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12 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:
Impressive metalworking.
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The Final Great Reference Post for Kushite Artefacts
Weapons, Gold, Silver, Bronze, Faience and PotteryThroughout this thread, many posts discuss the extensive material legacy of Kush, housed in many museums and research institutions the world round. This final great post illustrates a range of not shared before artefacts.
The most valuable objects in terms of reference materials for 0AD are post-Meroitic Kushite or Noba weapons from the tombs of el Hobagi, the final stronghold of Meroitic culture after the fall of Meroë. So... apparently it seems that Kush, or at least Meroitic Kushite culture didn’t end with the fall of Meroë after the Axumite invasion(s) of 330AD, but seems to have sputtered on for more than a century. The weapons found in the burial tumuli (no more pyramids) are of the same type as the earlier Meroitic ones. Many other objects are also clearly of Meroitic origin/inspiration, and the last known Meroitic inscriptions come from these graves. Even the Meroitic word “Qore”, which means “King”, was found inscribed on a bronze bowl. Although it’s out of 0AD's time frame, these weapons are essentially just better preserved examples of the earlier Napatan and Meroitic versions we use in-game.
Kushite Weapons, Gold, Silver, Bronze, Faience, Pottery and More:
SpoilerThe weapons from El Hobagi
Lance with hatchet attached, adorned with beads
El Hobagi III, a royal tumulus filled with spears, javelins, bunches of arrows and an axe-head, among the rubble of broken pottery and other grave-goods
The same grave, but only showing the weapons. These very African looking spears would go well with the spear cavalry.
Detail of an iron axe-head, a very sizeable lance and a mace-head
El Hobagi IV, another post-meroitic tumulus in the area, with the same types of weapons used by Napatan and Meroitic period Kushites. Spears/lances with very large spear-heads, axes, bunches of arrows, and relatively large swords. Perhaps the largest and best preserved physical remains of swords found in Kush dating to antiquity, located in the lower right corner.
Meroitic period:
Possibly post-Meroitic axe-head and spear-head from Tombos. The Axe-head is identical in shape to the axe depicted in the reliefs of battle scenes on temple M250 in Meroë (the "Sun temple"), dating to the 1st century BC.
A Kushite arrow-head inscribed with a Meroitic inscription. How cool is that...
Meroitic spear-head and barbed arrow-heads
Iron spear-head and barbed javelins or harpoon-points
This Meroitic period painted pottery isn't the most breathtaking piece of art, but it depicts the same kind of barbed javelins as above, in addition to a mean-looking hunting/war(?)-dog with decorated collar.
Not sure what to make of these Meroitic period pottery fragments. We can make out two lions and a warrior, wearing a tunic with belt and oval shield, carrying a weapon
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Kerma period
Another example of the famous Kerma period Bronze daggers.
Kushite Gold:
Amanishakheto's armband
Another one of Amanishakheto's armbands
Three earrings and winged Isis, originally attached to something else..
Golden bracelet/necklace(?) with Hathor heads.
Golden Ankhs
Golden shieldring with Egyptian Wadjet, quintessentially African cowry shells and the head of a Kushite deity, probably Sebiumeker
A more "modest" ring
Golden jakhal and rearing cobra
Another very elaborate golden ring
Golden pendant of Amun
More "modest" jewellery
I honestly don't know what that thing on the left is. A falcon, a vulture and a ram's head to the right.
King Aspelta's treasure: Golden ewer, decorated alabastron, golden tweezers (?!), silver cylinders covered in decorated gold, and a silver libation pouring thing
More of those mysterious cylinders..
Golden plaque showing Pharaoh Taharqa with Re-Horakhti
Golden finger guard of the mummy of King Amaninatakelebte. Golden finger guard... I didn't even know that was a thing...
Pharaoh Taharqa presenting the god Hemen with wine, made from gold silver and bronze
Amulet of Ma'at belonging to Pharaoh Piye
Gold from Tumulus graves at El Kurru. Not only the pyramids contained treasure!
