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Two things set off the Early from the Late Classic: first, the strong Izapan element still discernible in Early Classic Maya culture, and secondly, the appearance in the middle part of the Early Classic of powerful waves of influence, and almost certainly invaders themselves, from the site of Teotihuacan in central Mexico. This city was founded in the first century BC in a small but fertile valley opening onto the northeast side of the Valley of Mexico. On the eve of its destruction at the hands of unknown peoples, at the end of the sixth or beginning of the seventh century AD, it covered an area of over 5 sq. miles (13 sq. km) and may have had, according to George Cowgill, a preeminent expert on the site, a population of some 85,000 people living in over 2,300 apartment compounds. To fill it, Teotihuacan’s ruthless early rulers virtually depopulated smaller towns and villages in the Valley of Mexico. It was, in short, the greatest city ever seen in the Pre-Columbian New World. Teotihuacan is noted for the regularity of its two crisscrossing great avenues, for its Pyramids of the Sun and Moon, and for the delicacy and sophistication of the paintings which graced the walls of its luxurious palaces. In these murals and elsewhere, the art of the great city is permeated with war symbolism, and there can be little doubt that war and conquest were major concerns to its rulers. Teotihuacan fighting men were armed with atlatl-propelled darts and rectangular shields, and bore round, decorated, pyrite mosaic mirrors on their backs; with their eyes sometimes partly hidden by white shell “goggles,” and their feather headdresses, they must have been terrifying figures to their opponents. At the very heart of the city, facing the main north–south avenue, is the massive Ciudadela (“citadel”), in all likelihood the compound housing the royal palace. Within the Ciudadela itself is the stepped, stone-faced temple-pyramid known as the Temple of the Feathered Serpent (TFS), one of the single most important buildings of ancient Mesoamerica, and apparently well known to the distant Maya right through the end of the Classic. When the TFS was dedicated c. AD 200, at least 200 individuals were sacrificed in its honor. Study of their bone chemistry reveals that not a few are certain to have been foreigners. All were attired as Teotihuacan warriors, with obsidian-tipped darts and back mirrors, and some had collars strung with imitation human jawbones. On the facade and balustrades of the TFS are multiple figures of the Feathered Serpent, an early form of the later Aztec god Quetzalcoatl (patron god of the priesthood) and a figure that may, according to Karl Taube, have originated among the Maya. Alternating with these figures is the head of another supernatural ophidian, with retroussé snout covered with rectangular platelets representing jade, and cut shell goggles placed in front of a stylized headdress in the shape of the Mexican sign for “year.” Taube has conclusively demonstrated this to be a War Serpent, a potent symbol wherever Teotihuacan influence was felt in Mesoamerica – and, in fact, long after the fall of Teotihuacan. Such martial symbolism extended even to the Teotihuacan prototype of the rain deity Tlaloc who, fitted with his characteristic “goggles” and year-sign, also functioned as a war god. That the Teotihuacan empire prefigured that of the Aztecs is vividly attested at the site of Los Horcones, Chiapas, Mexico, studied by Claudia García-Des Lauriers of California State Polytechnic, Pomona. Situated near a spectacular hill, the city lies on the very edge of the great chocolate-producing area known to the Aztecs as the Xoconochco. The southern part of Los Horcones is a dead ringer for the complex composed of the Pyramid of the Moon and the Avenue of the Dead at Teotihuacan, and artifacts and monuments point to a direct Teotihuacan presence in the region. It is hard to believe that the Aztecs were not the imitators here, and that Teotihuacan was the first to interest itself in the cacao plantations and trade routes of the region. The contact did not stop there, but extended to what may be a Teotihuacan colony at Montana, Guatemala. This settlement, surrounded by others like it within a 3 mile (5 km) radius, is endowed with magnificent incense burners, portrait figurines, and an enigmatic square object known to specialists as candeleros or “candle holders,” though their function is not known. And Montana was not alone. In 1969 tractors plowing the fields in the Tiquisate region of the Pacific coastal plain of Guatemala, an area located southwest of Lake Atitlan that is covered with ancient (and untested) mounds, unearthed rich tombs and caches containing a total of over 1,000 ceramic objects. These have been examined by Nicholas Hellmuth of the Foundation for Latin American Archaeological Research; the collection consists of elaborate two-piece censers (according to Karl Taube symbolizing the souls of dead warriors), slab-legged tripod cylinders, hollow mold-made figures, and other objects, all in Teotihuacan style. Numerous finds of fired clay molds suggest that these were mass-produced from Teotihuacan prototypes by military-merchant groups intruding from central Mexico during the last half of the Early Classic. Contacts must have been intense and conducted at the highest levels. Taube has detected Maya-style ceramics at Teotihuacan, some made locally, perhaps in an ethnic enclave at the city. Legible Maya glyphs from murals in the Tetitla apartment compound at Teotihuacan attest to royal names and rituals of god-impersonation. Very likely, these refer not to mere craftsmen brought from the Maya region, but to dynastic elites. Yet the movement of these people must have been complex. Under the immense Pyramid of the Moon, Saburo Sugiyama and colleagues discovered a burial with three bodies, dating to AD 350–400, accompanied by carved jades and a seated, Maya-like figure of greenstone. The positioning of this figure and the bodies nearby, all buried upright with crossed legs, resembles patterns in tombs at Kaminaljuyu in Highland Guatemala; the date, too, is close to a period of marked contact between Tikal and Teotihuacan-related people. Bone chemistry suggests that at least one of the occupants of the tomb came from the Maya region, but spent much of his life at this important Mexican city.
