===[COMMITTED]=== Hellenic Helmets

[Alexandermb]

Hannibal Hero Helmet:

Spoiler

 

[wackyserious]

@Alexandermb Do not forget the two plumes on the sides

[Ultimate Aurelian]

Silver plated iron helmet from Prodromi,  hard to classify:

 

Could be used for Epirote Hero Alexander II (At the moment using Phillip II as a placeholder).

Edited May 12, 2020 by Ultimate Aurelian

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

@Alexandermb

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[Orphydian]

On 7/31/2019 at 1:42 PM, Lion.Kanzen said:

Another interpretation of Pyrrus helmet and based in some coins Attic? Seleukos I 

 

Pontic helmets.(?)

Indo Greeks.

 

I think the Pyrus helmet illustration was inspired by these eastern hellenistic busts attached bellow. I dont know what Pyrhus has to do with them.

On the presumably Pontic helmet: where did you find that second coin and why you hinted it might be  Pontic ?

 

Edited June 7, 2020 by Orphydian

[Orphydian]

I think the late popular hellenistic Ascalon and /or Sidon type designs could use at least one more variant to do it justice that could use as starting point  this existing  interesting Thraco-attic variant  with some modifications on the neck guard and brim.

The russians guy from Natus ob Imperium mod pretty nailed the design Im hinting at:

some wargaming.net stuff etc

 

Edited June 7, 2020 by Orphydian

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

Some Greco-Bactrian and Indo-Greek helmets would be awesome additions (I'd really like to add the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom to Delenda Est).

 

But higher priority is Boeotian helmets with plumes. We have various uncrested and crested variants, but none with plumes (which is what they're usually depicted with in illustrations).

Edited June 7, 2020 by wowgetoffyourcellphone

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

Alexander hero helmet plz? 

Others can perhaps find primary sources.

[Ultimate Aurelian]

Just now, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Others can perhaps find primary sources.

He is often depicted with a lion headdress, since he claimed that Herakles was his ancestor.

 

https://www.artic.edu/artworks/199227/tetradrachm-coin-portraying-alexander-the-great-wearing-the-head-of-the-nemean-lion-as-a-helmet

http://forum.alexander-the-great.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=533

 

[Genava55]

Not necessarily accurate but it gives an idea how it could have been. Although the symbolic depiction of the lion skin is maybe probably mythological.

Edit:

Different coins minted by Alexander and his successors:

https://www.coinarchives.com/a/results.php?search=Alexander+the+Great+&s=0&results=100

https://www.moderncoinmart.com/info-vault/articles/coins-of-alexander-the-great.html

https://coinsweekly.com/the-coins-of-alexander-iii-the-great-of-macedonia/

Edited June 16, 2020 by Genava55

[Lion.Kanzen]

let me ask to alexandermb...

[Lion.Kanzen]

Alexander is busy with Animal animations and Bactrian Camel.

[Ultimate Aurelian]

On 5/26/2020 at 10:05 AM, Orphydian said:

I think the Pyrus helmet illustration was inspired by these eastern hellenistic busts attached bellow. I dont know what Pyrhus has to do with th

 

Maybe use a laurel helmet ?

[Orphydian]

which of the helmets in this topic are in the game right now?

Edited July 7, 2022 by Orphydian

[Stan`]

3 minutes ago, Orphydian said:

which all of the helmets in this topic are in the game right now?

All of them in theory.

[Orphydian]

in the alpha yauna? Do you guys plan to update the icons and UI images of these units as well?

Regarding UI : will the civilizations have custom building icons instead of the generic ones? Like the agora to have a proper depiction of how it actually looks like for seleucids for ex

Edited July 7, 2022 by Orphydian

[Stan`]

17 minutes ago, Orphydian said:

in the alpha yauna? Do you guys plan to update the icons and UI images of these units as well?

Probably even in Xsarsaya. Some have been updated by @wowgetoffyourcellphone

17 minutes ago, Orphydian said:

Regarding UI : will the civilizations have custom building icons instead of the generic ones? Like the agora to have a proper depiction of how it actually looks like for seleucids for ex

If someone makes them, sure. As long as they fit the style of the others.

[Orphydian]

well, if you have the models already, would be too bad to use the renders for icons (at least before something more stylized based on the renders is created)? I think they will look better and more immersive than some generic building icons

[Stan`]

Maybe, I'm not sure. but it's time I do not have currently.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

1 hour ago, Orphydian said:

Regarding UI : will the civilizations have custom building icons instead of the generic ones? Like the agora to have a proper depiction of how it actually looks like for seleucids for ex

It was decided to keep the building icons generic for ease of recognition. A civic center for the Athenians has the same function in-game as a civic center for the Romans, so they have the same icon. I'd be happy to assist you in making a mod to change this though if you'd like. As I understand you, you mean you'd like each icon to be a portrait of the civ's structure.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

1 hour ago, Orphydian said:

which of the helmets in this topic are in the game right now?

 

1 hour ago, Stan` said:

All of them in theory.

I think he means updated versions. Some of them are updated to better versions, but some, like Alexander's helmet, still needs updated. Alexander's current helmet model and texture is from many years ago and is quite low-detail compared to the newer helmets.

[Orphydian]

2 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

It was decided to keep the building icons generic for ease of recognition. A civic center for the Athenians has the same function in-game as a civic center for the Romans, so they have the same icon. I'd be happy to assist you in making a mod to change this though if you'd like. As I understand you, you mean you'd like each icon to be a portrait of the civ's structure.

I mean it's too generic to the point they seem like placeholders no offense. For a historical strategy game that is set in a very particular era and intends to be more immersive than some other comercial ones like Age of Empires.  My two cents: for the type of players that are into this era, an agora-like icon is more recognizable and relevant than a generic building icon for helenistic factions. And would be pretty darn recognizable as a main building even for somebody that doesn't know too much history.

I thought the UI wasn't finished and polished by any means but you are telling me otherwise. And nope I dont want a mod because I can't stand and play the game otherwise, I was just giving some input for the game development in areas where I didn't find any official task opened. I might know some 2d artists for the job but if the policy doesn't find these kinds of refinements to the UI desirable, forget about it.

[Stan`]

I mean if you can come up with better alternatives under CCBYSA3+ by all means be our guest. But for now it's the best we can do with the time and resources at our disposal