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Totally in favor of this alien thing. Nice work Lion. Another idea that could be cool: A modern Roman. There are several concepts like this on the web.

No it's an old wallpaper made for AOE1 DE.

Personally I think that the comitium and the curia are better representing a kind of civic center. This is the place for the assembly and for the senate. However I do understand that the comitium is not getting a lot of praise and could be ugly. The actual civic center is based on the Basilica Julia finished by Augustus. So using another basilica could be more coherent with the style. The only thing is that the basilica never existed during the first and second Punic Wars. This is a feature the Romans took from the Greeks after the second Macedonian War, based on their Stoa. The first basilica in Rome date from 184 BC (Basilica Porcia). This is a small inconsistency but nothing really problematic since we are still in the good period. A compromise could be the Basilica Opimia with in the front the Senaculum, the Ara Saturni and the Mundus. Like this there are some features of the old Roman tradition.

This is one is interesting

This is a honest point of view at least. I prefer when people are saying what are bothering them. Thanks. So the other possibilities are the Basilica Fulvia Basilica Sempronia. Basilica Opimia and Basilica Porcia

If there is the necessity to adapt, twist and reinterpret the buildings to suit the square format of 8x8 civic center, why is it really a problem to do the comitium? I give suggestions according to the historical evidences but an artistic interpretation and some liberty in the final model does not bother me. Here a suggestion to propose solutions and not only problems:

It is this https://cepranocity.wordpress.com/2018/10/13/il-santuario-di-esculapio-maf/amp/

In Rome, the Basilica is next to the Curia and to the Comitium. In Cosa, the Comitium and the Curia are closer and are next to the Basilica as well. Maybe a possibility to do something with these three buildings. Other proposition, in Fregellae the building with the Curia seems bigger:

Could the addition of slaves be useful to better distinguish between the economy and the military?

Basically among barbarians civ, the warriors and men-at-arms are spread in the landscape, in all the villages, hamlets and fortified sites. This is their way to defend themselves to any unexpected attacks (especially robbers and raiders). There are some accounts in the Gallic Wars of storage of weapons inside oppida but it is difficult to assess if this is for a kind of militia. In Imperial Rome, there are the urban cohorts for most of the protection. A kind of civil guards and militia existed through the praefectus vigilum and the Cohortium Vigilum Stationes, but mostly as firefighters and policemen. Edit: for the Roman Army before the Carthaginian Wars, there were the Rorarii and the Accensi as irregulars.

It seems to be something used later: http://sci-hub.tw/https://www.jstor.org/stable/650090 The only place where I find early indications of arrows and bows is in North Denmark and Southern Sweden. So if you want to add an archer, you can do it through a regional unit (Cimbri or Suiones).

I agree with this. It means basically a roster for the Suebi with a Spearman using the framae (polyvalent spear), Skirmisher with barbed javelins, Infantryman with wooden clubs, Champion unit with heavy spearhead and/or Germanic swords, Slinger, a Champion melee cavalry. Regional and allied units could be the Cherusci pikeman, the Harii Night-Ambusher, the Lugian heavy swordsman, the short-swordsmen with round shield from Lemovii and Rugii tribes, the Batavi or the Tencteri cavalry, Chatti veteran infantryman (with shaved faces), Aestii axe female warrior etc. etc.

Coexisted does not mean anything but yes, we can make other germanic groups as regional units. No problem with this, it should be only specified to not spread misinformation. For honesty. Rhine-Weser Germans served often as auxiliaries for the Roman army. So cavalry as well.

The one I suggested before? I think that this one and this one are references to the nine worlds of the Nordic mythology, however this is only my interpretation: Ancient Germanic mythology is kinda a black box. Mostly it is much later accounts that fill the gaps but with a lot of uncertainties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_paganism http://sci-hub.tw/10.1093/oxfordhb/9780199232444.013.0053

The pikemen reference comes from the Cherusci Chatti, not a suebian tribe. EB2 is kinda falling for the same trouble than other games, filling the gaps in knowledge with other references from other tribes and other time-frames. Here:

Column of Marcus Aurelius https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/triumphal-column-of-marcus-aurelius-b50018f8a21b49ba9a33c6410bb29101 MATERIAL FORMS OF SELF-REPRESENTATION https://www.academia.edu/3824652/The_Column_of_Marcus_Aurelius The Battle Scenes on the Column of Marcus Aurelius https://macsphere.mcmaster.ca/handle/11375/15521 Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Bq-RlaMX8

Objects found associated to the period of the Marcomannic wars:

It is a symbol associated with the Norsemen and Anglo-Saxons, from the early medieval era. The *Valknútr/Valknut is very controversial because there is a lot of modern folklore around it, most of its interpretation is based on myths. The exact signification and importance of this symbol for the Norsemen is the not known. For the Elbe Germans, a common recurring symbol is this is one: Other decorated items and symbols: For the other patterns Edit: for people interested in the subject, some Roman items found close to the Quadi (a rare english article on the subject): https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/10195/67771/Jilek_2016_Roman Metal Vessels.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

Yes it changed, the Suebians during 1st century BC and 2st century AD are mostly using hexagonal shields and have little body protection. During the 3rd century AD, all the Germans started to use rounds shields and we find some helmets and chainmail. There are also the development of the angon and of the spatha. Clearly, before the Marcomannic wars it is difficult to gather enough information to build a complete faction. Most of the archeological information on the Suebians comes from the later period. But the general basis of the houses didn't have change. The only thing is that there is more evidence for fortifications in the later period.