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Hero and champion for the Zapotecs in Terra Magna
Lion.Kanzen replied to Lopess's topic in Rise of the East
In my view, the jaguar is late post classic in the Mixtecs. While Teotihuacán only existed in the classical period or when the Spanish arrived, they no longer existed.(They were basically replaced by Mexicas) -
Hero and champion for the Zapotecs in Terra Magna
Lion.Kanzen replied to Lopess's topic in Rise of the East
No, I would rather change Archer Mixteca and Jaguar Teotihucano. -
Hero and champion for the Zapotecs in Terra Magna
Lion.Kanzen replied to Lopess's topic in Rise of the East
If the deck in the entire American continent is the caveman weapon But effective even against 16th century Europeans. -
mesoamerican [Design] guide to make Mesoamerican mod.
Lion.Kanzen replied to Lion.Kanzen's topic in Projects
In 378, the Teotihuacanos brought projectile warfare into the Mayan region and tipped the balance of power in favor of large Mayan cities like Tikal, with rulers like Smoking- Frog. These lowland Maya developed religious- and astronomy- based warfare among elites that became known as “star wars.” The kin-city competitions for resources, natural and supernatural, dominated classic Mayan warfare from 378 to 900, when warfare may have helped to collapse classical Maya civilization. In most cases, these early and classic period civilizations in Mesoamerica focused on elite warfare and weaponry, with religion and trade as key motivating factors. Most “armies” numbered less than a thousand soldiers, were supported logistically by commoners, and sought out captives as a way of removing rival dynasties and usurping power. It was as important to take religious items of power as it was to take a city. By the early post-Classic period, between 700 and 900, warfare began to change significantly. https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2015/08/14/mesoamerican-warfare-1200-b-c-e-1521-c-e/ -
Hero and champion for the Zapotecs in Terra Magna
Lion.Kanzen replied to Lopess's topic in Rise of the East
Since I came back someone had mentioned considering 14 factions. But it will always be against what it is that they are more difficult to balance, so many civilizations that we have. Not to mention all the ones that are planned in the team forums.The team forum is secret, but sometimes they leak the posts. -
Hero and champion for the Zapotecs in Terra Magna
Lion.Kanzen replied to Lopess's topic in Rise of the East
It will basically depend on two aspects. The work of the mod team. And that basically those responsible for the launches that the official team of 0A.D (Council of Modders) were going to put in agreement with a launch. -
Hero and champion for the Zapotecs in Terra Magna
Lion.Kanzen replied to Lopess's topic in Rise of the East
Teotihuacanos utilized military orders of eagles, jaguars, and so on, special housing, regular production of weapons, and nodal control of trade centers over 1,500 miles distant. Astronomy and religion seem to have played a large role in how and why war was carried out at the end of Teotihuacan hegemony. ---Well, I thought that the Mexica had invented that.----- Now we can see why those Tehotihuacans were not easy to defeat. -
Hero and champion for the Zapotecs in Terra Magna
Lion.Kanzen replied to Lopess's topic in Rise of the East
Weapons of attack at a distance: Among the weapons of attack at a distance that the Mixtecs used were the typical bows and arrows, whose tips must have been of obsidian, flint or flint. Also present was the use of the atlatl, a common weapon in all Mesoamerica. Melee weapons: Among the melee weapons, the Mixtecs fought with a variety of clubs and spears, some similar to the Mexica tepoztopilli, but smaller. A weapon that appears frequently in the codices is striking, it is a wooden stick bent at a 90° angle, with stone blades (whether flint, flint or obsidian) on top; this weapon seems to have been representative of the Mixtec and Zapotec area. Source: Mixtec Culture http://www.mexicomipais.com/cultura-mixteca ------ It should be noted that in this classic period of Mesoamerica where the Zapotecs are, they still get along well with the Mixtecs, so a force of mercenaries could be the Mixtec archers. The only unknown here is: what military contribution to the war would the Teotihucanos have. The other question is to see what contribution the Mayans of this time had towards the Zapotecs, what do we know that in reverse the tribes of the Valley of Mexico for so quite militarily to the Mayan conflicts. So I would include archers, maceman, spear and some other weapon. -
Hero and champion for the Zapotecs in Terra Magna
Lion.Kanzen replied to Lopess's topic in Rise of the East
