Lion.Kanzen Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Impressive research. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) Reconstruction by Cang Ning Jun (蒼凝君) of Mu Feng Guo Jia (沐風國甲, can be roughly translated to “Wind-bathing National Armour”). Cang Ning Jun is not his real name.Available at Taobao. No, really.Let's just say Han warrior kick @#$%.Not sure about the scarfs, but given that Han Dynasty fought Xiongnu in the desert, it was not out of place.Good showcase of how long a two-handed Han sword can be, and more importantly, Han quiver.That being said, the swords seem overly ornate, and I am also not too sure about the boot. Edited December 18, 2015 by wolflance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) Nice armors and dao/jian Edited December 17, 2015 by wackyserious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) Nice armors and dao/jian Those (latest pictures) are daos alright . Guy at #22 is holding a Jian though. Edited December 17, 2015 by wolflance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesley Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Total War is also working on the Han and the Xiongnu so there are a lot of people posting on uniforms tactics and weapons on several forums. Clearly the total war people see a big opening in the chinese gamering market. We're in a race. lol. What's chinese for dude? Lets get him dressed. Edited March 14, 2017 by Wesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDM Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 (edited) I love the straight edge daos! I've definitely seen those photographed and they fit the time period. In fact, they're used very often throughout Chinese history. e: I don't know about the length though. If experts think that's accurate (and being iron it most likely is). I've seen photos of bronze daos more often. e2: quick Google showed that iron jians swords were developed even before Han! Edited April 27, 2017 by SDM addendum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted May 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 On 4/27/2017 at 9:47 AM, SDM said: I love the straight edge daos! I've definitely seen those photographed and they fit the time period. In fact, they're used very often throughout Chinese history. e: I don't know about the length though. If experts think that's accurate (and being iron it most likely is). I've seen photos of bronze daos more often. e2: quick Google showed that iron jians swords were developed even before Han! Straight-edged dao was the mainstay sidearm from Han to Song Dynasty. After the Mongols conquest, they switched to the curved sabers we know today. China was one of the earliest civilization to make common use of two-handed sword with definite archaeological proofs (the Indian predate them in two-handed sword usage, but they have scant archaeological findings). They had two-handed bronze sword (jian) even. The longest Han Dynasty two-handed dao seems to be a find dated to Three Kingdoms period (Wu Kingdom), measured at 146 cm. Most are around 110~120 cm range though, similar to 15-16th century European longsword. Wu Kingdom two-handed dao. This is NOT a replica. As a side note. the Chinese also had cavalry dao with knuckle bowl handguard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDM Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 Wow that's amazing! Can you link the museum or sites where you found the Wu Kingdom dao? I've always felt that there is a significant lack of research material (in English) done on Han Dynasty arms and armor. The Osprey books on China I heard are outdated and inaccurate. As a HEMA practitioner, the comparison to 15th century longswords gave me fairly good idea of the sword, actually! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted July 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 On 6/19/2017 at 3:52 AM, SDM said: Wow that's amazing! Can you link the museum or sites where you found the Wu Kingdom dao? I've always felt that there is a significant lack of research material (in English) done on Han Dynasty arms and armor. The Osprey books on China I heard are outdated and inaccurate. As a HEMA practitioner, the comparison to 15th century longswords gave me fairly good idea of the sword, actually! Sorry for the late reply. The 146cm Three Kingdom Wu sword is kept at Ezhou Museum, Hubei, China. The museum has a website (in Chinese, for obvious reason), although this sword is not displayed on their site. http://www.ezbwg.com/ The Osprey books give only the most rudimentary outline of ancient Chinese military, and their illustrations (on Chinese armies) are really crap. The lack of research material in English is regrettable, although understandable, as even the Chinese ones are fragmentary and basically all over the place. For example, apparently there exists a Eastern Han Dynasty brick carving that depicts a soldier spanning a WINDLASS CROSSBOW, but no one seems to be talking about it or even aware of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted August 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) 《定西荒》 is an ongoing historical comic about Han Dynasty's establishment/dominance of the silk road created by China's talented artist hotoon蓦然. Every minute detail in the comic is meticulously researched and extremely accurate - not limited to the Chinese but various cultures of the steppe as well. Edited August 27, 2017 by wolflance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted August 