of their relatives, ordered retreat was pretty important to romans.

I believe there are two swordsmen technologies included in the merge requests that increase the durability of swordsmen for Rome among others, so that has already been partly covered I think  

[real_tabasco_sauce]

4 minutes ago, Fabius said:

What unit model are you using for the centurion? Wowgetofyourcellphone has some very nice republic centurion models, we could ask if we can use them for this project  

sorry its a bad screenshot, but these fellas right here:

[Fabius]

1 minute ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

sorry its a bad screenshot, but these fellas right here:

Ok, are those from the scenario editor?

[real_tabasco_sauce]

2 minutes ago, Fabius said:

Ok, are those from the scenario editor?

yeah they are probably already in there.

"infantry_swordsman_c4"

Edited December 6, 2022 by real_tabasco_sauce

[Fabius]

5 minutes ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

yeah they are probably already in there.

there are two models it seems, both look nice, but the helmets are completely wrong for the time frame

[Fabius]

9 minutes ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

yeah they are probably already in there.

"infantry_swordsman_c4"

well until we have something better we just keep using it  

[real_tabasco_sauce]

really? https://www.google.com/search?q=marian+centurion&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi5tL-n9-X7AhUyNH0KHQqaAogQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=marian+centurion&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzoECCMQJzoECAAQQzoFCAAQgAQ6BggAEAcQHjoICAAQCBAHEB5QjwlYixBgqhJoAHAAeACAAWiIAZEEkgEDNy4xmAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=g7OPY_nmOLLo9AOKtIrACA&bih=658&biw=1417#imgrc=Uu-MiRVtrDZmPM

I thought the Marian centurions were perfect for the timeframe. These ones resemble them the best I thought.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

18 minutes ago, Fabius said:

I believe there are two swordsmen technologies included in the merge requests that increase the durability of swordsmen for Rome among others, so that has already been partly covered I think  

yes, rome gets both unit upgrades for swordsmen, the second of which increases their durability some.

[Fabius]

6 minutes ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

really? https://www.google.com/search?q=marian+centurion&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi5tL-n9-X7AhUyNH0KHQqaAogQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=marian+centurion&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzoECCMQJzoECAAQQzoFCAAQgAQ6BggAEAcQHjoICAAQCBAHEB5QjwlYixBgqhJoAHAAeACAAWiIAZEEkgEDNy4xmAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=g7OPY_nmOLLo9AOKtIrACA&bih=658&biw=1417#imgrc=Uu-MiRVtrDZmPM

I thought the Marian centurions were perfect for the timeframe. These ones resemble them the best I thought.

The marian legionaries were still using Coolus style helmets and the montefortino style helmets, they haven't adopted the traditional Gallic helmet that we all associate with Imperial Romans yet. 

[Fabius]

18 minutes ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

really? https://www.google.com/search?q=marian+centurion&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi5tL-n9-X7AhUyNH0KHQqaAogQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=marian+centurion&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzoECCMQJzoECAAQQzoFCAAQgAQ6BggAEAcQHjoICAAQCBAHEB5QjwlYixBgqhJoAHAAeACAAWiIAZEEkgEDNy4xmAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=g7OPY_nmOLLo9AOKtIrACA&bih=658&biw=1417#imgrc=Uu-MiRVtrDZmPM

I thought the Marian centurions were perfect for the timeframe. These ones resemble them the best I thought.

If you look at the model up close in the editor you can see that the fellow is wearing the classic Imperial Gallic helmet

[real_tabasco_sauce]

ok @Stan` all of mine are ready for voting, idk about @Philip the Swaggerless's MR, but it looks good to me.

[Philip the Swaggerless]

Yes, mine is ready for voting @Stan`