Japan in the Period of 0 A.D.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

6 minutes ago, Lopess said:

 I'm trying to recreate it based on the images from the forum, there's still a lot to be done for everyone who wants to help will be welcome especially about the civ icon and unit textures. I'll make a branch available in the repository I already have and with the original 3d file soon.

These are a good start. The texture is nice. 

@Lion.Kanzen got any references for a possible civ emblem?  

[Lion.Kanzen]

28 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

These are a good start. The texture is nice. 

@Lion.Kanzen got any references for a possible civ emblem?  

We need to re-investigate.

 

If it's just Yayoi faction there are probably there were artisan-crafts.

[Lion.Kanzen]

It's funny how the search engine throws me here to the forum itself.

this was in the forum, there are symbols like that kind of sun.

Then there's this.

But I don't know what it is.

Maybe a mix...

Or simply a wooden shield with the symbol of the sun already painted or an ornamental figure.

[Lion.Kanzen]

I found new material.

everything is in Kanji.

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

[Lion.Kanzen]

http://doyouknowjapan.com/history/yayoi/

[Lion.Kanzen]

there are a couple of new details in the link.

Relationship with Han Dynasty.

According to Chinese history books, "Ronko" (Lunheng) written in The Later Han Dynasty provides knowledge about Wa in the Zhou period, and historical records of the Han Dynasty explains about Wa in the age of the former Han dynasty, such as; people of Wa were living in many separated provinces and they sent an envoy.

 

"History of the Later Han Dynasty" (the period of the Northern and Southern Dynasties, established in 432) describes that Wano Nano Kokuo (the King of Japan) received Kanno Wano Nano Kokuo Kinin (the Golden Seal of the King of Japan, Chinese Colony) from Kobu-tei (Emperor Guangwu) of The Later Han Dynasty in 57. Also Suisho the King of Wa (倭国王帥升) (also written as 倭面土國王帥升) sent seiko (slave) to The Later Han Dynasty in 107.

 

"Gishiwajinden" (literally, an 'Account of the Wa' in "The History of the Wei Dynasty") from Sangokushi (Annals of the Three Kingdoms) describes state of Wakoku in the third century in detail that Queen Himiko ruled over the Yamatai-Koku kingdom.

 

Although there is no evidence of an official negotiation between Wakoku and Wu in the Three Kingdoms period, two Gabuntai Shinjukyo Mirror (Mirror with figures of duties and sacred animals) with the name of the era in Wu exists as a relic.

 

One was excavated from Toriibarakitsunezuka Tumulus in Ichikawa Misatocho (former Mitamacho), Nishiyatsushiro district, Yamanashi Prefecture and it has an inscription about counting years of Sekiu Gannen (year 1) Year (in 238).

 

Another was excavated from Akura Tumulus in Takarazuka City, Hyogo Prefecture and it has an inscription about counting years of year seven in Sekiu (in 244).

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

I found a kind of historical reconstruction. 

It looks like a later period but, the details of the materials are fine.

 

It looks like medieval or late antiquity of Japan.

Kofun-Yamato.

 

there are many details that it shares with the Yayoi period.

The war paint, the ribbons on the pants.

 

https://isuzugawa.ti-da.net/e5872420.html

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

6 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

These are a good start. The texture is nice. 

@Lion.Kanzen got any references for a possible civ emblem?  

I'm thinking about the mirror, but I don't think I can do it alone.

https://www.japanese-wiki-corpus.org/history/Sankakubuchi Shinjukyo Mirror.html

The plan is do the usual since the Athenian emblem, so that it doesn't look ugly, give it a background color.

I need those figures made in drawing.

[Lion.Kanzen]

About the Mirror.

 

The theory of Himiko's mirror

Based on the story that the princess of Yamatai-Koku kingdom, Himiko was considered to be dispatched to the Wei dynasty and according to a description in the Chinese history book "Sangokushi" (Three Kingdom Saga - history book) 'Gishiwajinden' (literally, an 'Account of the Wa' in "The History of the Wei Dynasty") that in 239 the Emperor of the Wei dynasty (Three Kingdoms) gave a hundred bronze mirrors as an imperial grant to Himiko, there is the theory that Sankakubuchi Shinjukyo Mirror was the said mirror and it was produced in the Wei dynasty or Rakuro County or Taiho County (ancient counties that existed in the northern Korean Peninsula) in the Korean Peninsula.

 

When Shinjukyo (the mirror engraved divine beasts) was discovered in the Tsubaiotsukayama-kofun Tumulus in Yamashiro-cho, Kyoto Prefecture (Kyoto Prefecture) (currently, Kizugawa City) in 1953, Yukio KOBAYASHI focused on the fact that the same form of mirrors were discovered in the various places in Japan and advocated Yamatai-Koku kingdom located in Yamato and the process of the establishment of an ancient government that Shinjukyo granted to Himiko by later Yamato sovereignty (the ancient Japan sovereignty) were given to Gozoku (local ruling family) in the various places. However, some people say that it is impossible to imagine such a dynamic process with the distributing the same form of mirrors. Recently, the case of many Sankakubuchi Shinjukyo Mirrors buried with a dead person in the Kurozuka Tumulus in Nara Prefecture was clarified, which reflected that the Sankakubuchi Shinjukyo Mirror was not so uncommon amongst buried people.