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) Some highlights of the comic: Luoyang, capital city of the (Eastern) Han Empire. Note the Han-style city wall. You Zhou Tu Qi (幽州突騎), one of the most prominent cavalry troops of the Han Dynasty. Han crossbowmen. Kushan Emperor Vima Takto (80-90 CE). During the time of his reign the Kushan rulers were very Hellenistic (Greek being their official language), hence the muscled cuirass on one of his guard. The dreaded Xiongnu. Note the guy with big nose on the left. His weird head shape is the result of Xiongnu's head binding practice causing cranial deformation - the same one practiced by the Huns. The author chooses to depict the Xiongnu as mix of both European and Asiatic people. (Note: Although it is claimed that the Huns practiced artificial cranial deformation while Xiongnu didn't, Han Dynasty texts do in fact mentioned this practice by Kucha people, a major vassal of Northern Xiongnu. Some skulls with cranial deformation also turn up at Xinjiang) Kushan cataphracts engaging Parthian cataphracts at Taxila, modern day Pakistan (yes, they are using couched lance charge before the Norman knights "invented" it. Yes. It is historical). Edited August 27, 2017 by wolflance 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 @stanislas69 @wackyserious... may be @Alexandermb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 Great sources. Kushians another good faction to add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted August 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said: Great sources. Kushians another good faction to add. Kushan Empire will indeed be a very fascinating faction and the only real contender to Han Chinese (if Rome is not in the picture). If there's any faction that can out-compete the Chinese in power and the "completeness" of army roster, Kushan will be that faction. Kushan military was a combination of steppe, Scythian, Iranian, Greek and Indian traditions, thus they had their own horse archers, heavy cataphracts, Indian-style light infantry, chariots and war elephants, and Greek-style hoplites, and other infantry/cavalry from all those traditions. Edited August 27, 2017 by wolflance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 Ok can be nice add to proposal for Terra Magna( ex-Rise of Est) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 @Lion.Kanzen Whadaya want from me ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 Is possibly make the Kushians and Xiangu(as minifaction)? preferible the helmet and those Huns shape of their heads and that hat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 @Lion.Kanzen So what are the buildings we are talking about for the minifaction ? What hat ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 The buildings are primitive. Nomads do the same, if you success remember we can save them for main game. the helmet must be the units charging from the left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 the Nomads it's a kind of faction that must be in 0 A.D and the mods. there huns.check above @wolflance commentaries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted August 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, stanislas69 said: @Lion.Kanzen So what are the buildings we are talking about for the minifaction ? What hat ? The Xiongnu probably lived in Yurt similar in style to the Mongol ones, including the "mobile yurt" (minus Mongol-style decorations), although if you extend their faction's history post Han Dynasty they did build city (Tongwancheng for example). Despite being nomads, Xiongnu also mined, smelted, and crafted their own bronze and iron stuffs. Edited August 27, 2017 by wolflance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandermb Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 I would like to help a lot with the huns. i'm up to anything its needed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 22 minutes ago, Alexandermb said: I would like to help a lot with the huns. i'm up to anything its needed Ok i can help you , I wondering if Scythians uses same style of Yurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) @Alexandermb If you are up for the task you can make the minifaction. Main Building -> Something that could depict a small village similar to what you did for Carolingian Fortress. Could be used by mods to train mercenaries Houses -> 4 variants if possible Faction specific buildings -> Likely something like a granary and/or storehouse Props -> Pots if you can reuse them as much as possible using prop points Weapons + Helmets Bonus Unit, textures. Try to gather all the texture pieces you need and make only one texture if possible. Thanks in advance; Edited August 28, 2017 by stanislas69 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, stanislas69 said: @Alexandermb If you are up for the task you can make the minifaction. Main Building -> Something that could depict a small village similar to what you did for Carolingian Fortress. Could be used by mods to train mercenaries Houses -> 4 variants if possible Faction specific buildings -> Likely something like a granary and/or storehouse Props -> Pots if you can reuse them as much as possible using prop points Weapons + Helmets Bonus Unit, textures. Try to gather all the texture pieces you need and make only one texture if possible. Thanks in advance; Can be used for Huns in main game and Scythians/Sarmatians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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