Kushite Silver
Gilded silver mask of the Royal Wife Malakaye from Nuri, and silver ring of Amun
Silver libation pouring thing, very similar (but different!) to the one found among King Aspelta's treasure.
Silver ram-headed sphinx-pendant
The Mirror of Shabako
A silver pot, which I suspect is a Hellenistic import
Kushite Bronze
The smiling Pharaohs of Kush!
Bronze royal lady from the Amun temple at El-Hassa
A massive bronze ring in the form of a ram headed cobra...
A solid bronze, bird-shaped bead-post, and bronze slippers. Bronze slippers people, I'm not making this up...
A rare Kushite depiction of the single humped camel, with saddle, in bronze
A nice collection of bronze bells
A bronze cow-bell... with the image of a cow... wearing a bell... I love these people
An 8-sided bell with images of bound prisoners with arrows in their backs.
A detail of the bound prisoners. The one on the far right received special treatment, and has a sword in his back instead of an arrow.
Another example of bound prisoners on a bronze bell, this time with arrows in the chest. Once again, one of the captives is singled out, and received a dagger to the chest. This same captive, second from the left, is wearing a Greco-Roman tunic, and a helmet with chinstrap, strongly resembling a Phrygian helmet. Perhaps a Ptolemaic Greek captive?
Dead enemies get their faces pecked at by vultures. Different headdresses denote different nations.
Bronze bowl
One of 2 bronze globular jars from el Kurru
Bronze uraeus from a royal statue
Gilded bronze uraei from Napata, originally lining the roof's edge of one of the kiosks.
Sphinx shaped bronze standard of Taharqa with rearing cobras
Figurines of Amun
A Kushite, Meroitic period bronze oil-lamp in the form of a bound prisoner
Meroitic Royals developed an expensive taste in Mediterranean luxury goods, of which the bronze Greco-Roman oil lamps are an excellent example. They are a surprisingly recurring grave-good during the Meroitic period.
A centaur shaped Greco Roman bronze oil-lamp...
Kushite Faience
An Ankh, belonging to King Aspelta
faience scarab
faience amulet from el Kurru
Faience Bes shaped figurine from el Kurru
Faience figurines from el Kurru
A large collection of faience figurines from el Kurru
Faience Menat amulets from El Kurru
Faience and cowry shell horse trappings from el Kurru
Scarab inscribed with Hieroglyphs
Kushite Pottery
The following 2 pictures provide an excellent reference for Kushite pottery in-game. The current (greenish) props aren't ideal. These large reddish, typically Kushite pottery is ideal. As found in situ, in rock cut burial chambers.
More pottery in situ, including a Campanian amphora (yes, they enjoyed mediterranean wine, a lot). Note the typically reddish colour.
The same types of pottery from the post Meroitic tombs at El Hobagi, in situ.
A large collection of Meroitic period pottery
A particularly interesting piece. A common scene not often seen on pottery: Lions mauling captives. Note the tribal scarification on the man's face
Frogs reminiscent of the frog statues from the water reservoir at Basa
Mythical figures, one playing a double piped flute, the other apparently dancing.
A bunch of other stuff
This piece is not Kushite. It's from Roman era Egypt, and depicts a Meroitic emissary or dignitary
A coloured rendition of a statuette of Maleton, governor of Karanaog
The funerary stele of Meteye, in colour. Swastika can not be unseen. I also can't help but feel some kind of oriental vibe on the naked fellow on the right. Also, he's blond, although Kushites were known to dye their hair blond on occasion.
Remarkably Egyptian looking figurines from Meroitic Kush, depicting king Natakamani (1BC - 20AD), from Naqa.
A lion headed water outlet from Abu Erteila. These types of waterworks (ancient plumbing of a high level) are also known from Meroë and Musawwarat.
Lion statues from Abu Erteila
Canopic Heads. Basically the cork stoppers of special vessels.
