Introducing the Official community mod for 0 A.D. Empires Ascendant

[real_tabasco_sauce]

8 minutes ago, hyperion said:

Sorry to say, but this should have been split into five patches. A patch that reads as squash unrelated changes is plain awful.

Well, yeah I agree on principle, but they are technically related as they are all in the community mod and were highly supported.

IMO better to increase melee damage than decrease ranged damage. But I guess they have similar outcomes. 

[real_tabasco_sauce]

3 hours ago, chrstgtr said:

Maybe making merc produce super quickly.

I would be happy with this to be honest. Then the carthage team bonus could be changed.

Maybe this would be something to experiment with in the community mod as well.

Edited January 10, 2023 by real_tabasco_sauce

[chrstgtr]

8 minutes ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

Well, yeah I agree on principle, but they are technically related as they are all in the community mod and were highly supported.

IMO better to increase melee damage than decrease ranged damage. But I guess they have similar outcomes. 

Agree. If you decrease range it will have a whole series of cascading impacts, such as turtling becoming much stronger. 

[real_tabasco_sauce]

yeah overall slower gameplay too

[chrstgtr]

8 minutes ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

I would be happy with this to be honest. Then the carthage team bonus could be changed.

Maybe this would be something to experiment with in the community mod as well.

Yeah, I’m just worried about it becoming a spam meta where mercs dominate. But, yeah, definitely something to try in the community, if there is interest

[BreakfastBurrito_007]

1 hour ago, alre said:

there is demand to buff melee inf, so just buff melee inf

The game is not this simple. It matters how you buff the melee infantry of course.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

23 minutes ago, chrstgtr said:

Agree. If you decrease range it will have a whole series of cascading impacts, such as turtling becoming much stronger. 

Increasing melee attack damage also nerfs turtling.  The counter to turtling should be rush or siege weapons, right, not archer range?  

[chrstgtr]

13 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Increasing melee attack damage also nerfs turtling.  The counter to turtling should be rush or siege weapons, right, not archer range?  

I mean arrows from buildings will become relatively more impactful because armies would kill roughly half as fast 

There will be other impacts too, but making armies half as effective at killing units will have huge ripple effects. 

[chrstgtr]

2 hours ago, alre said:

there is demand to buff melee inf, so just buff melee inf. at this point you are just trying to keep melee inf bad.

Your statement is uninformed and not helpful. @real_tabasco_sauce’s entire idea is to buff melee units. @borg- and I have proposed an alternative idea that could be used in conjunction with @real_tabasco_sauce’s idea or by itself. All share the common idea of buffing melee units. Your statement is the equivalent if the 300 pound sports fan yelling at a player to run faster—it isn’t helpful, it’s not telling anyone anything they don’t already know, and it’s negative towards the people who are actually trying to do something. Randomly dropping in to say “no” isn’t constructive discussion

Edited January 10, 2023 by chrstgtr

[alre]

19 hours ago, chrstgtr said:

Your statement is uninformed and not helpful.

what should I be informed about? btw, I don't see no branch.

By the way, I'd rather say that I generally adverse the idea that shorter range must be faster, and I loathe the idea of this principle being applied to all infantry, including melee. it can only make the game more bland and unrelatable, with basically all units filling the same purpose.

[chrstgtr]

16 minutes ago, alre said:

what should I be informed about? btw, I don't see no branch

 

Read back, @real_tabasco_sauce and I discuss it extensively a few pages back. You also flatly rejected something that is explicitly meant to improve and which, as you said, doesn’t have a branch yet. 
 

16 minutes ago, alre said:

By the way, I'd rather say that I generally adverse the idea that shorter range must be faster, and I loathe the idea of this principle being applied to all infantry, including melee. it can only make the game more bland and unrelatable, with basically all units filling the same purpose.

This is axiomatic.

