Nicolaus_von_Kues

Don't make assumptions I didn't make. I even clearly stated that I did it with AI.You must assume that it is not 100% because if you correct one part of the drawing, it will ruin another.

You see, that's more useful and less sterile. I remind you that I am the one who has been working as a contributor here for some time.You, on the other hand, do not. Apart from you and a few other experts, nobody is going to read an entire book just to make boots for a 3D character( low poly and low definition quality). I am tolerating your criticism, what I am not tolerating is that you are presuming my intention. You think AI is going to know about Iranian boots in 3rd century? I'm telling you that AI doesn't know what a helmet is. You'll get stressed, but most artists don't represent history, especially those who work in Hollywood as it's believed to be. You should take things made with AI as sketches or approximations. What we artists do are sketches and approximations that a third party gave us. And one thing that bothers me is that you think or say that I'm saying: this is 100% historical, do it this way.

@Thalatta I recommend you buy a good book and read it cover to cover, then tell me what the armies of Palmyra looked like, their composition, mercenaries, and equipment, detail by detail. It would save me time. Save me time? Not just me... everyone. Thanks for reading.

I read quite a bit, thanks. If the AI bothers you, just say so; you don't have to act like some kind of crazy person. I've already dealt with people like you who want hyper-realism in a game. You should be more concerned about the units getting disorganized in combat. You're new here, I'm only seeing you this year. Stop telling me what I can and can't do. This is how we sometimes lose people who come to work on our project. You need to be smart and leave your ridiculous fanaticism outside. (It doesn't impress me.) @Anaxandridas ho Skandiates had already given me this level of trouble in the past. It's a bit hypocritical to say I can't use AI to play or imagine when Depends Est uses quite a bit of it. But I'm not criticizing WoW; he's an artist, and I understand.

They didn't know and nobody complained about it until today. Not everyone is obligated to know what others do. Although artists are trained to know everything.

You and the commissioned artist judge what the original artist intended to do. Your definition of modern is different from my definition of modern.

I must and ner take into account that 0 AD has CS (citizen soldiers). Therefore, I need to find three equipment levels: basic, advanced, and elite.

I've had problems with the Palmyran archers; I don't want to take the easy way out, opting for the Syrian Auxiliar Archer. At least judging by the look of the archer from the Principate era I-II AD.That would be very lazy of me. If you notice, I'm not looking for cataphracts; those references are very easy and popular. There are no direct references to Palmyrene archers, it only says that they could very well have been Syrian Roman auxiliaries, but we do not know what they looked like in the third century.

The second phase is to find secondary sources. Illustrations and photos of the renaactor or of reconstructed parts/pieces. As you can see, not all the armor belongs to infantry, or at least I'm skeptical about using it en masse. I need more references for this idea... and I'm look around trying to drawings and wargaming figures or even Total war forums/Tale forums. I also read, but for an artist, reading is not the same as watching. And if not, I resort to making drawings or asking an artist to do it for me. We used to turn to Lorgood for sketching. Lately we've been resorting to @Obskiuras We had several artists, none of them active. Some of our artists have gone on to work on current Age of Empires projects.

I'll show you an example of something very problematic. This unit is problematic. This is the primary evidence. As far as I know, there is no archaeological evidence of this equipment. When I say archaeological, I mean that this equipment was never found. It was only found artistically. Again, I repeat, as far as I know.

What is modern to you? Fantasy is more probably and best choice of words. You're missing something very important; I'm not the one who's going to design the final textures. You're new here... I'm not, maybe my username is. The process that our units go through is very detailed. They will not be based on a single illustration. Then one or several artists create initial designs, which are then evaluated by the community and experts. Forums are for discussing and presenting evidence. What I want from AI is for it to save me from having to combine several concepts at the same time. I can tell you to take the helmet from one side, take the armor from the other. I will open a topic on the use of AI in 2026 because probably another year of advancement, investment in data center and memory, plus learning, will allow it to do detailed things. It would be interesting if Angus McBride himself drew oriental archers that Palmyra could have used.

