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  8. Civic Center Aura?

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    Posted · Edited by Feldfeld

    7 hours ago, sphyrth said:

    Hmm.... Seems to me that mod-makers are generally unified: Fields surrounding Civic Centers don't make sense!

    Of course, I'm talking about the mod-making community. I want to know what the hardcore players have to say about this. @ValihrAnt especially.

    Well, if you take away the possibility for fields to be near Civic Center there should be an appropriate rebalance of the game, because the protection offered by the CC (both garrisoning and arrow firing) is a big deal to defend against rushes. Without this, if you don't have an equal or superior army in the location of the rush, you're as good as dead.

    Also, if you just have garrisoning but not arrow firing, an enemy raid can stay in the economy and idle it until it gets chased, you also have to consider this for rebalancing.

    Also fields surrounding Civic Centers is kinda intuitive for players coming from AoE2 i suppose.

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  9. The road to expert

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    To be fair when i started 0A.D. i learned quite a bit from the economy scenario which was harder than it should have been due to it being outdated. Also a scenario embedded in the game has more visibility, I think that the 2 ways can complement each other.

  13. Heroes mixing

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    27 minutes ago, faction02 said:

    I have some related questions, just taking advantage of the attention on the topic about those computations...

    For example, consider a Kushites citizen soldiers, with a normal gathering rate for metal of 0,5.

    If I bring this unit close to a pyramid which gives +15%, the statistic displayed indicates 0,6 instead of 0,575, the same for a woman.

    • First question: What is the effective rate at which metal is then gathered 0,6 or 0,575 ?

    The same works with a woman (bonus of +15% too), the unit gathering rate displayed becomes 0,6.

    Where I get puzzled is when I put a women + a pyramid nearby and the gathering rate remains at 0,6 instead of cumulating the two bonuses (1,15*1,15=1,3225 which should give a gathering rate of exactly 0,66125 or 15%+15%=30% should give a gathering rate of 0,65).

    All the significative numbers are not shown in tooltip, it rounds up to .1 so if you want to do your test, first you can look at the real base values in the game files (because they are rounded up too) and the other solution is to do the cheat "gift from the gods" in your tests which will have the effect to multiply the gather rate and will thus show more significative numbers (useful if you want to test bonus stacking i suppose)

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  18. Heroes mixing

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    21 minutes ago, Feldfeld said:

    As for the ambiguous cases, we can first compare Vercingetorix and Hannibal auras, respectively :
    -+20% attack and +1 capture for soldiers and siege engines.
    -+20% attack and +1 capture for nearby allied soldiers and siege engines.
    When we see them together we can obviously tell the difference, but for 0AD players that see them at different time, they could assume it do be the same, it would also make sense in term of balance. But indeed we have : "affectedPlayers": ["Ally"], in the code for Hannibal and not for Vercingetorix. But that's not all,
    Cleopatra's tooltip has : "+10% health for allied heroes." which is written the same way as Hannibal's but in the code it has : "affectedPlayers": ["ExclusiveMutualAlly"], which kind of hints to a difference we don't really know of. And on top of that it's unclear if in the bonuses to allies also affect you, which is not the case for teambonuses.

    Result : Vercingetorix only affects the player's own troops as expected, Hannibal affects the player + his allies, Cleopatra health bonuses affects the allies but not the player (actually logical)

    2 minutes ago, abc1 said:

    ok I Just found out it indeed needs to say in the description bonus for allies, only certain heros have that attribute

    Yes

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  19. Heroes mixing

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    Posted · Edited by Feldfeld

    As for the ambiguous cases, we can first compare Vercingetorix and Hannibal auras, respectively :
    -+20% attack and +1 capture for soldiers and siege engines.
    -+20% attack and +1 capture for nearby allied soldiers and siege engines.
    When we see them together we can obviously tell the difference, but for 0AD players that see them at different time, they could assume it do be the same, it would also make sense in term of balance. But indeed we have : "affectedPlayers": ["Ally"], in the code for Hannibal and not for Vercingetorix. But that's not all,
    Cleopatra's tooltip has : "+10% health for allied heroes." which is written the same way as Hannibal's but in the code it has : "affectedPlayers": ["ExclusiveMutualAlly"], which kind of hints to a difference we don't really know of. And on top of that it's unclear if in the bonuses to allies also affect you, which is not the case for teambonuses.

    13 minutes ago, abc1 said:

    sry but I will read urs no more  @Feldfeld

    I don't mind, but i'm almost sure you still don't know the answer.

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  20. Heroes mixing

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    5 minutes ago, s0600204 said:

    @Feldfeld: Whether or not an Ally's aura affects you depends on how the aura in question has been defined. It is also possible for an Enemy's aura to affect you if defined to do so.

    As an example: the Ptolemaic hero Cleopatra has an aura that increases the heath of allied Heroes, and a second aura that lowers the health of enemy Heroes.

    Yeah, true, although for those cases it's specified in the tooltips. I got focused on the attack bonuses which i remembered didn't stack with others (after veerifying, some do, other not). In the end, even the cleopatra bonus can only stack with itself, right ?

    3 minutes ago, abc1 said:

    The  things mentioned by these two clowns is nonesense.

    My initial idea was either it stays at the highest which is 20% or combines to 35%. 

    And I didnt open this thread for poeple to comment on it who doesnt know it for sure. I wanted the 100% truth from developers or people who looked into the codes.

     

    Worry not, i looked into the codes. I found a very ambiguous case. And still, it doesn't necessarily stay at the highest, it would only stay to the bonus that affects you, and if it combines, it doesn't necessarily combine to 35%.

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  22. Heroes mixing

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    Imagine you have a base stat of 100. You apply a bonus of 20% and then a bonus of 15%. After the 20% bonus, your stat is 120 and you apply the 15% bonus on that number making it 138. This is higher than a 20 + 15 = 35% bonus which results in 135.

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  23. Heroes mixing

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    By 20% and then 15% he meant that the 15% is applied after the first 20% bonus is, so on an attack value that is higher than the base one, making it give a bigger bonus

    and what it means that ally aura don't affect you (afaik)

    EDIT: in other words, the answer is no to the very first question of the thread

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