apparently as the archers came from the North one thing that was most imported, although the Mayans did so in the postclassic period. We're Archers. This means that the Mayans their projectile preference was skings and blowguns. And that the mercenaries who came from the Valley of Mexico what they used the most were weapons from the Valley of Mexico. Maya warriors made weapons from wood, stone, flint blades and obsidian. With these materials they made spears of different lengths and stone and obsidian axes that received the generic name of b'aj. In addition there were the jul or throwing weapons, such as blowguns, javelins and slingshots. Due to the influence of central Mexico, the atlatl, or spear thrower, was incorporated, which in the Mayan language was called jatz'om, in addition to the bow and arrows which, according to some researchers, were also introduced by Mexican mercenaries during the Postclassic period (900-1521 A.D.) or by the Chontal Maya during the Terminal Classic period (800-900 A.D.). ----------By the way I am from the cell phone I do not have to use quotes here---- This means that in the Valley of Mexico there were a number of mercenaries, we have to focus on the type of soldiers in the Valley of Mexico. -
Hero and champion for the Zapotecs in Terra Magna
Lion.Kanzen replied to Lopess's topic in Rise of the East
https://historia.nationalgeographic.com.es/a/temibles-guerreros-ciudades-mayas_7109 generally these data can be provided by the Mayans. _____ By the way... It says something here about battle priests, at least in Mayan society. NOBLES AND MERCENARIES Today we know that each city had its men ready to fight. They were mostly nobles, the best trained and who could have the most complete equipment. The highest-ranking military officer was the Nacom, who was chosen from among the best for a period of three years. In addition to leading the troops, he also acted as a military priest. In the Mayan armies there was no lack of mercenaries, generally of Mexican origin, who rented their services to the highest bidder. When the Nacom died in battle or was captured, the war was over and the victors returned to the city with their prisoners alive and the heads of the dead hanging from their belts. Well, neither you nor I thought that the greatest mercenaries were always from the Valley of Mexico. -
Two-Gendered Citizens Mod (Please Test!)
Lion.Kanzen replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in Game Modification
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asherah Ma also worshiped the sexual aspects of women in terms of female fertility. This was done by all the Semitic and Middle Eastern peoples like the Hittites. The concept of mother goddess is in all civilizations. I wonder what relationship exists for example in all the deities of the bronze age with syncretism and the deity of the iron age. -
Two-Gendered Citizens Mod (Please Test!)
Lion.Kanzen replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in Game Modification
So the Celts had that conception just like the Romans had of virility? -
The Carthaginians traveled quite long. By the way, the map is quite accurate because it really does have a little Mesoamerican touch. most of the places where the Indians lived were pine forests what a beautiful time they are combined with slightly arid lands.
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Why are Kushite and Carthage mercenary camps still limited?
Lion.Kanzen replied to Alar1k's topic in General Discussion
What was there before, I mean was there something planned on the team forums? What I had suggested was at least thought or planned before? , My idea comes from Warcraft 3, AoE 3 and RT I -
Mesoamerican movies, series , media[ references]
Lion.Kanzen replied to Lion.Kanzen's topic in General
A number of references both building style with small details and eyecandy stuff. Combat style. Language Naualth. -
They much date from the time of Cortés. But it's not like Mesoamerica's battle style has changed much.
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Hero and champion for the Zapotecs in Terra Magna
Lion.Kanzen replied to Lopess's topic in Rise of the East
The scout may well be a runner. -
gameplay Wonders seem unfocused and unnecessary
Lion.Kanzen replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in Gameplay Discussion
The task of doing that is very relevant, so I need a bit of programming, and we have definitely lacked sound engineers in a long time. -
===[COMMITTED]=== Macedonian wonder
Lion.Kanzen replied to Tomcelmare's topic in Completed Art Tasks
I have to look for it because I moved it from my original folder but it was created to have it in another alternative cloud. -
No me fijado porque estuve mucho tiempo fuera, dónde trae las imágenes de dichos elementos artísticos.
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al menos con los mayas creo que deberíamos de hacer eso teniendo la referencia.
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Civ: Germans (Cimbri, Suebians, Goths)
Lion.Kanzen replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in Delenda Est
There are already some designs that I made but I don't know which textures you mean, For buildings and textures would be necessary. Although also if you think you could improve my textures in case they have not l pleased to wowgetoff... -
Cómo van con el desarrollo de murallas para los mayas. The Mayans having a wall that part of the stone and another part was a kind of palisade. Or kind a fence.
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Yes but but mine could end up in jail in the United States. Lol. _______leaving aside the jokes ---- + I remember that in EE there was a unit that was a diplomat and in RoN there was then another general or hero type unit that could bribe your units...
