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Feldfeld

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  1. I updated the mod for a26, there should be no change in map generations from the version in a25. If I finish the ongoing patch for balanced maps, I will update the mod again.

    The old versions will be kept available for downloading for compatibility with replays

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  2. 46 minutes ago, BeTe said:

    Thanks to you and Gurken. I was looking for Mainland Balanced before, but I thought it's map, not mod and couldn't find guide. I will try this definitely.

    Does it fix stone and metal mines? I see only Food and Wood are mentioned.

    But still, problem is that I can't play with people who doesn't have that mod... Should we report this to someone to include in next releases?

    In the mod I only fixed food (which is the most critical resource for competitive play in A25)

    36 minutes ago, BeTe said:

    But that guy who developed mod, couldn't he do it directly in basic 0AD?

    However, it is annoying, but I guess it's not the highest priority. It's just important to have it in "backlog". 

    I have the intention to improve the map by fixing all 4 resources, generalize it so all fitting existing maps can be balanced in the same way, and bring it to vanilla 0AD. I also gathered the support of the 0AD devs interested on the matter. I started a patch in order to merge it to vanilla 0AD. Unfortunately up to now I haven't got the motivation to actually finish it. Now please note that since the upcoming A26 was in feature freeze for quite a long time, there was no chance of the patch getting in that version. I imagine that the next release after that, A27, will be out at least quite a few months later, so hopefully I will regain my motivation by then.

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  3. 1 hour ago, hyperion said:

    The image is very inappropriate for "family". Clicking on an unexpected invite is unreasonable.

    If one suspects a security issue opening a ticket with Discord Inc is the appropriate turn of action. I agree the OP sounds very unlikely to be true but you never know.

    Oh actually I have seen quite a few reports of similar attacks in Discord, and in a long timeframe (months or years) so it sounded quite likely to me, I just wondered what was up then, since everything seems to happen inside a single application, and Discord is huge on top of that.

    EDIT: actually NVM,I was probably mixing up with free Nitro typical phishing attack, which have nothing to do with simply inviting in a discord server

  4. I had an idea which is probably too crazy but you never know:

    - Civic centers start with a smaller territory and are cheaper
    - Buildings don't expand territory around them
    - Instead, they expand a little bit the territory of their central CC
    - There is a limit for each building type of the total territory expansion they give to 1 CC
    - Towers may be an exception to be the only building that expands territory around it, but it is not possible to build multiple nearby towers to reach a location linearly.
    - Maybe there could be a bonus if buildings are closer to their central CC, encouraging careful city planning.
    - Fortresses may be built in neutral territory and have some territory around it but this cannot be grown like with CCs
    - Civic centers could also start weaker but get stronger the more buildings are around it (with exception to initial CC to provide some defense)
    - A fully developped CC will still have reasonably smaller territory than current p3 CC
    - There will still be a solid minimum range between CCs encouraging players to develop their secondary cities instead of building many of them to grab all nearby resources.

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  5. 36 minutes ago, Frederick_1 said:

    Getting a high population fast is rather a issue of resource gathering, batch production and getting multiple training facilities. The gathering speed of A.I-bots is changed when you change the heavyness of an opponent. When I am right an medium opponent gaters as fast as a human player. more easy ones gather slower and more hard opponents gather faster than entities of human player. 

    But with good economy management it is usually possible to outperform an A.I bot in population. Otherwise it would be very hard gaming against an opponent with more entities gathering resources faster than you.

    If you set them to agressive instead of balanced according to my experience they attack erlieer in the game but with less entities. A defensive opponent Attacks only with a big buntch.

    My experience so far.

    If the AI was better at population it wouldn't need this much bonuses!

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  6. 8 hours ago, SneakEP said:

    Pyromod doesn't let me open file from Explorer. Other one - like stated above - is not found. Help.

