Faction : Nomads Xiongnu

[mauiaw]

Hey, I'm making a mod for Shogun 2 Total War where the Xiongnu appear in a small way, I found this thread whilst looking for unit ideas. I really like the Xiongnu badge you have made, could I use it in my mod?

[Lion.Kanzen]

1 minute ago, mauiaw said:

Hey, I'm making a mod for Shogun 2 Total War where the Xiongnu appear in a small way, I found this thread whilst looking for unit ideas. I really like the Xiongnu badge you have made, could I use it in my mod?

Yes. which art you want to use?

[mauiaw]

57 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

Yes. which art you want to use?

Thanks for your reply! Its the logo for the Xiongnu faction made by stanislas - the file looks like it's called Xiongnu_logo.xcf

[Lion.Kanzen]

Ok.

[Stan`]

@mauiaw Sure. You need to credit me, and Sundiata and Lion.Kanzen

[Lion.Kanzen]

3 hours ago, stanislas69 said:

@mauiaw Sure. You need to credit me, and Sundiata and Lion.Kanzen

He want xcf version. I think.

[mimo]

 

 

I've tested the xiongnu (from TerraMagna github), congrats to those who make it, that's quite nice.

Here are a few problems i noticed:

Two errors on loading (files missing in the git repo?)
ERROR: CCacheLoader failed to find archived or source file for: "art/textures/skins/structural/leather.dds"
ERROR: CCacheLoader failed to find archived or source file for: "art/textures/skins/structural/celt_siege_ram.png"

And see screenshot of the xion cc: may-be due to the missing texture?

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xion_female_support: SelectionGroupName = units/spart_support_female_citizen

xion packing ability could be reserved to xion civ, i.e. captured structures should loose it.
You could add a new tech (for example nomadism, autoresearched for free at startup only by xion) which would be required for packing.

civil_centre: why do you call the template xion_civil_centre_unpacked.xml instead of xion_civil_centre.xml. That prevent the ai to expand and to build its own phase tree (these are ai limitations which hopefully will be removed in the future, but won't in a23).
In addition, it would be better to add the proper superseding on your xion phases so that only the next one is displayed (phase_city_xion supersedes phase_town_xion not phase_town, see how it is done in vanilla for athen).
Finally, the requirements of the phase_city_xion are wrong (i suppose only the last one is kept): you should have an array of two objects.

Then there was a problem in petra, where the xion cc did not train units. This is now fixed in rP21748.

 

[Stan`]

Hey @mimo Thanks for looking into it, the ideas and the testing and the fix

[Lion.Kanzen]

We need a serious planning discuss of this nomad style civ.

[Lion.Kanzen]

Some history.

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The Huns were not Indo-European, but spoke an Ural-Altaic language, related to Mongolian and Turkish. Their features were deeply oriental, and many authors think they appeared in history back in the third century BC, in China, being called by Chinese chroniclers as xiongnu (hsiung-nu), a nomadic pastoral people that inhabited the central steppe and oriental of Asia.
They were formidable warriors whose most fearsome weapon was the double-curved bow with bone ends. They lived on horseback, from which they took advantage of everything, they dressed and wore leather, they wore helmet, breastplate, shield along with the quiver and curved saber. Their squads evolved to the sound of hunting horns and their charges and sudden withdrawals surprised their enemies. They were careful not to ever sell whole horses or mares to China.

During these centuries, the Xiongnu (hsiung-nu) gathered under their rule other steppe tribes, forming a large confederation. In 209 BC, just three years before the founding of the Han Dynasty, the Xiongnu were reunited in a powerful confederation under a new chanyu (khan) named Modu.

The Warlord or King or Hero is Khan , like the Mongols. Modu is his Hero.

 

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Yuenzhi oYueh-chih were a people who lived west of the Ganzu Corridor, were light-skinned and spoke Indo-European language. They were defeated by the xiongnu in 175 BC and expelled, possibly descended from the tocaios.

