Alpha 26 Pre-release/Release Candidate Build Testing

[real_tabasco_sauce]

22 minutes ago, Edwarf said:

Persian don't have "conscription" and "levy" anymore, is it done in purpose ?

time of war civ bonus: -10% batch train time for each age.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

On 12/07/2022 at 10:30 AM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Something different from a champion archer.

They were already quite different IMO.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

On 14/07/2022 at 8:32 AM, Stan` said:

@wowgetoffyourcellphone does the engine support tech restrictions for upgrades i remember something like that for the xiongnu

It does.

 

Example:

  <Upgrade>
    <Tower>
      <Entity>structures/{civ}/defense_tower_stone</Entity>
      <Tooltip>Stone Towers have +100% health, +20% territory influence, +20% vision, +20% attack range, and additional technologies.</Tooltip>
      <RequiredTechnology>phase_town</RequiredTechnology>
      <Cost>
        <stone>100</stone>
        <wood>0</wood>
      </Cost>
      <Time>20</Time>
      <Variant>upgrading</Variant>
    </Tower>
  </Upgrade>

 

Does that what you mean?

[Stan`]

Yeah, but @Freagarach went all the way which might be better

[Gurken Khan]

As much as I like that shrub doesn't block construction any more, would it be possible to indicate the shrub being erased? For example when I want to place a storehouse as close as possible to wood but don't necessarily want to erase wood I could gather.

Maybe it could be tinted red; with the building preview being white on top I think it would be visually readable.

Spoiler

 

[Stan`]

Did we change that?

[maroder]

48 minutes ago, Stan` said:

Did we change that?

https://code.wildfiregames.com/rP26483

new bush mixin as people complained about bushes blocking foundations. iirc @wowgetoffyourcellphone mentioned that he would like to color it yellow when it will be deleted, but the answer was that this requires engine changes.

[LetswaveaBook]

4 hours ago, Edwarf said:

Persian Cav archer champs are exactly the sames as Persian chariots champs.

This is not true. if a champ cav archer fights 4 archers it takes less damage than the chariot in the same situation.

 

The chariot is a bigger unit and is easier to hit.

[Edwarf]

1 hour ago, LetswaveaBook said:

This is not true. if a champ cav archer fights 4 archers it takes less damage than the chariot in the same situation.

 

The chariot is a bigger unit and is easier to hit.

Why would you play chariot then ?

[alre]

1 hour ago, Edwarf said:

Why would you play chariot then ?

you wouldn't 

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

4 hours ago, Gurken Khan said:

Maybe it could be tinted red; with the building preview being white on top I think it would be visually readable.

Yep, this would indeed be nice. Definitely a strong "want", along with Target Flash (when you right-click something it flashes white as visual feedback) and Actor Erasure (when foundation construction begins, it erases actors beneath it, such as grass).

[Gurken Khan]

I think there's something funny regarding installation and shortcuts: when I start to install there's a checkbox to not create shortcuts and at the end of install there's another checkbox to create a shortcut; I think the latter shouldn't be there.

[Stan`]

Would you mind taking two english screenshots ?

[Gurken Khan]

  

Hm. So the first is about the start menu folder and the second about the desktop? Maybe I just got "shortcut"...

 

[Gurken Khan]

How does the Ice House block poison when it can't be garrisoned nor has an aura?

[Stan`]

20 minutes ago, Gurken Khan said:

How does the Ice House block poison when it can't be garrisoned nor has an aura?

All structures block poison for themselves. Not their units.

[Gurken Khan]

41 minutes ago, Stan` said:

All structures block poison for themselves. Not their units.

mkay, I see. So buildings can't be poisoned, and it's worth mentioning and not clutter, because?

[Stan`]

7 hours ago, Gurken Khan said:

mkay, I see. So buildings can't be poisoned, and it's worth mentioning and not clutter, because?

Because the tooltip is generic and doesn't know about buildings or units etc.

 

[maroder]

3 hours ago, Stan` said:

Because the tooltip is generic and doesn't know about buildings or units etc.

Off-topic but I think it would be good to remove the "Trained by" & "Builds" information from the tooltip. I feel like they provide near to no value and are just visual distraction

[Gurken Khan]

@maroder I agree. Although I don't really feel distracted, it's so big I ignore altogether. Those generic status effects on the other hand...

[Gurken Khan]

On Fortress we now have p2 buildings instead of houses?

Not too happy with building placement, because the middle of my fortress is completely blocked. Don't think it's Han only, although their CC has an especially "special" footprint.

[Stan`]

@smiley @maroder

[smiley]

22 minutes ago, Gurken Khan said:

On Fortress we now have p2 buildings instead of houses?

Indeed. The alternative was generally worse due to the hardcoded placement logic and results in overlaps and whatnot.

[Gurken Khan]

18 minutes ago, smiley said:

The alternative was generally worse due to the hardcoded placement logic and results in overlaps and whatnot.

Since we still have overlapping footprints causing whatnot I'm gonna be blunt and say the placement logic sucks.

[maroder]

It does and maybe for a27 we will get some improvements there. But for this release this was the lesser evil and quick to do without the risk of introducing last minute bugs.

edit: and yes it's worst for the Han, most other civs are ok with this change from my tests.