Age of Empires IV

[Genava55]

On 31/10/2021 at 9:30 PM, LetswaveaBook said:

That seems to be very common in the industry.

Sadly people accept to pay for unfinished games. They even pre-order games they know will be buggy and unfinished.

Edit: back to the topic, another video about AoE4 gameplay system

 

Edited November 4, 2021 by Genava55

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

I'll definitely wait for a sale first.

[LetswaveaBook]

7 hours ago, Genava55 said:

Sadly people accept to pay for unfinished games.

It is not all negative. If AoE4 fans had to wait until 2022 for it to finally release that wouldn't make them happy either. So releasing a half finished game allows the players to play it earlier.

Edited November 4, 2021 by LetswaveaBook
It is important to assume that the issues will be fixed later, so it ends up as a complete product.

[Lion.Kanzen]

49 minutes ago, LetswaveaBook said:

It is not all negative. If AoE4 fans had to wait until 2022 for it to finally release that wouldn't make them happy either. So releasing a half finished game allows the players to play it earlier.

Is not always that way.

 

It even takes longer. It seems they need to sell sooner.

[Genava55]

2 hours ago, LetswaveaBook said:

It is not all negative. If AoE4 fans had to wait until 2022 for it to finally release that wouldn't make them happy either. So releasing a half finished game allows the players to play it earlier.

or to finish it piece by piece, like with DLC...

Honestly this is simply to please the shareholders, they want to see short-term benefits.

[Radiotraining]

anyway .. found this commentary and, I'm not even interested in the competitive play, but I think it's pretty spot on!

 

[alre]

the animation of buildings being destroyed looks worse on aoe4 than in aoe2... of course it was a hard standard to beat.

[Radiotraining]

That's harsh!!! But also.. kinda true! 

[Lion.Kanzen]

6 hours ago, Radiotraining said:

anyway .. found this commentary and, I'm not even interested in the competitive play, but I think it's pretty spot on!

 

that is the audience they seek to appeal to.

[Radiotraining]

9 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

that is the audience they seek to appeal to.

Yeah, and even that audience seems quite unsatisfied.

I think the main problem is that they tried to make a game for competitive multiplayer, but at the same time they watered it down also for the casual audience, making something that should appeal to everyone but nobody in particular. In fact, there is a lot of criticism in that video. But I think is helpful because this review seems pretty clear and accurate and it would avoid to make similar mistakes as well. 

Also, it confirms the idea that the production has been pretty lazy because of the many perplexing choices 

Edited November 5, 2021 by Radiotraining

[Lion.Kanzen]

7 hours ago, Radiotraining said:

appeal to everyone but nobody in particular

Here is.

 

they put a pro  gamer brainstorming along with their bosses or marketing experts and this is the result.

[alre]

8 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

they put a pro  gamer brainstorming along with their bosses or marketing experts and this is the result.

this actually sounds like a very good program. the end result is not the logical conclusion of such premises. quite the opposite I would say. It seems to me like the marketing guys took all the decisions and the players/gamers had no part in it, except maybe for the brainstorming.

for instance the limited zoom out was not decided in favour of either the competitive players or the casual ones, it pissed out everyone. same goes with the GUI: visually appealing at first, but impractical and poorly designed overall.

[Radiotraining]

12 minutes ago, alre said:

same goes with the GUI: visually appealing

I would argue that it's not even that. I find it quite lame honestly, but maybe I'm getting too ahead of myself.

 

Anyway, yeah: the final results appear pretty generic. It seems to me that they kinda stitched together different work from different departments each with their own specific focus, but not very cohesive together. This would explain also the weird proportion of buildings and units and between buildings themselves. Or the completely different style from the announcement trailer and the artistic direction they took. Maybe the fact that they developed also during the pandemic didn't help to make things easier.

The only really consistent thing I've seen were all the gold accents everywhere, probably the only really conscious artistic choice you can find.

Obviously it's probably not really like this. That would be a bit too unforgiving. But that's the feeling I get

Edited November 5, 2021 by Radiotraining

[Radiotraining]

on a different note, though : when some destruction can be seen in 0ad?

This shot from aoe is pretty good, gotta say!

(I know it's probably not as straightforward to implement particle effects and building decay and certainly not top in the list of issues, but let me just dream for a moment )

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

54 minutes ago, alre said:

this actually sounds like a very good program. the end result is not the logical conclusion of such premises. quite the opposite I would say. It seems to me like the marketing guys took all the decisions and the players/gamers had no part in it, except maybe for the brainstorming.

for instance the limited zoom out was not decided in favour of either the competitive players or the casual ones, it pissed out everyone. same goes with the GUI: visually appealing at first, but impractical and poorly designed overall.

around there I read that they had involved with AoE 2 pro Daut.

Daut was both AoE 2 and SC2.

[Lion.Kanzen]

They're even looking to take players away from Blizzard.

 

[BreakfastBurrito_007]

Yea @Lion.Kanzen Daut seems to be picking up on AoE4 very quickly. Did you see his video where he was delhi and rushed out 2 towered war elephants?

AoE4 has a lot of geat game design, but I feel they went backward in more than a few ways.

Edited November 5, 2021 by BreakfastBurrito_007

[Lion.Kanzen]

 

 

[alre]

3 hours ago, Radiotraining said:

on a different note, though : when some destruction can be seen in 0ad?

This shot from aoe is pretty good, gotta say!

(I know it's probably not as straightforward to implement particle effects and building decay and certainly not top in the list of issues, but let me just dream for a moment )

 

Actually, it seems pretty bad to me, it reminds me of aoe1 when there were small to big flames sticked on top of damaged buildings with no apparent relation to the structure behind.

[Lion.Kanzen]

2 minutes ago, alre said:

Actually, it seems pretty bad to me, it reminds me of aoe1 when there were small to big flames sticked on top of damaged buildings with no apparent relation to the structure behind.

This is fine.

 

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

I don't like the abuse of visual indicators in this game.

The building is burning and they still put a fire icon on it.

[Lion.Kanzen]

Min-Spec Mode is triggered via a combination of in-game settings, which are made with help from an auto-detection system when the game is first launched. This mode was made for Age of Empires fans in regions like Latin America or South East Asia. While the aforementioned regions have very passionate and thriving AoE communities, they also tend to have lower spec'd machines for a variety of reasons.

https://wccftech.com/age-of-empires-iv-introduces-min-spec-mode-for-low-spec-gamers/

 

Is called pobreza(poverty).

Also keep in mind that we do not manufacture electronic products.

[Lion.Kanzen]

I want conversion.

 

 

 

[Trinketos]

On 30/10/2021 at 10:22 PM, Micfild said:

Funny. It's a new mechanic in AoE, but that is how it works in AoM.

Aoe2 folks(It seems like a lot of them only played Age of Empires 2)

also:

 

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

On 06/11/2021 at 12:13 AM, Trinketos said:

Aoe2 folks(It seems like a lot of them only played Age of Empires 2)

also:

 

I like the symbols over the buildings (if they're burning and other states).