 

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Battle of Pingcheng or Baideng 200 BC
Emperor Gao recognized the threat posed by his northern neighbor and in 200 BC he launched a massive campaign. In the winter the Xiongnu invaded the Chinese Shanxi and besieged the city of Taiyuan. Gao broke the siege and chased the Xiongnu to the north, but was blocked by them on the Baideng Plateau near Datong in the far north of Shanxi, being ambushed by 30,000 members of the Xiongnu cavalry elite, preventing supplies and reinforcements will arrive for seven days. The site was raised only after resorting to the so-called "marriage alliance" or heqin. In 198 BC, courtier Liu Jing was sent to negotiate. In the peace agreement eventually reached between the two parties, a Han princess was given in marriage to the chanyu, periodic gifts of silk, liquor and rice and equal status between the states, and the Great Wall as a mutual border. This first treaty set the pattern for relations between the Han and the Xiongnu for some sixty years. The treaty would be renewed at least nine times, with an increase of "gifts" in each successive agreement, until 135 BC.
Despite the periodic and humiliating heqin delivery of gifts, Han borders were still frequently attacked by xiongnu forces for the next seven years.

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Battle of Pingcheng or Baideng 200 BC
Emperor Gao recognized the threat posed by his northern neighbor and in 200 BC he launched a massive campaign. In the winter the Xiongnu invaded the Chinese Shanxi and besieged the city of Taiyuan. Gao broke the siege and chased the Xiongnu to the north, but was blocked by them on the Baideng Plateau near Datong in the far north of Shanxi, being ambushed by 30,000 members of the Xiongnu cavalry elite, preventing supplies and reinforcements will arrive for seven days. The site was raised only after resorting to the so-called "marriage alliance" or heqin. In 198 BC, courtier Liu Jing was sent to negotiate. In the peace agreement eventually reached between the two parties, a Han princess was given in marriage to the chanyu, periodic gifts of silk, liquor and rice and equal status between the states, and the Great Wall as a mutual border. This first treaty set the pattern for relations between the Han and the Xiongnu for some sixty years. The treaty would be renewed at least nine times, with an increase of "gifts" in each successive agreement, until 135 BC.
Despite the periodic and humiliating heqin delivery of gifts, Han borders were still frequently attacked by xiongnu forces for the next seven years.

In 192 BC, Modu even asked for the hand of the widowed Empress Lü. His son and successor, the energetic Jiyu, known as chanyu Laoshang, continued with his father's expansionist policies. Laoshang succeeded in negotiating with Emperor Wen the terms for maintaining a large-scale market system under government auspices.
Much was won by the Xiongnu, from the Chinese perspective the marriage treaties were costly and inefficient. Laoshang showed that the peace treaty was not taken seriously. On one occasion his explorers penetrated to a point near Chang'an. In 166 BC he personally led 140,000 horsemen to invade Anfing, reaching as far as the imperial retreat in Yong. In 158 BC, his successor sent 30,000 horsemen to attack the Shang command and another 30,000 to Yunzhong.

Battle of Mayi 133 BC
The China of the Han was making preparations for a military confrontation against the Xiongnu. Emperor Han Wudi had attempted to carry out a diplomatic operation in 138 BC by sending an emissary, Zhang Qian, to the territory of the so-called Yuezhi who inhabited the Gansu corridor, in order to organize a common front to curb the power and aggressiveness of the Xiongnu, although they did not achieve their goal.

In 133 BC, at the suggestion of Minister Wang Hui, Emperor Wu had his army set up a trap for the Xiongnu in the city of Mayi. A powerful local merchant, Nie Wengyi, contacted the Junyu chanyu saying that he had killed the local magistrate and was willing to offer the city to the Xiongnu. The plan was to attract chanyu forces to the city of Mayi so that a Han force of some 270,000 infantry and 30,000 horsemen, hidden around the area, could ambush them.

The plan failed, ironically, because the Han ambush was made to look too appealing. When the chanyu took the bait, and advanced to Mayi with an army of some 100,000 horsemen, he saw fields full of cattle but without shepherds. Feeling increasingly suspicious, he ordered his men to stop their advance and send scouts ahead. They captured a soldier from a local outpost, who revealed the whole plan to the chanyu, who ordered the immediate withdrawal, before the Han forces could act. The Han forces were scattered and unable to concentrate in time to catch the Xiongnu. Wang Hui himself, the commander of the entire Han operation, had 30,000 horsemen under his direct command, very few to prevent the Xiongnu from retreating to the steppe, or to defeat them. Wang hesitated and ordered the Han forces not to pursue them. As a result, none of the parties suffered casualties. In that same year Emperor Wu reversed the decision he had taken the previous year to renew the peace treaty, ending the "peace" between the Han and Xiongnu.
The result of the battle made Emperor Wu understand the difficulty of the Han infantry to achieve superiority against the more mobile xiongnu cavalry. That led to a change in strategy and accelerated the development of an effective cavalry. In later campaigns, the Han dynasty went from a defensive position to an offensive strategy of launching expeditions in the territory of the Xiongnu.