Cut stone head of a Kushite princess Shepenupet II, daughter of Piye/Piankhi sister of taharqa and Shabaka of the 25th dynasty, from Alexandria, National Museum, Egypt
Amulet showing the Pharaoh Taharqa suckling from the tit of Sekhmet, an Egyptian leonine Goddess.
Various plaques in various materials with the cartouche of King Anlamani
2 examples a bead-sacks
And finally, Piye's cat
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14 hours ago, Itms said:
I'm curious to know why you think so
I agree it's a very positive thing for us when people realize we still aim at something even better, but on the other hand at some point we have to create something that is complete and officially released for the general public, don't you think? We will still have Part 2 to start working on, if what you are afraid to miss is the ability to follow developments.
This never-ending development is indeed one of 0AD's strong suits in my opinion.. How good it may be, it can always get better. Of course we should aim for a "complete and officially released" game, but that doesn't necessarily mean development should ever stop. I plan on playing this game on the holodeck with my grandkids
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Nice coins.. From a design point of view, I have no strong feelings. The current emblem could use a remake. Elephant, anchor and bee seem to be a recurring thing, so why not... Maybe omit the writing to give more space for the anchor and bee? I really don't know, lol
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22 minutes ago, Nescio said:
It partially is, yes. (I also think the “Iberians”, an amalgam which includes many non-Iberian peoples, is too insignificant, yet it is included nevertheless.) However, why ought e.g. the Yayoi period be included, other than being Japan in 0 A.D.'s timeframe? Did they heavily influence their neighbours? Did they construct lasting monuments? Have any literary works survived? Have their cults or language reshaped large parts of Eurasia? I fear the answer to these questions is no; merely “being there” and nothing else seems just insignificant.
Brutal... lol... I guess you're right, although... that inner shrine at Ise is a lasting monument (and a nice one). Shinto, the traditional religion of Japan, is still widely practiced today. Some important Shinto Shrines date to the Yayoi period. There are Han Chinese literary works discussing the Yayoi. The fact that they were (sort of) the ancestors of the later Imperial Japan (one of the most powerful empires of the East), makes their early history interesting by default. But I concede that they wouldn't stand a chance against Romans :/
Just now, stanislas69 said:On a more touchy matter these days, how does one balance a civilization that has no cavalry, and likely no ships other than the fishing ship and maybe the merchant one ?
You probably can't... You can choose to play with them at your own risk
They're kind of like Zapotecs in that regard. Perfect for Terra Magna. Maybe "just" a mini-civ-derivative for vanilla?
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33 minutes ago, Nescio said:
The Xiognu/Hsiung-nu (Mongolia) and Han (China) were important civilizations with a lasting influence on eastern Eurasia, including our present world; eventually both ought to be included in 0 A.D.'s main distribution, ideally. They deserve it as much as the Parthians and Romans.
Agreed, 100%
33 minutes ago, Nescio said:On the other hand, although they fit 0 A.D.'s timeframe, the Go-Joseon (North Korea), Jin (South Korea), and Yayoi (Japan) archaeological periods are probably too insignificant to be included.
But, but, Japanese...
"probably too insignificant to be included." Although that might be correct, it's also very subjective. The Yayoi period laid the foundation for the Kofun period, the first unification of much of Japan. The Jomon and Yayoi have been quite the sensation in modern day Japan as well, so I'm sure Japanese gamers would die for this, and they are a huge demographic. I like to look at the Yayoi as horseless Oriental Celts
. They're mainly for Oriental flavouring, and contrasting the Han Chinese. I don't think they've been depicted in a computer game before either (a nice first for 0AD), and they look quite exotic.
As for Koreans, I don't know... Perhaps a miniciv?
I really like the miniciv idea (unplayable, truncated civs), and think a nice list of "lesser" civilisations can really help the flavour of the game, bring maps alive (creeps), and contextualise and connect existing civs.