    Use the zip @Player of 0ADposted here:

    On 02/11/2021 at 4:52 PM, Player of 0AD said:

    For me it works. I don't know how to send a folder with linux, but try this zip archive ;)  If that does not work neither maybe we can try a rar archive or something like this, lets see.

    feldmap.zip 28 kB · 79 downloads

     

  7. 4 hours ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:

    I wonder if it is possible to change the resource generation on mainland not to balance it perfectly but to prevent players from bottoming out on lottery (no extra hunt or berries). 

    The benefit of 3 berries versus 2 is much smaller than the benefit of 2 berries versus 1. I was wondering if there would be some way to add a food resource during generation to players that don't have either extra hunt or berries.

    I have observed that no one complains about enemies having extra food res unless they are at rock-bottom.

    Doing exactly like you mention (only add food if the current resource generation didn't give any) is pretty much not possible.
    Doing another solution consisting of always giving the food anyway works but is statistically different than previous solution. Doing it with balanced mainland-type generation is possible but I consider not worth the effort. Doing it like @maroder mentioned:
     

    3 hours ago, maroder said:

    Sure, you can just increase the number of starting berries and chicken and push the random spawns further away. Or randomly spawn more or less resources close to the CC. The question is if this is perceived as balanced or what option the multiplayer would prefer.

    is possible but I think it would look unnatural.

     

    Regardless I don't think this would eliminate the need of more strictly balanced maps, in my opinion in very high level 1v1s the additional food matters even if you already had some.

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  8. 12 minutes ago, maroder said:

    ping @chrstgtr since they also had opinions on this iirc.

    Would you be ok with just replacing mainland with balanced mainland?

     

    8 minutes ago, chrstgtr said:

    I would prefer not. Having everything balanced for every player makes things boring imo because it makes everything more predictable. I would rather have balanced teams, which currently does not exist. 

     

    It's also worth noting that although many players have balanced maps, balanced mainland is almost never played in TGs. 

    I could look into modifying balanced mainland to only place balanced resources when there are 2 players, and let the old generation otherwise

  9. 6 minutes ago, Player of 0AD said:

    By the way, if I'm not mistaken apple trees don't seem to count as starting food. It can happen that some player has additional apple trees while the other one doesn't have that extra food (Temperate biome). They don't get compensated with hunt or other berries neither.

    Yeah indeed, I ignored them by simplicity as they rarely give a significant advantage anyway. If I worked longer on balanced maps I would work on wood balance first, as some generations can get very imbalanced.

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  10. Hello, thank you for your interest, if you want to advocate for inclusion of balanced resources in random maps I have already made a patch here: https://code.wildfiregames.com/D4232

    This patch adds code for having the possibility of having balanced resources on many existing maps. It does some refactoring and as such that makes it also harder to review.
    Now there also is the possibility of adding just Mainland Balanced, which is a copy of Mainland that was edited in a quick and dirty way. Depending on dev team preference this could be added instead if they don't mind the code duplication that comes with it.

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  11. 14 hours ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:

    @Feldfeld these changes sound nice and I would be keen to test them. Another idea that has been going on that would address pikemen (and high damage ranged units) is attack-ground and/or attack-group. A25 battles have really been about how fast your ranged units will kill enemy melee and how long your melee units can survive against enemy ranged units. It certainly is time we considered the dps of melee units.

    I think even if these changes are tested, refined, and implemented, we would probably still want some kind of attack ground or attack-group. There is a recent and more productive discussion on this topic that has resulted in a mod that explores different shooting behavior of ranged units. It is quite interesting and we are trying to get players to test it.

    It could be nice to have it in the game. But I think my changes make sense both in the cases when attack ground is added or when it is not.

