Japan in the Period of 0 A.D.

[Stan`]

11 minutes ago, LordGood said:

loving the fireflies

Glad you like them <3

[LordGood]

[LordGood]

[Stan`]

@LordGood Definitely save those showcase for a beautiful demo map <3

[LordGood]

[Lion.Kanzen]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xu_Fu

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Ancient scholars credited Xu Fu for being the founding father, and catalyst of the development of ancient Japanese society. Jōmon culture which had existed in ancient Japan for over 6,000 years suddenly disappeared around 300 BC. The farming techniques and knowledge that Xu brought along are said to have improved the quality of life of the ancient Japanese people and Xu Fu is said to have introduced many new plants and techniques to ancient Japan, albeit all the existing texts are mainly in Kanji text that now cannot be read by the present day Japanese. The worship of Xu Fu as the "God of farming", "God of medicine" and "God of silk" by the Japanese is attributed to these achievements. Numerous temples and memorials of Xu can be found in many places in Japan. In Xuzhou, there is a Xu Fu Research Institute attached to Xuzhou Teachers College.^[2]

The Japanese historian Ino Okifu identifies Emperor Jimmu of Japan with Xu Fu.^[4] After his arrival the Yayoi period started.^[5]

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

Take the main structure of this ship in mind.

[Lion.Kanzen]

https://youtu.be/5kvcALPPZoI

[Genava55]

On 11/1/2018 at 8:35 PM, Genava55 said:

Emishi culture with horse archer warfare (thought to be the origin of the samurai archery tradition):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emishi

http://emishi-ezo.net/

http://emishi-ezo.net/WhoEmishi.htm

http://emishi-ezo.net/Conquest/DestructionOfCastle.html

I want to add new interesting informations about the Emishi:

 

[Lopess]

any news for civ Yamato ?? 

[Stan`]

16 minutes ago, Lopess said:

any news for civ Yamato ?? 

The yamato are actually after 250 - 710 AD

This is the yayoi.

Still waiting for @LordGood to send me the files

[Lopess]

my fault, associate with aoe, would be a great addition to Terra Magna!

Edited March 28, 2020 by Lopess

[LordGood]

Im dumb and painting ponies

also no man's sky is great now I've been having lots of fun.

I've been itching to get back into 3D so we'll see

[Lion.Kanzen]

18 hours ago, LordGood said:

also no man's sky is great now I've been having lots of fun.

I want to try.

[AeternaTristitia]

I believe that it would be very nice to have Japan in 0AD.

[Genava55]

Slightly outside the period but interesting

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/two-rare-swords-found-6th-century-underground-tunnel-tomb-japan-006879

https://decouvertes-archeologiques.blogspot.com/2017/02/la-plus-longue-epee-de-lancien-japon.html?fbclid=IwAR2annmyLp-HF_fzo-Lux4M3W3KMQgubwHVhEyvBxAr2EfO75OHuFjexrBU

 

[Carltonus]

Think I can come up with a unit roster since no one called for such:

(Specific names are Old Japanese orthography followed by Modern Japanese, if former cannot be read as such)

Village (Mura) phase:

• Civic Center (Nezirö/Nejiro)
  • Japanese Woman (Womina/Omina or Onna)
  • Militia Spearman (Pokotuki/Hokotsuki), "Pikeman" Citizen; wields a two-handed spear, has shorter attack range than the Hellenistic counterparts and a bit more than the usual Spearman
  • Militia Archer (Ite), Archer Citizen
• Barracks (Sikömiba/Shikomiba)
  • Militia Spearman (Pokotuki/Hokotsuki), "Pikeman" Citizen
  • Milita Axeman (Onodukapi/Onozukai), Axeman Citizen
  • Militia Archer (Ite), Archer Citizen
  • Spearthrower (Nagëtuki/Nagetsuki), Skirmisher Citizen
• Dock (Tu/Tsu? literally "harbor")
  • Fishing boat (Turipune/Tsurifune)
• House (Ipe/Ie)
  • Japanese Woman (Womina/Omina or Onna)
• Storehouse (Kura)
• Farmstead (Makïba/Makiba)
• Farm (Nora) and/or Rice Paddy (Ta/Tanbo)
• Corral (Wori/Ori)
• Outpost (Mönömi/Monomi)
• Sentry Tower (Yagura)
• Palisade/Wooden Wall (Kupi/Kui)
  • Palisade/Wooden Gate (To)