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1 hour ago, av93 said:
Don't Kofun japan match better the 0 A.D timeframe?
No, actually not. Kofun is 3d century to 7th century AD.
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Just now, LordGood said:29 minutes ago, stanislas69 said:
That applies for any thread btw. You did a great job motivating Lordgood
Uh oh
Hahaha... In due time... First I need to round up the Kushite research
If I'm done with them, I want to re-focus my research on the various civs in-game, and potential candidates like the Yayoi Japanese.
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@stanislas69, yeah, I think they'd be really cool for Terra Magna... They're very unique, not really what people would expect, yet , just recognisably Japanese..
They had relations with the Chinese and the Koreans during this period. Future project, perhaps?
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3 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:
Yuezhi (less popular)
Fierce nomads from beyound the mountains, the Yuezhi are mentioned time and agin in ancient annals and are definitely part of these less-known ancient great nomadic kingdoms of Asia. They are mostly known by the chinese as the 月氏, Rouzhi in pinyin. These pastoralists lived in remote and arid grassland area in the western part of the modern Chinese province of Gansu. Hard-pressed by the agressive Xiongnu from the north, they were defeated in the 2nd century BC, splitting into the Greater Yuezhi (Dà Yuèzhī 大月氏) and Lesser Yuezhi (Xiǎo Yuèzhī 小月氏), migrating westwards.
Greater Yuezhi initially migrated northwest into the Ili Valley (on the modern borders of China and Kazakhstan), where they reportedly displaced elements of the Sakas (Scythians). They were driven from the Ili Valley by the Wusun and migrated southward to Sogdia and later settled in Bactria, where they then defeated the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom. The Greater Yuezhi have consequently often been identified with Bactrian peoples mentioned in classical European sources, like the Tókharioi (Greek Τοχάριοι; Sanskrit Tukhāra) and Asii (or Asioi). During the 1st century BC, one of the five major Greater Yuezhi tribes in Bactria, the Kushanas (Chinese: 貴霜; pinyin: Guishuang), began to subsume the other tribes and neighbouring peoples. The subsequent Kushan Empire, at its peak in the 3rd century CE, stretched from Turfan in the Tarim Basin, in the north to Pataliputra on the Gangetic plain of India in the south. The Kushanas played an important role in the development of trade on the Silk Road and the introduction of Buddhism to China.
Most of the Lesser Yuezhi appear to have migrated southward into Tibet. However, some are reported to have settled among the Qiang people in Qinghai, and to have been involved in the Liangzhou Rebellion (184–221 CE). Others are said to have founded the city state of Cumuḍa (now known as Kumul and Hami 哈密) in the eastern Tarim. A fourth group of Lesser Yuezhi may have become part of the Jie people of Shanxi, who established the 4th Century AD Later Zhao state (although this remains controversial). While the Yuezhi have often been associated with artifacts of extinct cultures in the Tarim Basin, such as the Tarim mummies and the so-called Tocharian languages, the evidence for any such link is purely circumstantial.To be frank, I think the Yuezhi are as simple as switching the Asian dudes of the Xiongnu with with white dudes, tadaaa, Yuezhi...! Just throw some Tocharian (proto-Kushan) references in to the mix and we're good to go...
Perhaps Xiongnu as a fully fledged civ, and Yuezhi as a mini-civ derivative...
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Illustrations of Japan during 0AD's timeframe
So I have a bunch of Japanese references I collected but never shared before... This is mostly Yayoi period, and a little Jomon period. I actually think this civilisation can be done... The biggest issue, just off the top of my head, is: no cavalry...
Here's a full unit roster... How 'bout that...