    I imagine for now it is difficult to see how attack ground will work out or what effect it will have on balance. It could nerf pikemen (but that doesn't change to the fact that they have quite a bad role), buff long range units vs short range units (so overall a nerf to ranged units as small range are better), and buff ranged units (by giving them a new option, meanwhile melee units get unchanged)

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  12. Pikemen are, and have been for quite some time now an imbalanced unit. On top of that they have a role that is a bit unnatural (tank against all units), and by being so good at it they reduce the effectiveness of melee infantry champions, and maybe elephants. My suggestion to balance them is to make them strong against melee units, and weaker against ranged units. But for this to work players should be incentived to make melee units. This is done by nerfing ranged units. Here would be the list of changes (without specific values):

    - Significantly reduce pierce armor of citizen soldier pikemen, up to e.g. 3
    - Increase pikemen DPS to be at the level of sword and spear CS
    - (maybe, not sure) Reduce hack armor of citizen soldier pikemen to 8
    - Give macedonians a pierce armor civ bonus for their citizen soldier pikemen, something like +2 (it could be a tech)
    - Champion pikemen have the specificity of having their pierce armor greatly improved (compared to other champions), but their other stats not so much
    - Reduce ranged units damage
    - Do not change damage of defensive buildings (actually not obvious, maybe would require more thinking)
    - Remove HP bonus from promotion
    - Give ranged units a reload time bonus from promotion
    - Consider making promotion easier (less experience needed)
    - Nerf melee champions (they would surely be OP after these previous changes)

    All of these changes are linked, and either must be committed all together, or none of them should get in. I imagine cavalry would also be affected by these changes, but not sure how yet. Promotion changes are weakly linked (but still linked) and are intended to contribute solving another problem at the same time.

    This should also have the consequence of making battles slower (perhaps a bit more epic)

    If the community agree to these changes, as they are quite experimental the following could be good:

    - Invite dev team to perhaps release a new civ at the same time
    - Not having a release time too long for the version that comes after that. Preferably not longer than 6 months

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  13. 1 hour ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

    I want to emphasize that any time and energy anyone puts into trying to make 0 A.D. better is appreciated. My point was just that there are different roles that any individual can fill based on the topic at hand. There are different "hats" you can wear. Some people are good at wearing different hats, some people aren't. Some people want to just wear 1 hat. All of that is fine, as long as folks recognize that the hats exist. ;) 

    Xposted from @leopard's post.

    Balance is most certainly not the reason Han chinese have not yet been added to the main game. I myself asked/advocated multiple times in the irc-dev channel for their inclusion, and it looks like the reason(s) they have not been added is something  else, although I don't know (if I learned) the exact reason(s)

    And really, the development power is quite low at the moment. There are about 2 developpers coding, and 2 more reviewing, all in their free time, I don't feel like this will ever get much done in the grand scheme of things.

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  14. 19 minutes ago, Reyhan said:

    This player has only played 8 games and won all of them. On average they won 25 points per game, which implies they have to beat very strong players (1400-1600) players every time to progress this quickly. No new player can reach 1501 without a single defeat, therefore this must be a pro player's second account, who wipes out any unsuspecting challengers in the lobby.

    I may not remember well but I'm pretty sure I did.

    Also the first few rated games give a lot of rating deviations so I think it's possible just by beating a few 1300s and 1400s.

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  15. 2 hours ago, Freagarach said:

    I only read the article in diagonal but from my small experience, the current svn workflow with patches which are sometimes not trivial and get merged at the end, is not a solution to the problem this article mentions. I also think the current svn workflow is no different than doing git branch and rebasing at the end before merging (with amending every commit if we want stricter equivalence)

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  16. On 06/11/2021 at 10:24 PM, andy5995 said:

    @Feldfeld, you wanna add this to cm2, or would you rather keep it separate for now?

    Hi, yes feel free to add it. Also, if you can, a map preview for Alpine Mountains would be quite welcome, I tried to make one a long time ago but failed.

    I don't have time now but I had the idea to also put feldmap separately on mod.io, as a convenience for online players, and as publicity for Alpine Mountains for anyone. I think people miss out with that one :)

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