camels instead horses (sele)

[Hidan]

hi i am big 0 a.d. fan, its possible to replace camel javelins instead horse javelins for seleucids? Their cover looks other as in game. Seleucids did use camels in some battles: (wikipedia)

@Stan` @borg- @Nescio

Thx for read. keep healthy

[Carltonus]

Suggest you keep researching and to not rely much on Wikipedia.

Maybe an Atlas-only unit?

[Stan`]

@Nescio
@borg-
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[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

The jav cav represent the Persian cavalry contingent of the Seleucid army. Persia was a significant contributor to Seleucid cavalry arm. The Agema cavalry as well as Hetairoi would eventually be comprised primarily of Hellenized Persians. Additionally, they provided national contingents of light cavalry, which is why the jav cav are Persian horse cavalry in-game.

Edited January 17, 2021 by wowgetoffyourcellphone

[Hidan]

Seleucids have athenian javelin cavalry, not persian.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

2 hours ago, Hidan said:

Seleucids have athenian javelin cavalry, not persian.

Oh, those are Citizen Cavalry from the Syrian Tetrapolis. In DE the Seleucids have Persian Light Cavalry as well. EA doesn't? 

[flint1]

Hey, I guess it's EA yes but not sure about it.

Edited November 17, 2022 by flint1

[Stan`]

It's hard to keep track of everything DE does so if someone wants an actor to be updated from there just let me know the name of the actor and the reason EA's is incorrect

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

2 hours ago, Stan` said:

It's hard to keep track of everything DE does so if someone wants an actor to be updated from there just let me know the name of the actor and the reason EA's is incorrect

It's a matter of civ design actually. DE's jav cav is Persian Light Cavalry, while EA's is Greek-style Militia Cavalry. Both are attested, it's just DE chooses to go with more ethnic diversity in this case. DE actually keeps the Militia Cavalry as a unit trainable from the Military Colony, while putting the Persian Light Cavalry into the Stable. The Persian Light Cav in DE just use copies of actors from the Persian civ. Copies for future differentiation, as was the original suggestion. 

[Stan`]

@Nescio @borg- ? ^

[Nescio]

Camel troops (as opposed to transport camels) used by the Seleucids are attested on one occassion, the Battle of Magnesia in 189 BC. They were Arab auxiliaries (and not that effective either) and described because of their unusualness. Replacing Seleucid cavalry with camels is not really representative.

On the other hand, I don't know of any occassion where the Ptolemies fielded camel troops, yet they are a starting unit in game.

[Thorfinn the Shallow Minded]

1 hour ago, Nescio said:

On the other hand, I don't know of any occassion where the Ptolemies fielded camel troops, yet they are a starting unit in game

Rome Total War features them, and that game is known as an objectively historically accurate source.

[badosu]

I think I love the enthusiast community more than the game itself, how do you guys know so much about stuff like this?

[soloooy0]

They were preceded by falcado chariots and Arab archers mounted on dromedaries32

 

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalla_de_Magnesia

 

[Carltonus]

@Hidan already made a thread like this:

For the sake of satisfying them, why not create an Atlas-only Nabatean skirmisher with the same stats as the mercenary Blemmye ones?

The unit icon for the Seleucid cavalry skirmisher needs to be changed though, currently it's a re-use of the Achaemenid Median cavalry. Persian, not Hellenistic.

A bit off-topic, but from the recent changelog the Odrysian skirmishers and Thessalian lancers for Macedonian faction has been reverted to their old icons instead of changing their teamcolor texture to green.

Edited January 27, 2021 by Carltonus