[Lion.Kanzen]

Scholar Controversy.

 

The theory of mirrors being made in Japan

On the other hand, because of the fact that no mirror similar to the Sankakubuchi Shinjukyo Mirror was ever discovered in China and that some mirrors had the name of eras already changed in China or had nonexistent eras, there are theories that they were made in Japan or produced by the craftsmen that came from China, or they were made in China and loaded on a ship destined to Japan or they were modeled on Chinese mirrors and produced in Japan.

 

Discussion about the Sankakubuchi Shinjukyo Mirror

Because Sankakubuchi Shinjukyo Mirrors were discovered mainly in the Kinai region, many researchers advocating the Yamatai-Koku kingdom in the Kinai region maintain Himiko's mirror and many researchers advocating Yamatai-Koku kingdom in Kyushu region maintain the mirrors were produced in Japan. However, some researchers maintaining that the mirrors were produced in Japan advocate Yamatai-Koku kingdom being in the Kinai region. Some of them advocate that the Sankakubuchi Shinjukyo Mirror was produced in Japan by craftsmen and others in the Wu dynasty (Three Kingdom) in celebration of Himiko's dispatch.

On the other hand, researchers advocating the Yamatai-Koku kingdom in the Kyushu region consider the all Sankakubuchi Shinjukyo Mirrors were be forged by future generations (though the name of era in Wei dynasty was inscribed on them.)

Researchers advocating that the mirror was produced in Japan point out the following questions while those advocating Himiko's mirror disagree.

 

Questions

It doesn't chronologically match because Sankakubuchi Shinjukyo Mirror was discovered only in a tumulus after the fourth century, never in tombs after the third century which corresponds to the era of the Yamatai-Koku kingdom.

 

No Sankakubuchi Shinjukyo Mirrors have been discovered in China and Chinese scholars say that it is not Chinese.

 

There is the mirror with the inscription of the name of a Chinese era which didn't exist after the change of the era.

 

Though 100 bronze mirrors were given to Himiko as an imperial grant, many more Sankakubuchi Shinjukyo Mirrors were discovered.

 

Counterargument

No Sankakubuchi Shinjukyo Mirrors were left in China because it was specially made for theYamatai-Koku kingdom.

 

The third year of Keisho (239) was the year when the month of the New Year of the fourth year of Keisho was regarded as being after December, which showed it was a time of turmoil.

 

Later, as well, Himiko was given bronze mirrors several times.

 

Against the argument that Sankakubuchi Shinjukyo Mirror was discovered only in tumulus after the fourth century, it consistently shows that this mirror was made in the Wei dynasty because the beginning of the Tumulus period was moved up to the third century and it was discovered in the tumulus chronologically in the third century due to the recent study results of the chronology in annual rings. That mirrors inscribed with 239 and 240 were also made in those years is understandable without question. On the contrary, the theory that this mirror was not related to the Yamatai-Koku kingdom despite the name of the era as maintained by researchers who advocate Yamatai-Koku kingdom in Kyushu region is rather inconsistent.

 

Though there is no crucial evidence to determine whether the Sankakubuchi Shinjukyo Mirror was made in the Wei dynasty or in Japan, it is one of the compelling evidences of the Yamato theory of the Yamatai-Koku kingdom because the mirror inscribed with the years 239 and 240 can be considered to be mirrors from the third century as seen when counting years according to the accepted view of chronology in recent years. There is little doubt that the person who made the mirror wanted to use the name of Wei for some reason.

[Lion.Kanzen]

Don't be surprised to see the kofun period intertwined with the Yayoi.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kofun_period

 

[...]following the Yayoi period. The Kofun and the subsequent Asuka periods are sometimes collectively called the Yamato period. This period is the earliest era of recorded history in Japan, but studies depend heavily on archaeology since the chronology of historical sources tends to be distorted.

 

The Kofun period is called the Yamato period by some Western scholars, since this local chieftainship became the imperial dynasty at the end of the period. However, the Yamato clan ruled just one polity among others during the Kofun era. Japanese archaeologists emphasise that other regional chieftainships (such as Kibi) were in close contention for dominance in the first half of the Kofun period; Kibi's Tsukuriyama Kofun is Japan's fourth-largest.

[Lion.Kanzen]

Asian Diplomacy.

 

According to the Book of Sui, Silla and Baekje greatly valued relations with the Kofun-period Wa and the Korean kingdoms made diplomatic efforts to maintain their good standing with the Japanese.[19] The Book of Song reported that a Chinese emperor appointed the five kings of Wa in 451 to supervise military Affairs of Wa, Silla, Imna, Gara, Jinhan and Mahan.