He also led Emperor Wu to reconsider his election of commanders. Disappointed by the ineffectiveness of the existing generals, Emperor Wu began looking for new generations of able military men in the cavalry war. That led to the emergence of famous new generation tacticians such as Wei Qing and Huo Qubing, and the old guard commanders like Li Guang began to fall out of favor.

 

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Battle of Hexi 121 BC
Emperor Wu decided that the nation was finally strong enough to solve the problem with the Xiongnu. The "peaceful" environment was broken in the year 129 BC, the Han forces had their first victory against the Xiongnu, under the command of the young Wei Qing, with 40,000 Chinese cavalry troops led a long-distance incursion into the Holy Place Xiongnu in Longcheng.
In 127 BC, General Wei Qing invaded and regained full control of the Ordos region. Earlier that year, he had left Yunzhong for Longxi with 30,000 troops to invade the region of the Ordos occupied by the Xiongnu. It inflicted a defeat on the xiongnu forces of King Tuqi and captured 15,000 men along with 10 tribal chiefs. After the conquest, around 100,000 people were settled in the Ordos. Two military commanders were established in Wuyuan and Shuofang. With the old fortified Qin fortifications under their control, the Hanns set out to repair and extend the walls. The following year 126 BC, the Xiongnu sent three forces of 30,000 soldiers each to attack Dai, Dinxiang and Shang.
They took some prisoners and killed a Han military commander, resuming the Ordos region.
In that same year, General Han Wei Qing advanced from Gaoque to Mongolia with 30,000 men and inflicted defeat on King Tuqi's xiongnu forces and captured 15,000 men along with 10 tribal chiefs.
During the spring of 123 BC, General Wei Qing left for Mongolia with an army to attack the Xiongnu, they advanced victoriously towards Dingxiang. Two months later, the army had again advanced against the Xiongnu, but this time they were ready, had moved their capital and had retreated to the northern regions of the Gobi desert.

Emperor Wu wished to establish a firm control over the Hexi Corridor and decided to launch a major military offensive to expel the Xiongnu from the area. The campaign was undertaken in 121 BC under the command of General Huo Qubing. In the spring Huo left Longxi under the command of a light cavalry force and advanced towards the territory of King Xiutu, beyond the Yanzhi Mountains. Around 18,000 Xiongnu horsemen were surprised, being captured or killed. That summer, Huo advanced towards the Anshan desert to invade the regions of the Qilian mountains. King Xiongnu Hunye died along with more than 30,000 soldiers in the battle against the Han, and 2,800 of his troops were captured. Tormented by the enormous losses and fearing the wrath of the chanyu, King Xiutu and King Hunye planned to surrender to General Huo Qubing's forces. However, King Xiutu suddenly changed his mind and fled with his followers. General Huo Qubing and King Hunye pursued and killed Xiutu and his 8,000 soldiers. In the end, King Hunye and 40,000 Xiongnu soldiers surrendered, which also led the Hunye and Xiutu tribes to submit to the Han Empire. Due to the series of victories, the Han had conquered a territory that extended from the Corridor of Hexi to Lop Nur, thus cutting the Xiongnu from their allies of Qiang.

 

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

 

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From 115 to 60 BC, the Han and Xiongnu competed for control and influence over the states of the corridor, which saw the rise of power of the Han Empire over eastern Central Asia with the decline of the Xiongnu. In 111 BC, an important Allied force Qiang-Xiongnu was repelled from the Hexi Corridor. In the future, four military commanders were established in the Hexi Corridor: Jiuquan, Zhangyi, Dunhuang and Wuwei, which were populated with Han settlers.
The Han Empire led to the states of Loulan, Jushi (Turfan), Luntai (Bügür), Dayuan (Ferghana) and Kangju (Soghdiana) to tributary submission between 108 and 101 BC. The line of defense that now extended to Dunhuang protected the people, guided caravans and troops to and from Central Asia, and served to separate the Xiongnu from their allies, the Qiang people.

 

Battle of Mobei 119 BC
In 119 BC, Emperor Wu planned a massive expeditionary campaign. Chinese forces were deployed in two columns, each consisting of 50,000 horsemen and more than 100,000 infantry. Wei Qing and Huo Qubing were the commanders, and departed from Dai prefecture and Dingxiang.