Town (Mati/Machi) phase:

• Temple (Yasirö/Yashiro)
  • Shrine Priest (Nusi/Nushi)
  • Shrine Priestess (Miko)
  • Bellringer (Kanetuki/Kanetsuki), like the Gaulish Carnyx
• Siege Workshop (Takumiba)
  • Battering ram (Pasiradataki/Hashira-dataki), for gameplay purposes
• Market (Iti/Ichi)
  • Merchant (Akinapi/Akinai)
• Dock (Tu/Tsu?)
  • Trading ship (Akinapibune/Akinaibune)
  • Light transport ship (Pune/Fune)
  • Mercenary Chinese warship (Karapune/Karafune)
• Smithy (Kanutiba/Kajiba)
• Defense Tower (Yagura)
• Wall (Kabe)
  • Gate (Kïdo/Kido)
  • Wall Turret (Mönömi)
• Ainu Village (Kotan), special building; embassy-port hybrid
  • Ainu Hunter (Isonbe), Spearman/"Pikeman" Mercenary; no shield
  • Ainu Chief (Ottena), Priest Mercenary; maximum 3 per village built
  • Ainu fishing boat (Aritaomap)
  • Ainu transport ship (Cip/Chip)
• Hilltop Fort (Casi/Chashi), special building
  • Ainu Hunter (Isonbe), Spearman/"Pikeman" Mercenary
  • Jōmon Slinger (Isinagë/Ishinage or Tabute/Tsubute), Slinger Mercenary

City (Kuni) phase:

• Civic Center (Nezirö/Nejiro)
  • Himiko (Pimiko), Healer Heroine
  • Keikō (Opotarasipiko Osiröwakë/Ōtarashihiko Oshirowake), Archer Hero
  • Wousu/Ousu (Yamatötakëru/Yamatotakeru), Swordsman Hero
• Fortress (Kï/Ki)
  • Armored Spearman (Yari Tupamönö/Yari Tsuwamono), Spearman Champion
  • Armored Swordsman (Turuki Tupamönö/Tsurugi Tsuwamono), Swordsman Champion
  • Guard Archer (Yumi Tupamönö/Yumi Tsuwamono), Archer Champion
• Dock (Tu/Tsu?)
  • Mercenary Chinese medium warship (Kara Opobune/Kara Ōbune)
  • Fire Ship (Hïbune/Hibune)
• Hilltop Fort (Casi/Chashi)
  • Ainu Poison Archer (Akno), Archer Champion/Mercenary
• Wonder, probably Izumo Grand Shrine (Idumo Opoyasirö/Izumo Taisha) or Ise Grand Shrine

Empire (Opokuni/Ōkuni) phase, for Delenda Est:

(Suggestions? Kofun era? A stable that hires Champion/Citizen cavalry spearman and archer?)

Edited June 19, 2020 by Carltonus
Revised roster again

[Ultimate Aurelian]

1 hour ago, Carltonus said:

Think I can come up with a unit roster since no one called for such (this may be edited over time):

Village (Mura) phase:

Civic Center (?), morphed into the Yayoi style at Town phase
> Japanese Woman (Womina/Omina, depending on orthography)
> Pikeman Citizen (Yarituki/Yaritsuki); shorter attack range than the Hellenistic counterparts, a bit more than usual Spearman
> Archer Citizen (Ite)

Barracks (?)
> Pikeman Citizen (Yarituki/Yaritsuki)
> Swordsman Citizen (?)
> Archer Citizen (Ite)

Dock (Tu/Tsu?)
> Fishing boat (Turipune/Tsurifune)

Town (Mati/Machi, depending on orthography) phase:

Temple (Yasirö/Yashiro)
> Shrine priest (Nusi/Nushi)
> Shrine priestess (Miko)

Smithy (?)
> Battering ram (?, gameplay purposes)

Market (Iti/Ichi)
> Merchant (Akinapi/Akinai)

Dock (Tu/Tsu?)
> Trading ship (Akinapibune/Akinaibune)
> Mercenary Chinese light warship (Wopune/Ofune)

City (Kuni) phase:

Civic Center (?)
> Jimmu (Kamuyamatö Iparebiko), Archer Hero
> Himiko (Pimiko), Healer Heroine
> ? (?), Archer/Spearman/Swordsman Hero?

Fortress (Sirö/Shiro)
> Spearman Champion (?)
> Swordsman Champion (?)
> Archer Champion (?)