Again, you just say “no” without saying why. It’s like if I reply saying: “I love the principle and it should be applied to all infantry, including melee. It will only make the game more exciting and relatable, with all units filling the right purpose.” See, it’s just conclusions with no reasons given. It’s not a constructive discussion—it’s a monologue that just says “no, no, no.” If you want to be helpful say what you want AND “why, why, why.”

[alre]

I'm not saying flat no, I'm giving opinions that are different and yet no less argumented than yours. I'm sorry this upsets you so, but I'm failing to understand what you are trying to get from me. What I say you don't consider.

[chrstgtr]

3 minutes ago, alre said:

I'm not saying flat no, I'm giving opinions that are different and yet no less argumented than yours. I'm sorry this upsets you so, but I'm failing to understand what you are trying to get from me. What I say you don't consider.

I'm telling you that your form of communication isn't constructive because it doesn't say why you want anything. If you want to be helpful (and I hope you do) and you want your opinions to be considered (and I hope they are) then you must explain your reasoning. 

[Gurken Khan]

On 29/11/2022 at 2:14 PM, Dakara said:

Some idea of bonus

1) When AGIS 3 is in garnison, all champions are train instant in this building. 

2)AGIS 3 is cavalery now and he give bonus speed aura in medium range at cavalery ally by 3 points.

3)Agis 3 stop the production of ennemy building in a large area around him. 

4)Agis 3 can put a flag on map ( max 1 flag in map.) he build it instant, this flag give 5 hp to all unit of the player in medium area.

5)Agis 3 stop all the healing in the area around him.  Agis 3 is melee so it not op op, ennemy should put off combat Agis 3 if he want use healer. interesting combat mechanic, you have to adjust the range of the penalty aura.

What are we doing with Agis III?

I suggest dropping him in favor of Agis II and give him a siege bonus.

Edited January 12, 2023 by Gurken Khan
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[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

1 hour ago, Gurken Khan said:

What are we doing with Agis III?

I suggest dropping him in favor of Agis II and give him a siege bonus.

Admiral Lysander? A naval hero for Spartans.

[Fabius]

On 10/01/2023 at 12:00 AM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Centurions added to the game for the Romans: https://trac.wildfiregames.com/changeset/27400

 

that is a really nice icon  looking forward to the in-game unit

[Outis]

On 12/01/2023 at 3:04 PM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Admiral Lysander? A naval hero for Spartans.

Lysander fits so well as he ended the Peloponnesian War. From gameplay point of view, he gives an option to improve the navy and match other existing (Themistocles) or potential naval heroes.

[BreakfastBurrito_007]

Should Persian team bonus be expanded to affect things such as: Athens' Gym, arsenals, elephant stables, maybe temples? or would this be too OP?

keep in mind comparing it to ptol, iberian, roman, or other powerful team bonuses.

[Gurken Khan]

13 minutes ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:

Should Persian team bonus be expanded

And is "Training Regimes" an appropriate name?

[chrstgtr]

1 hour ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:

Should Persian team bonus be expanded to affect things such as: Athens' Gym, arsenals, elephant stables, maybe temples? or would this be too OP?

keep in mind comparing it to ptol, iberian, roman, or other powerful team bonuses.

Don’t really care, but I would rather lean into what we have now and further decrease costs/build time. Sele bonus does more for CCs and Maurya bonus does much more for temples 

[BreakfastBurrito_007]

2 hours ago, chrstgtr said:

Don’t really care, but I would rather lean into what we have now and further decrease costs/build time. Sele bonus does more for CCs and Maurya bonus does much more for temples 

Thats a good point, expanding it to many more buildings could potentially put the bonus in a spot where it is either not noticeable, or noticeable and OP since it affects power buildings like rams/eles. 

[Stan`]

Updated this page with the latest stats.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

21 minutes ago, Stan` said:

Updated this page with the latest stats.

Which page? 

[Stan`]

Sorry X)

http://docs.wildfiregames.com/templatesanalyzer/

[Gurken Khan]

I just noticed that large stone quarries have double the worker slots as metal mines; is that intended?