The Eastern theater was quite simple, since the deployed Han forces were superior to the opposing Xiongnu forces. Huo Qubing's forces left Dai, marched more than 1,000 kilometers and went directly against the forces of the Xiongnu prince of the East. The battle was swift and decisive, since the Xiongnu forces were no match for Huo's elite cavalry. The army of the Huo quickly surrounded and invaded its enemy, killing 70,443 men and the capture of three xiongnu lords and 83 nobles. Huo Qubing's forces suffered losses of 20%, but were quickly replaced with locals. He then pursued the Xiongnu to Lake Baikal where they were annihilated, then returned triumphantly.

The western theater, was the secondary effort, and had less strength. The strength of Wei Qing, departed from Dingxiang, After a trip of more than 800 km, they found the main force of 80,000 riders of the chanyu. This was unexpected, since the original strategy was to let the elite troops of Huo Qubing face the elite cavalry of the chanyu. The Xiongnu forces, however, had long been waiting in anticipation of ambushing their adversary. Han's forces, on the other hand, were tired and outnumbered, especially since the eastern division had not yet reached the battlefield. Without hesitation, the Xiongnu harassed Han's forces with 10,000 avant-garde horsemen.

Wei Qing acknowledged that the odds against him and quickly took defensive measures. He ordered his troops to place the heavy tanks in a circle, cr

 

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This stalemate lasted until nightfall, when a sandstorm darkened the battlefield. Knowing that this was his opportunity, Wei Qing sent his main force. The Han cavalry used the low visibility as a cover and surrounded the enemy's army from both flanks. Lines of the Xiongnu were overwhelmed, and their morale broken seeing the soldiers have attacked in the darkness.
Seeing that his forces were completely overcome, the chanyu escaped under the protection of an escort of only a few hundred men. The Han forces killed more than 19,000 enemies and chased the rest for another 100 km to the Khangai Mountains (Ulan Bator) where they were besieged then took the fortress of Zhao Xin located in the Orkhon Valley. After a day of regrouping and receiving new supplies, the Han forces burned the fortress, before returning with their triumph.
Considerable logistical difficulties limited the duration and long-term continuation of these campaigns. According to Yan You's analysis, the difficulties were double. In the first place there was the problem of providing food over long distances. Second, the climate in the northern regions of the Xiongnu was hard to bear for Han soldiers, who could never carry enough fuel. According to official reports, each faction lost between 80,000 and 90,000 men. Of the 140,000 horses Han forces had brought to the desert, less than 30,000 returned to China.
The Xiongnu, however, suffered an even more lethal blow, as their military losses were directly reflected in their economy. In addition to the loss of labor due to casualties during war and disease, the Xiongnu nomads lost millions of head of cattle, their main source of food, at the hands of the Han army, and the war caused much of the The remaining cattle would suffer miscarriages during the reproductive seasons. On the other hand, the loss of control over the fertile grasslands of the south meant that the Xiongnu had to take refuge in the arid and cold lands of the northern Gobi desert and Siberia, struggling to survive.
During the following ten years, Emperor Wu Wei deployed several times and his nephew the vigorous Huo Qubing advanced against the Xiongnu forces thus reconquering large tracts of land and striking devastating blows.
Expelled by the defeats, the chanyu Yizhixie followed the advice of Zhao Xin, and the xiongnu tribes retreated north of the Gobi desert, hoping that the barren land would serve as a natural barrier against the Han offensives.
The costs of the victorious campaigns against the Xiongnu in the ten years 129 to 119 BC were enormous: the army

 

The Xiongnu of the north were massacred: 13,000 died, another 200,000 were captured and lost 1,000,000 head of cattle. After the battle, the septentrional Xiongnu disappeared as a military force capable of endangering China, keeping away from Han China.
Expedition to Gansu 73
They have decided to send an expedition against the kingdoms and city-states of the "western regions" west of the Yumen Pass, connect China with Central Asia and the Silk Road, ie the Gansu Corridor, and eliminate the Xiongnu influence on area. Through a combination of strength and diplomacy, in the years 73 and 74, a Chinese protectorate was restored in those regions.

In the year 75 the xiongnu counterattacked in the region of Jushi, killing the Chinese commander of the region and leaving isolated their two military commanders: Geng Gong and Guan Chong, each one in charge of a portion of the region. Both officers took refuge in different fortresses and ended up besieged by numerous Xiongnu forces.
While the Chinese soldiers suffered the siege in the distant Court, it was discussed whether or not it deserved the effort of sending a rescue expedition, which was considered burdensome. The ministers seemed determined to abandon the besieged, until in the end it came up that would cause disaffection among the officers to see how in times of war colleagues were dispatched to distant places and then abandoned to their fate.

