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It's every single TG on regular hours on every single day of the week! Really, nobody can play a TG on regular hours anymore. It's not a sporadic issue.

Being Ddos'd into oblivion as we speak. Was playing in @nani 's game. The usual thing, can't do anything for a few mins outside of 0ad too. Cannot even connect to the lobby for a good while even thoug

Do not split community with different lobbies ;/.  A lot of players in 0ad but not enough for multiple multiplayer lobbies.

Even though we would like to do something, we really cannot do much. Since your IP in the lobby is made public, everyone can figure that out. Yes it has been made harder to figure it out in svn, but in theory one always can figure it out. When someone is DDOS'ing your network. That is 100% out of our control.

I only can give some advice:

- Try setting another port when hosting your game (a stupid DDOS dude would only try the default, so might help a bit)

- Use direct hosting/joining (you will need to share your IP via some other platform)

- Contact your ISP, maybe they can blacklist some IP's

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2 hours ago, bb_ said:

- Try setting another port when hosting your game (a stupid DDOS dude would only try the default, so might help a bit)

To an extent this won't work if your ISP provides a public IP.  DDOS is performed on all/random ports.  Goal is to choke the pipe to prevent any bandwidth from getting out.  It's a sufficient choke of the bandwidth to bring down a 200 mbit connection. @aixo

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From your graphs, it looks like the router is being overloaded with packets, not necessarily bandwidth. A million tiny packets on a home router would still starve it.

7 hours ago, badosu said:

Is there a way to make some functionality to deregister from lobby after game starts? That could help.

All this need in an interface to do. Alternatively, proxy the requests done through the lobby. That way, the DDoSer would need to connect to the host before he can get a public IP. Basically, don't advertise public IPs, just relay them to the actual host when they want to connect.

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9 hours ago, badosu said:

Is there a way to make some functionality to deregister from lobby after game starts? That could help.

If host joins the lobby with a second 0ad process the game disappears, a player needs to know your ip  to rejoin if he leaves game

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4 hours ago, badosu said:

I'd be up to making a mod to help with this, but I'm not sure I understand your tips.

There are two functions exposed to JS in the lobby. You can use these functions. See, https://github.com/0ad/0ad/blob/d15248f72db6116fec09fe11b50f55a39aba5917/source/lobby/scripting/JSInterface_Lobby.h#L44
 

void SendRegisterGame(ScriptInterface::CmptPrivate* pCmptPrivate, JS::HandleValue data);
void SendUnregisterGame(ScriptInterface::CmptPrivate* pCmptPrivate);

 

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> Is there a way to make some functionality to deregister from lobby after game starts? That could help.

This is possible, in fact it is even possible to hack some naive way into the A23 lobby. Note to someone coding it: make sure dropped players can return. Late observers maybe less important. @badosuto do this one needs to adapt the lobby bots: only send the games which satisfy certain conditions to the clients. To actually implement it in the lobby, we should update the lobby bots we run. I am not able to do this but I guess user1 can (and otherwise I can ping other ppl). I think the easiest way to propose the change is making a phab revision with the changes (a mod won't work for this issue, since we need to change the serverside).

Also a proactive ddos'er can still store the ip's of games being hosted and kill them when they disappear (obviously it will make it harder for the ddos'er).

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We get attacked constantly, this is crazy! It doesn't make sense to start a game, because it will be over in a few minutes because of a (D)DoS attack. All the players get disconnected. The host crashes. It's over. All the time. We can't use the multiplayer mode because of this vulnerability. It's not fun anymore... We have to focus on this issue and solve it together. The whole 0 A.D. community should know how serious this issue is. I hate (D)DoS attacks, I hate getting disconnected from games. Some hosts claim they are protected, then their game crashes too. Multiplayer 0 A.D. is dying. Developers, please help us! How can we help you? Players, please think together! How to prevent these attacks, or how to get immune to them? This is more than frustrating!

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How much time does it take, in your opinion? I'm not an 0 A.D. developer, so I don't know if fixing this takes 1 month or 2 years. But I'm really happy to know that 0 A.D. developers are trying to come up with a solution. This would be the best christmas present!

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Rigorously speaking, one could fix this *only for the hosts dropping* by changing the codebase to allow for dedicated hosts: that includes bots commands to set map, civs, teams, etc. and gamesetup and headless mode. *Then* servers would have to be purchased and setup for that.

This still would not prevent players being attacked, perhaps would increase surface area for attacker enough to get it mitigated though. To prevent players from being attacked the whole lobby infrastructure would have to be rewritten to be centralized so only the dedicated server knows player IPs.

This would be huge, at least months if not years indeed.

A tentative mitigation strategy with mods to make the attack as difficult as possible or an investigation on the perpetrator modus operandi with a tutorial on how to prevent being attacked currently seems the only feasible approach in the short term.

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1. That's a good question, it seems attacker sends packets that look like NTPv2 packets so pattern matching on that could help but they can change approach. No extensive (public) investigation on the attack was performed yet AFAIK tho.

2. It can, as I said on short term a tutorial on how to defend yourself is one short term attempt. Unfeasible though for non technical-savvy players.

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On 06/12/2020 at 7:57 PM, go2die said:

just make another lobby for players who paid for that... mothly fee $10 wont hurt much

If it isn't much for you why do you think it's not the same for the one doing those attacks.


A proxy service backed by a ddos mitigation service like azure or cloudflare would solve the issue. Would also reduce the need for people to fiddle with their own firewalls. As 0ad is free and open source it shouldn't be all that difficult to get a sponsorship deal if a couple hundred dollars yearly are hard to bear.

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We should know everything about the attacks.

  1. What symptomps make us think that we are under attack?
  2. Which symptomps are unrelated to the attacks?
  3. Which symptomps are the real signs of the attacks?
  4. How can we analyze the attacks?
    1. How can we educate ourselves on hacking, what topics should we focus on?
    2. What sources, methods or tools can we use to collect all the information about the previous and future attacks?
  5. How can we categorize the attacks, based on targets, sources, timing, intensity, effects, methods etc.?
    1. Who are the targets?
    2. Where are the attacks coming from?
    3. When are we attacked?
    4. How long do attacks last?
    5. What do we know about the instensity (in Mb/s, number of packets, etc.)?
    6. Do all the attacks have the exact same effect?
    7. Do all the attacks use the exact same method?
  6. How could we copy the attacks, to test our systems?
  7. How can we predict, detect, analyze all the attack faster and more precisely?

In my opinion, we have to know every little detail about the attacks, in order to come up with the best solution.
Can these questions be improved? What else should we clarify? Do you have an answer? Please comment.

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1. Multiple hosts and players with hardware or software monitoring were able to see extremely high loads unrelated to the game itself, happens only when playing 0ad. Most notably one can see on aforementioned Dizaka thread.
2. Regular connection issues
3. Extremely high load when playing 0ad, sometimes shutting off all of the user's networking.
4. Good question, I'd like to see that. The best way is to have hardware monitoring capabilities, though some seem to have been able to track via tcpdump
5. Same as above, still not fully described, but Dizakas insights are relevant here.
6. ..
7 ..
 

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