Dock (Tu/Tsu?)
> Mercenary Chinese medium warship (Opobune/Ōbune)

Wonder (?), probably Izumo Grand Shrine (Idumo Opoyasirö/Izumo Taisha)

Empire (Opokuni/Ōkuni) phase, for Delenda Est:

(Suggestions? Kofun era? A stable that hires Champion/Citizen cavalry spearman and archer?)

I'd replace the citizen swordsman with a citizen axeman, maybe also have a slinger (Jomon used slings).

Third hero could be Yamato Takeru

Maybe replace Jinmu with king Suisho or emperor Keiko; Jinmu may be a bit out of the timeline since he is said to have been born at 660 b.c (Yayoi period is usually said to have begun at 300 b.c, but some argue for 800 b.c or even 1000.bc).

I am not sure if Kofun should be the same civ, since Imperial Romans are a separate civ from Republic.

For the fortress you would have to speculate a little, it could be a hill fort with a earthwork palisade:

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The first fortifications in Japan were hardly what one generally associates with the term "castles". Made primarily of earthworks, or rammed earth, and wood, the earliest fortifications made far greater use of natural defences and topography than anything man-made. These kōgoishi and chashi (チャシ, for Ainu castles) were never intended to be long-term defensive positions, let alone residences; the native peoples of the archipelago built fortifications when they were needed and abandoned the sites afterwards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_castle#Early_fortifications

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chashi

Edited May 26, 2020 by Ultimate Aurelian

[Carltonus]

On 5/25/2020 at 7:08 PM, Ultimate Aurelian said:

I'd replace the citizen swordsman with a citizen axeman, maybe also have a slinger (Jomon used slings).

• Militia Axeman (Onodukapi/Onozukai), Axeman Citizen
• Jōmon Slinger (Isinagë/Ishinage; literally stone throwing, any better name like Tabute/Tsubute?), Slinger Citizen

On 5/25/2020 at 7:08 PM, Ultimate Aurelian said:

Third hero could be Yamato Takeru

Maybe replace Jinmu with king Suisho or emperor Keiko; Jinmu may be a bit out of the timeline since he is said to have been born at 660 b.c (Yayoi period is usually said to have begun at 300 b.c, but some argue for 800 b.c or even 1000.bc).

Revised Hero Breakdown (all choose the 3 to be recruited in Civic Center, rest can be for Scenario/Herocide):

• Jimmu (Kamuyamatö Iparebiko/Kan'yamato Iwarebiko), Archer Hero
• Keikō (Opotarasipiko Osiröwakë/Ōtarashihiko Oshirowake), Archer/Swordsman Hero?
• Ousu/Yamato Takeru (Wousu, Yamatötakëru), Swordsman Hero
• Jingū (Okinagatarasi/Okinagatarashi), Swordsman Heroine
• Himiko (Pimiko), Healer Heroine

"Jinmu" and "Jimmu" spellings are correct, but let's leave it to the modder. Suishō or one of the above not used can be a catafalque unit.

On 5/25/2020 at 7:08 PM, Ultimate Aurelian said:

I am not sure if Kofun should be the same civ, since Imperial Romans are a separate civ from Republic.

Kofun can be a separate faction, thanks for the advice. Will wait for Part 2/Delenda Est proposal(s).

On 5/25/2020 at 7:08 PM, Ultimate Aurelian said:

For the fortress you would have to speculate a little, it could be a hill fort with a earthwork palisade:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_castle#Early_fortifications

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chashi

Can the chashi be an embassy for Ainu/Emishi mercenaries? They could be an Atlas mini-faction.

• Ainu Mercenary Spearman
• Ainu Priest Chief ("priest" that can also have a damage boost for nearby units)
• Ainu Champion Mercenary Two-Handed Swordsman?

Edited July 26, 2020 by Carltonus
Updates

[Ultimate Aurelian]

On 5/26/2020 at 12:08 AM, Carltonus said:

Double as an embassy for Ainu/Emishi mercenaries? Can be an Atlas mini-faction.

> Ainu Mercenary Spearman
> Ainu Priest (boost damage for melee units nearby)
> Ainu Champion Mercenary Two-Handed Swordsman?

Jomon mercs could be featured indeeed, i think it might be better to use a separate mercenary camp; two handed swords (As posted by Genava above) first appear in the Kofun era and are not used by Jomon peoples.