At the beginning of 1976, two "elite" cavalry divisions of 2,000 horsemen were mobilized, which together with other troops recruited on the march formed an army of 7,000 soldiers. Geng Gong, located in the furthest part of Jushi, was the most complicated to liberate. The rescue expedition had to march on snowy fields difficult to cross. By the time he arrived, only 26 men remained of the garrison, which after months of siege had been reduced to near starvation. Half of them perished in the return to China, hence it is said that only 13, including Geng Gong himself, came back to the Yumen Pass.

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The Fall of the Xiongnu
Towards the end of the Eastern Han Dynasty, the southern xiognu (south) were involved in the rebellions and subsequently harassed the Han court. In 188, the chanyu was killed by some of his own subjects for agreeing to send troops to the Han to suppress a rebellion in Hebei, many of the Xiongnu feared that it would set a precedent for endless military service for the Han court. The son of the murdered chanyu succeeded him, but was then overthrown by the same rebel faction in the 189 He traveled to Luoyang (the Han capital) to seek help from the court, but at that time the court was agitated by the clash between General He Jin and the eunuchs, and the intervention of military officer Dong Zhuo. The chanyu (called Yufuluo, with the title of Chizhisizhu) had no choice and was established along with his followers in Pingyang, a city in Shanxi. In 195 he died and was succeeded by his brother Hucuquan.
In 216, the military-statesman Cao Cao retained Hucuquan in the city of Ye, and divided his followers in Shanxi into five divisions: left, right, south, north and central. This had the objective of preventing the Xiongnu exiled in Shanxi from getting involved in the rebellion, and also allowing Cao Cao to use the Xiongnu as an auxiliary force of his cavalry. Eventually, the xiongnu aristocracy in Shanxi changed its surname from Luanti to Liu for reasons of prestige, proclaiming that they were related to the imperial clan of the Han through the old policy of marriage agreements.
The complicated ethnic situation in the mixed settlements of the border instituted during the Eastern Han dynasty had serious consequences, not being fully perceived by the Chinese government until the end of the third century. At that time, the restlessness of the non-Chinese reached alarming proportions along the western Jin border.

 

Warriors of Central Asia IV-VI century: 1 Xiongnu Warrior, wearing a bronze plate and lamellar armor with padding underneath. 2 Guerrero tashtyk of the Yenisei valley with a rectangular shield of leather with a wooden frame and a single cut sword. 3 Nobleman of Kushan with Hindu influences, wearing leather stirrups. Author Angus McBride.

 

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In 304 the descendants of the southern Xiongnu rose up in rebellion in Shanxi, taking advantage of the civil war of the princes and then attacking the western capital Jin, Luoyang. Under the leadership of Liu Yuan, grandson of Yufu Luo, who had adapted to Chinese culture, they were joined by a large number of Chinese residents on the border. Liu Yuan used 'Han' as the name of his state, hoping to awaken the recumbent nostalgia for the past glory of the Han dynasty, and established his capital at Pingyang. The use by the Xiongnu of numerous heavy cavalries with iron armor for both rider and horse gave them a decisive advantage over the Jin armies already weakened and demoralized by the three years of civil war. In 311, they captured Luoyang, and with it Emperor Jin Sima Chi (Emperor Huai). In 316, the next Emperor Jin was captured in Chang'an, and the whole of northern China came under the control of the Xiongnu, while remnants of the Jin Dynasty survived in the south (known to historians as the East Jin Dynasty ).
In 318, after suppressing a coup by a powerful minister at the Xiongnu-Han court (in which Emperor Xiongnu-Han and a large part of the aristocracy were massacred), Xiongnu prince Liu Yao moved the capital Xiongnu-Han from Pingyan to Chang'an and renamed the dynasty Zhao, later known by historians as the Han Zhao dynasty. However, the eastern part of northern China passed into the control of a rebel general Xiongnu-Han of ancestors Jie, probably Sogdian, calling Shi Le. Liu Yao and Shi Le fought in a long war that lasted until 329, when Liu Yao was captured during the battle and executed. Chang'an fell shortly after, and the Xiongnu dynasty was swept away. Northern China remained in the hands of the later Zhao dynasty for the next 20 years.
However, the Xiongnu remained active in the north for at least another century. The tiefu branch gained control of the Inner Mongolia region in the 10 years between the conquest of the Dei state of the Tuoba clan of the xianbei by the ancient Qin empire in 376, and its restoration in 386 as the northern Wei. After 386, the tiefu were gradually destroyed or subjected to the tuoba, with the aspiring tiefu being known as the dugu. Liu Bobo, a surviving prince of the tiefu, fled to the area of the Ordos, where he founded a state called Xia (so named because of the supposed ancestors of the Xia dynasty by the Xiongnu), and changed his family name to Helian. The Helian-Xia state was conquered by the northern Wei during the period 428-431, and thereafter the Xiongnu they effectively ceased to play a significant role in Chinese history, being assimilated into the xianbei and han ethnic groups.