The 100 columns hall of Persepolis is indeed quite impressive Some pictures and 3D: http://www.the-persians.co.uk/photo_albums/album4_persepolis_reconstruction.htm http://www.persepolis3d.com/frameset.html 3D visit tour:

The Lombards: The Ancient Longobards - Neil Christie The Lombards, also known as the Longobards, were a Germanic tribe whose fabled origins lay in the barbarian realm of Scandinavia. After centuries of obscurity during the long period of Roman domination in Europe, the Lombards began a concerted migration south-eastwards, coming to prominence immediately after the fall of Rome. Pushing across the Danube to occupy Hungary, the tribe emerged as a powerful protagonist in the former heartland of the Empire in the early sixth century AD. The Lombards subsequently invaded Italy in AD 568-569, where they successfully countered the Byzantines and established a kingdom based on the fertile north Italian plains. This endured for more than two centuries before its conquest by Charlemagne, and even after this defeat, a Lombard state continued to exist in southern Italy until the eleventh century. In this book, the author combines many sources, archaeological and historical, to offer a fresh and vividly detailed picture of Lombard society - its people, settlements, material and spiritual culture - and its evolution from martial 'barbarian' tribe to complex urbanized state. The Alamanni and Rome 213-496 - John F. Drinkwater The Alamanni and Rome focuses upon the end of the Roman Empire. From the third century AD, barbarians attacked and then overran the west. Some--Goths, Franks, Saxons--are well known, others less so. The latter include the Alamanni, despite the fact that their name is found in the French (''Allemagne'') and Spanish (''Alemania'') for ''Germany.'' This pioneering study, the first in English, uses new historical and archaeological findings to reconstruct the origins of the Alamanni, their settlements, their politics, and their society, and to establish the nature of their relationship with Rome. John Drinkwater discovers the cause of their modern elusiveness in their high level of dependence on the Empire. Far from being dangerous invaders, they were often the prey of emperors intent on acquiring military reputations. When much of the western Empire fell to the Franks, so did the Alamanni, without ever having produced their own ''successor kingdom.'' Edit: Варвары. Древние германцы: быт, религия, культура Малькольм ТоддВарвары. Древние германцы. Быт, религия, культура Everyday Life of the Barbarians: Goths, Franks, & Vandals От издателяАвтор этой книги попытался реконструировать социальную структуру и каждодневную жизнь варваров на основе обобщающих выводов археологов, наблюдений искусствоведов и лингвистов. Рассматривается промежуток времени от II в. до н.э., когда цивилизованные народы впервые обратили внимание на варваров, до периода Великого Переселения народов IV-VI веков н.э. Everyday Life of the Barbarians: Goths, Franks and Vandals With drawings by Eva Wilson. The "Barbarians" of the classical world - especially the Goths, Franks and Vandals - have been traditionally dismissed as savage hordes who sacked Rome and destroyed her Empire. It is only the discoveries of modern archaeology that have established a true picture of these versatile Germanic tribes who originally inhabited north-west Europe beyond the frontiers of the Roman Empire and who later penetrated every corner of Europe. Like the Celts, these tribes excelled in the arts of war - but warfare was far from being the whole of their life. They delighted in feasting, music, dancing and gaming. The tribes were organised in a rigorous social hierarchy and they practised a remarkably advanced system of agriculture. Their houses and furniture were simple but they took a particular pride in personal decoration: the surviving artifacts - especially ornamental metalwork - show a magnificent tradition of craftsmanship. Trade contacts, too, reveal a lively commerce with the Roman provinces and with their nomadic neighbours. This vivid and rounded portrait of the daily life of Rome's northern neighbours is a fascinating addition to the Publishers' Everyday Life series and a valuable complementary study to the volume on "Ancient Rome". Malcolm Todd, who is Lecturer in Archaeology at the University of Nottingham, has made use of his own research, and the illustrations - almost 100 in all - include a great deal of unfamiliar material. The Early Germans by Malcolm Todd The growing number of volumes in the "Peoples of Europe" series are generally quite useful to students of early medieval history; at less than 300 pages, they do well as surveys. This one, unfortunately, is one of the less readable efforts. Todd is interested in the Germanic tribes and their migrations from the early Roman Empire up to about 700 A.D., but he wanders from a chronological coverage of all the multitude of Germanic peoples (who never thought of themselves as "Germans" in the first place), to a topical one (chapters on economy and agriculture, social institutions, burial practices, trade and diplomacy, art and technology, etc), to a geographical survey divided into sections on Goths, Vandals, Franks, Burgundians, Gepids, Lombards, and (oddly) Scandinavians. It's a confusing book to read, with various groups appearing (naturally) in each other's chapters. Todd also mentions in passing specialized information or rival interpretations of the sources that he apparently assumes everyone knows -- which is a bad assumption in a survey of this kind. While there's useful stuff here, I would not suggest this as a first resource for someone new to the field. Instead, I would recommend the separate books in this series by James on the Franks, Heather on the Goths, and Christie on the Lombards -- and Heather's latest, _The Fall of the Roman Empire_ (2006), over all of them. Goths in the Fourth Century This volume brings together many important historical texts, the majority of them (speeches of Themistius, the Passion of St Saba, and evidence relating to the life and work of Ulfila) not previously available in English translation. "...a compact and exciting do-it-yourself kit for the student of Gothic history... outstanding."—Bryn Mawr Classical Review

The time frame involved is basically from Ariovistus (58 BC) to Hermeric (441 AD) ? Focusing on the Suebian tribes ?

It relies on the same principles than other rock/paper/scissors RTS... Borg's mod is not revolutionary on its foundations. I approve, this is a great idea