Alongside with priest and spearman, perhaps a Jomon Poison Archer or maybe even make the slinger a mercenary.

 

Maybe a ''Korean'' (Baekje kingdom, who allied with Japan according to some sources) mercenary camp as well:

Baekje pirate swordsman

Unlocks mercenary medium ship (I'd say light ship does not need to be mercenary, the Yayoi had at least some naval capacity to be able to migrate from the mainland in large numbers).

If cavalry needs to be included for balance, a tech at the Baekje camp unlocks light horse archer.

 

Kumaso could be used too but we know very little about then, other than that they had some relation with bears due to their names (A few theories say they were Austronesians, or may have been a branch of the Jomon with the name coming from bear worship like the Ainu.)

Edited June 7, 2020 by Ultimate Aurelian

[Ultimate Aurelian]

On 5/13/2019 at 12:26 AM, Lion.Kanzen said:

 

 

Maybe we could use this mirror as a civ emblem ?

[Lion.Kanzen]

39 minutes ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

Maybe we could use this mirror as a civ emblem ?

It would be take time make something like that...but why not?

[Genava55]

You can probably get better picture by googling Japan Kofun Mirror.

 

This one from a publication:

Spoiler

 

 

Another useful document but not for the bronze mirror (too low quality): https://ir.library.osaka-u.ac.jp/repo/ouka/all/69823/OUHSS_TT.pdf

[Stan`]

Well we need @LordGood's buildings first.

[Carltonus]

Should the opening post be edited or a new thread be created for the proposed Yayoi-era faction?

Here is the breakdown for the Yayoi faction (with placeholders):

Faction description:

Spoiler

History:

The Yayoi period (~1000 BC - 300 AD) is the Bronze Age of ancient Japan. Civilization is an assimilation of the Jōmon hunter-gatherer culture and the Chinese influence of rice-planting and metallurgy. (Please revise history if possible)

Civilization bonus(es):

• (insert bonus 1 here)
• (insert bonus 2 here)

Team bonus(es):

• (insert bonus 1 here)
• (insert bonus 2 here)

Special technologies:

• Dōtaku (bronze bells)
• (insert special technology 2 here)

Special buildings:

• Kotan (Ainu village, port-embassy hybrid; hires Ainu mercenaries, fishing boat, and light transport)
• Casi (Ainu hilltop fortress; also hires Ainu mercenaries, alternative to kotan if no water on map)

Heroes:

• Jimmu (Kamuyamatö Iparebiko; Archer Hero), for Herocide/Scenario

• Keikō (Opotarasipiko Osiröwakë; Archer/Swordsman Hero)

• Wousu/Ousu (Yamatötakëru; Swordsman Hero)

• Himiko (Pimiko; Healer Heroine)

• Jingū (Okinagatarasi; Archer/Swordsman Heroine), for Herocide/Scenario

My previous posts above (unit and building rosters) have been edited to reflect this information.

@Ultimate Aurelian: Korean mercenaries could be put in later Kofun faction.

Upgrade names (needs updating and corrections):

Spoiler

Loom - Pata/Hata

Fertility Festival - Maturi/Matsuri (literally "festival")

Servants - Sobatuki/Sobatsuki

Serfs - Simobe/Shimobe

Slaves - Yatuko/Yatsuko

Sentries - Moribitö/Moribito

Fertilizer - Koye/Koe

Side Arms - Kapari/Kawari (literally "substitution")

Living Conditions - Migaki (literally "improvement")

Conscription - Chōhei

Iron Weapons - Tankō (literally "forged steel")

Ranged Infantry Irregulars - Ikusa (literally "army", but can also mean "archery")

Ranged Infantry Masterclass - Yumi Tekiki (literally "bow mastery")

Quilted Leather Body Armor - Kapayöröpi/Kanayoroi (literally "leather armor")

Laminated Linen Body Decorated Wooden Armor - Mokusei Katchū (literally "wooden helmet and armor")

Iron Hero Armor - Ita (literally "armor plate")

Bronze Bells - Dōtaku

Will to fight - Tikara/Chikara (for Yayoi units), Kiroro (for Ainu mercenaries)

Espionage - Saguri (literally "spying on")

Counterintelligence - Taiteki Chōhō (literally "counter-intelligence")

Some upgrade names are in Sino-Japanese, so anachronisms are bound to happen.

Edited July 26, 2020 by Carltonus
(1) Constant updating of names, (2) Fixes