 

Japanese records

 

According to the Nihon Shoki, Silla was conquered by the Japanese Empress-consort Jingū in the third century.[21] However, due to lack of evidence,[22] this story is considered to be mythological in nature. It reported that the prince of Silla came to Japan to serve the emperor of Japan,[23] and lived in Tajima Province. Known as Amenohiboko, his descendant is Tajima Mori.[24] According to Kojiki[25] and Nihon Shoki,[26] Geunchogo of Baekje presented stallions, broodmares and trainers to the Japanese emperor during Emperor Ōjin's reign.[27]

 

Korean records 

The Samguk sagi (Chronicles of the Three Kingdoms) reported that Baekje and Silla sent their princes as hostages to the Yamato court in exchange for military support to continue their military campaigns; King Asin of Baekje sent his son (Jeonji) in 397,[28] and King Silseong of Silla sent his son Misaheun in 402.[29] Hogong, from Japan, helped to found Silla.[30]

 

According to the Gwanggaeto Stele, Silla and Baekje were client states of Japan. Korea says that part of the stele can be translated in four different ways, depending on punctuation and supplying missing characters.[31] The Chinese Academy of Social Sciences investigated the stele and reported that it reads, "Silla and Baekje were client states of Japan".[32]

Edited January 31, 2022 by Lion.Kanzen

[Lion.Kanzen]

This topic is going to be to talk about the Period, probably more than one faction.

[Radiotraining]

7 hours ago, Lopess said:

 I'm trying to recreate it based on the images from the forum, there's still a lot to be done for everyone who wants to help will be welcome especially about the civ icon and unit textures. I'll make a branch available in the repository I already have and with the original 3d file soon.

Awesome stuff man!! I really, really like this style and how they're looking!  

[Lopess]

Background by @Radiotraining 

[maroder]

very nice @Radiotraining ! I really like the look.

Have you ever thought about making some for the main game?

[Radiotraining]

eh, thanks for asking! I was talking about this with Lopess ahahaha I mean.. yes it could be possible, but at the same time these are very much "experiments" for side-mods, I don't think myself as being really ready to deliver something for the official game (I'm not a professional artist, these are more like exercises ehehe). That's why I keep a low-profile. 

But hey! If you have some particular ideas and you don't have expectations too high and accept some attempts, we can talk about it!

[Carltonus]

7 hours ago, Lopess said:

Background by @Radiotraining 

Are the drawings of the red sun and the soldiers moving from side to side like the other 0 A.D. backgrounds? Those would be much appreciated.

A scenery of ancient Wa can be part of the middleground to complete it.

[Lopess]

30 minutes ago, Carltonus said:

Are the drawings of the red sun and the soldiers moving from side to side like the other 0 A.D. backgrounds? Those would be much appreciated.

A scenery of ancient Wa can be part of the middleground to complete it.

Yes @Radiotraining did that too. It's a good idea, we can do that when the buildings are finished.

Edited February 1, 2022 by Lopess

[Lopess]

  

2 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

in any case the correct name is Wa.

 

The terms Yayoi and Wajin can be used interchangeably, though "Wajin" (倭人) refers to the people of Wa and "Wajin" (和人) is another name for the modern Yamato people.[9]

 

Wa  (Jin means people in Japanese).

Anyone who has seen a popular anime like DB in Spanish must be familiar with the term.

Example. Saiya-jin.

https://doyouknowjapan.com/history/yayoi/

it's problematic to just refer to as Yayoi. 

 

@Lion.Kanzenso the civ's name could be Wa kingdoms / Wajin, or something more correct along those lines.

[Lion.Kanzen]

19 minutes ago, Lopess said:

  

@Lion.Kanzenso the civ's name could be Wa kingdoms / Wajin, or something more correct along those lines.

@wackyserious mentioned something.

[wackyserious]

2 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

@wackyserious mentioned something.

Wa-koku (wakoku)

[Lion.Kanzen]

 

 Whorl-shaped bronze shield ornament

A whorl-shaped bronze ornament with five arms twisting to the left, and a dome-shaped central boss. A rod-shaped handle is housed within the boss. The state of preservation is exceedingly good, and red iron oxide has been detected on both the interior and exterior surfaces. Diameter 5.6 cm.

http://archaeology.jp/sites/asahi/index.html

 

Edited February 3, 2022 by Lion.Kanzen

[Lion.Kanzen]

 

The use of hand shields dates back to the Yayoi and Kofun eras of Japan (300 BC to 538 AD). Many examples are excavated whole or in part along with their accompanying Bronze Age swords, bows, spears and armor. Along with that the clay figurines, Haniwa, exhibit shields exclusively among the “warriors” of the era. It can be assumed that from those examples that shields played a very important part in the early military of Japan. This kept up a steady pace until the warring states era in Muromachi (14th-16th century; early Sengoku era.)

 

　　　　At this point, there were still a variety of shield sizes to be had, largely depending on what your job on the theater of battle was. The majority were longer, covering the body, hand held with a simple handle on the back. These were made a variety of ways and came in different sizes, long and short, small and large. Small shields could be easily carried on horseback and were popular for cavalry. Longer shields were for the front lines could have a propping leg to stand them up, and move them forward in advance when necessary. As war changed, popularity waned and they became “obsolete” (later examples of them still do exist as part of armor, however, just not the same.)

 

https://ebadojo.weebly.com/125021252512464blog/-jidate-and-tedate-japanese-hand-shields

Edited February 3, 2022 by Lion.Kanzen