"Looking like that" I don't think boots that look like a draw exist. https://www.res-bellica.com/en/shop/calcei-4/ Second, I'm not focusing on footwear.(Right now). @Thalatta you know to draw? How do I know if this boot is modern or not? I see a bunch of very blurry pixels.

There were boots of Persian origin at that time; they don't seem modern to me. But she is not trained to make Persian boots, very specific Roman helmets, very specific trousers. Mostly, I take an existing drawing and use it to show me a better version. For example, I need to better appreciate the riders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modius_(headdress) Another item of clothing worn by the units is the modius hat. I'm not sure if it was only used by priests.

@ThePoshBarbarian This is the image you wanted.

I'm going to put this label up to be more transparent. I requested this image based on the previous images. I'm not happy with how the pants were designed. The helmets that this unit would use are very specific. Auxiliary cavalry helmets.

http://byzantinemilitary.blogspot.com/2024/12/roman-camel-cavalry.html?m=1 My intention was only to show Arab clothing used by some Palmyrene units; it's complicated to show a single look for the troops. The most outstanding and different units in the Palmyra army that distinguish them from other civs are the camel riders. "Dromedarii were camel-riding auxiliary forces recruited in the desert provinces of the late Roman Empire in Roman Syria". "A 1000-strong dromedarius unit, the ala I Ulpia Dromedariorum milliaria, was established by Trajan in Syria. A small number of dromedarii is recorded as part of the Cohors XX Palmyrenorum based in Dura-Europos in Roman Syria".

The original uses javelins, but the descriptions mention multiple weapons: swords, spears, javelins, and arrows. I am using AI to refer to units that have hardly any illustrations. https://www.historiascripta.org/classical-antiquity/dromedarii-camel-riders-in-the-roman-army/ "Palmyra / Tadmor, Homs governorate, Syria: Palmyra Museum. Caravan camel guarded by men armed with spear and sword".

https://www.eliteminiaturesaustralia.com.au/a-miniatures-palmyran-army-3rd-century/?srsltid=AfmBOootOYKRW1X_8_8-2LqMPbaZcWsD7OyOnIvm8ALkbG7Qh2ZLwLTf This is difficult; there aren't many sources on the appearance of archers. Basically, it's a combination of Eastern archers with a Persian archer and a Syrian auxiliary archer.

https://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/archive/index.php?thread-18515.html Composition of the armies of the third century. It would seem that, if III Gallica are representative of other legions, the Roman army in the east remained loyal to Rome after the death of Odenathus. There could well have been defections, but as far as I know there's no evidence for this. Palmyrene cavalry was very heavily armoured, so cataphracts would be a good guess. Otherwise, Zosimus gives Zenobia 'Syrians... Saracens and Armenians' - apparently light cavalry. Palmyra was a great trading centre, and probably made good use of mercenaries - the shifting allegiance of the Saracens and Armenians might reflect this. Aurelian's army of the period was similarly polyglot: 'Mauritanian horse... Tyaneans... Mesopotamians... Syrians... Phoenicians, and... Palestinians' besides the Praetorians and legionary troops drawn from the Danube. (all quotes Zosimus , Historia Nova, Book I) - Nathan

Infantry equipment. I had already shared my vision of the Palmyra swordman infantry above. https://www.twcenter.net/threads/updated-collection-of-palmyrene-and-late-phartian-early-sassanid-armies-pics-and-miniatures.772222/

Some concepts for Camel riders.

Now we just need to find some good hats.

It's definitely a cross between Roman clothing and Parthian. Valerian and Shapur I look quite similar.

Banquet reliefs at Palmyra often depict young men in attendance dressed in almost identical outfits to their master. Their costume consists of a belted roundnecked, long-sleeved tunic with a decorative band on the neckline, cuffs and hemline, a cloak, tight trousers.