Justice and human right

[Dakara]

Hello everyone,

I am not here to contest a moderation decision nor to deny the legitimacy of a sanction when behavior crosses the line. Moderation exists and their work is sacred.

What I want to share, however, is a reflection on what we sometimes lose when a player leaves (or is removed) durably from 0 A.D.

JC is not an angel, he has had words too much, moments of anger, perhaps even statements that none of us would want to see reappear in the chat or on the forum. That deserves warning and sanction.

On the other hand I am convinced that exclusion, even temporary, is not justified. If the moderators judge it useful, they can mute him permanently from the lobby. Then the players must protect themselves from him: There is autociv to mute a player or simply avoid him like a nuisance in the games.

He did not seek to harm in a dangerous way against the project. Like DDoS or that kind of thing.

Every player also represents something else:

• hundreds of hours spent playing, testing, reporting sometimes very technical bugs
• memorable games (good or catastrophic) that made dozens of people laugh, rant, progress
• a sincere love for this free project, born more than twenty years ago from passion
• accumulated knowledge on mechanics, civilizations, strategies, which he shared (even if sometimes with a bit too much salt)

0 A.D. is not a commercial game with a moderation budget. It is a project carried by volunteers, passionate people, and a relatively small but faithful community. Every regular player who leaves is a real loss for this ecosystem.

We can afford to have a different functioning. We can claim to have a game above the others. A dogma to protect and leave in free access.

Sanction firmly, yes. But applying a ban, is sometimes punishing the community as much as the individual.

Many of us have already been young, impulsive, under caffeine at 2am after a raging defeat, or simply clumsy with our words. Some of us were lucky: a warning, a temporary mute, a private discussion with a more patient moderator… and we are still here today.

I am not asking for general amnesty nor for the immediate return of JC. I am simply asking that we ask ourselves the question: Can we dehumanize him and consider him only as a lambda player who must have access to the game. Like a basic right.

I am not even talking about second or tenth chance, he will do it again for sure. It is not by laxism that I propose to unban him. I consider that what happens in the games is private therefore not moderatable. If he wants to be the biggest villain on earth, he can, it is up to the player to avoid him.

Thank you for reading until here. Whatever happens, I will continue to love this game and the people (even the ranters) who make it live.

Kindly,

[Obelix]

2 hours ago, Dakara said:

On the other hand I am convinced that exclusion, even temporary, is not justified. If the moderators judge it useful, they can mute him permanently from the lobby. Then the players must protect themselves from him: There is autociv to mute a player or simply avoid him like a nuisance in the games.

I am not convinced by the idea that players must protect themselves by downloading and activating third-party tools such as the AutoCiv Mod. I am in favour of clear and strict moderation.

2 hours ago, Dakara said:

Sanction firmly, yes. But applying a ban, is sometimes punishing the community as much as the individual.

Maybe sometimes ... in most cases, a community suffers punishment because bullies are not banned.

[Gurken Khan]

Since I don't do I MP consider myself impartial. I'm not aware of the incidents leading up to this apparent ban. I just want to say that a ban sometimes is necessary, and I want to pick up a point which I think is fundamentally wrong:

2 hours ago, Dakara said:

I consider that what happens in the games is private therefore not moderatable.

I disagree. WFG is providing access to its platforms for the public, that includes the games. I think there would be no discussion about banning a player who frequently produces racial slurs in games; I consider it a duty of those acting on WFG's behalf to look into complaints about in-game behavior.

[Seleucids]

Fact check: JC is absent because he is busy with his biological life, not because of a ban.

[MarcusAureliu#s]

4 hours ago, Dakara said:

I am not asking for general amnesty nor for the immediate return of JC. I am simply asking that we ask ourselves the question: Can we dehumanize him and consider him only as a lambda player who must have access to the game. Like a basic right.

0 AD is not a state and 0 A.D is not vital for a basic, happy life ( yes its hard to believe). 0 AD is a private initiative that serves leisure time, we cant judge 0 AD in a similiar way.

 

4 hours ago, Dakara said:

Every regular player who leaves is a real loss for this ecosystem.

We have no statistics on how many players left because they encountered toxic behaviour by people like jc. I have seen players motivation to play drop a lot after some of his rants. 

 

4 hours ago, Dakara said:

Some of us were lucky: a warning, a temporary mute, a private discussion with a more patient moderator… and we are still here today.

We have been patient with DoctorOrgans for years. Noone can say we acted quick or rash here imho