The Huns or Xiongnu of the north prospered, perhaps due to a hardening of the steppe climate or an increase in population, began to expand towards the west. They were contacting and dominating other Indo-Iranian steppe peoples such as the Eastern Sarmatians, Alans, etc., taking from them new customs such as the cult of the sword.

https://arrecaballo.es/edad-antigua/los-hunos/los-xiongnu/

Edited April 24, 2018 by Lion.Kanzen

[Lion.Kanzen]

The huns used wagons as defensenses we need mode change to defensive formation.

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When they move, gangs of horsemen move to the front and flanks at a great distance to provide security, followed by their families and wagons, which are real mobile fortresses that can form a defensive circle or laager. The wagons move slowly and could be completely immobilized especially in mountainous areas.

@Alexandermb

Visigoths style

Hungarians

https://arrecaballo.es/edad-antigua/los-hunos/costumbres-de-los-hunos/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagon_fort

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A wagon fort is a mobile fortification made of wagons arranged into a rectangle, a circle or other shape and possibly joined with each other, an improvised military camp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagon_fort#/media/File:Circled_wagons.jpg

Ammianus Marcellinus, a Roman army officer and historian of the 4th century, describes a Roman army approaching "ad carraginem" as they approach a Gothic camp.^[2] Historians interpret this as a wagon-fort.^[3] Notable historical examples include Hussites, which called it vozová hradba ("wagon wall"), known under the German word Wagenburg ("wagon castle"), tabors in the armies of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and Cossacks, the Laager of the settlers in South Africa.

Similar, ad hoc, defensive formations were used in the United States, and were called corrals.^[4][5][6] These were traditionally used by 19th century American settlers travelling to the West in convoys of Conestoga wagons.^[

[Alexandermb]

The circle shape indeed looks good but i belive circle shape formation isn't accepted yet by the formation component as mentione when making the rome legion for the orbis.

[Lion.Kanzen]

23 minutes ago, Alexandermb said:

The circle shape indeed looks good but i belive circle shape formation isn't accepted yet by the formation component as mentione when making the rome legion for the orbis.

This will be a mix of of formation then I'm not sure if we is in this form can appears barricades and then use garrison similar to prop points in the walls or a weaker structure.

[Lion.Kanzen]

[Lion.Kanzen]

La idea es un vagón grande y ver cuantos caben. no va tener la resistencia de una muralla, pero buen ataque. @Alexandermb

The idea is plenty of units garrisoned , this can be armor like a wall or even a tower but have more fire range attack.

A defense weaker but effective. like sentry tower. but its works like wall segment with unit as prop points.

Edited May 19, 2018 by Lion.Kanzen

[wackyserious]

The wagon unit stats needs to be tweaked. I was playing earlier and noticed that the CC wagon has only 100 hp.

Are trader units for the Xiongnu faction planned?

[Lion.Kanzen]

This formation...

[wackyserious]

I'm currently tweaking the civ technologies for the Xiongnu.

-Added "Special archery tradtion" to the barracks
-Added "Will to fight" to Civil Centre
-Added "Cavalry speed breeding" to Corral

Planning to add a modified version of civbonus_celts_wooden_struct which will reduce the health point and costs of Xiongnu structures by 50%

Also, a looting bonus tech.

[Lion.Kanzen]

And team bonus?

[wackyserious]

Not really sure what to implement as team bonus.

[Lion.Kanzen]

May be some from Huns in AoE2 

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Team Bonus: Stables work 20% faster

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

[Lion.Kanzen]

 

Lol xena.

[wackyserious]

@Lion.Kanzen @Alexandermb @wowgetoffyourcellphone

All of the packed structures has 0 vision range (Github user Artoo commented that while playing, packed buildings tend to disappear in the fog of war, I experienced this too, while running several tests yesterday) Should I fix this and add atleast 40 vision range for the packed structures? Default infantry has 80.

By the way, who is Github user Artoo? Anyone know him? I believed @stanislas69 noticed the guy before too.