Temple:
The following images are mostly very high quality reconstructions from the Yoshinogari archaeological park:
"Yoshinogari (吉野ヶ里 遺跡 Yoshinogari iseki) is the name of a large and complex Yayoi archaeological site in Yoshinogari and Kanzaki in Saga Prefecture, Kyūshū, Japan. According to the Yayoi chronology established by pottery seriations in the 20th century, Yoshinogari dates to between the 3rd century BC and the 3rd century AD. However, recent attempts to use absolute dating methods such as AMS radiocarbon dating have shown that the earliest Yayoi component of Yoshinogari dates to before 400 BC." -wikipedia-
Civic Center:
Farmstead:
Houses:
Special building:
Walls:
Other stuff:
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- Napatan Temple Guard
- Apedemak's Faithful
- Meroitic Noble Cavalry
- Meroitic Noble Archer
Basically the champion units. One or two of the Hero units can have the Full Body Scale Armour. These scale armours are the only "heavy" armour used by Kushite elites. Ranked citizen soldiers would be using quilted cotton at best.
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1 minute ago, stanislas69 said:
I think the gold one looks a bit too much yellow.
That's bronze, I believe... And polished bronze does look quite gold/yellow. IMO it looks ok.. Could even be a little shinier...
By the way:
That's the bronze part of the Kushite bronze scale armour corselet... At least that's what it can be used for
Just throwing that out there...
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11 hours ago, OmriLahav said:
@Sundiata, thank you for the extensive research and wonderful references!
At the moment, I am dealing with three film soundtracks, but I will be able to create a new track or two during February.
I will listen to all the references to pick out the common elements and try to make something that sounds authentic, and also works within our game-world.Please keep an eye out on the Score Notes and Links thread, I post new tracks there.
Omri
Thank you! Very nice to hear
As Stanislas69 pointed out, I don't have access to the link. Feel free to post any progress in this thread if/when you get around to it.
Good luck with the film soundtracks!
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Host Migration does seem like a really good fix to this rather aggravating issue. Would be especially useful if it happens automatically. Is it doable?
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10 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:
Your first ticket.
I'm so proud...
SpoilerI actually had to ask Imarok how... lol
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@implodedok Thank you sooo much!!!
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Mmmm, dedicated servers... I think another crowdfunding campaign is in order, perhaps after the next release (or even tied to the release itself) to fund this. I'd be willing to donate a little something.
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8 hours ago, Imarok said:
If so, maybe you want to create a ticket? (I might look into that)
Ticked created!
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the Depth of Field effect can be "regulated". It's like an on/off thing, which is a real pity, because it can't really be used like this. The only default setting is indeed way too strong. A wasted feature?
Being able to set the intensity of this feature would be a great addition for screenshots and even in-game beauty.
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Some examples of instruments used in ancient Kush, including Hellenistic imports:
Auloi, Greek wind instruments from queen amanishakheto's pyramid at Meroë
Syrinx-player from the Royal Baths at Meroë
Flute player from the Royal Baths at Meroë
Harp (?) player from the Royal Baths at Meroë
Harp-player from Musawwarat es Sufra
String instrument from Musawwarat es Sufra
Double piped flute-player, Meroitic pottery
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The Kingdom of Kush: Music Tracks
In order to create the most authentic feeling Kushite faction as possible, we are in need of a new musical track. There is one very Egyptian sounding track, which is good, but the second track currently being used sounds too "generically African". Although we have permission to use them, the license isn't of a formal nature, and more authentically sounding Nubian music would fit this faction like a glove anyway. For this reason I'm posting a tracklist of contemporary traditional Nubian music that should serve as the primary reference for a 0AD original track.
@OmriLahav, you seem to be the resident musical genius. Perhaps if you are interested and your schedule permits it, you could work on this? I'd be honoured, if you could. Even if you can't, you could inform us on who else on this forum could assist us. That having said, anyone who wants to work on this and has the necessary skills, feel free! I was told to tag @Itms, to make sure you'd see this.
Features and historical considerations for traditional Nubian music:
- (Sometimes) fairly fast paced percussion, using a variety of drums, typically African, but more nuanced, not so prominent that it drowns out other instruments/singing.
- Typical rhythmic hand-clapping
- Modern String instruments should be replaced with the Oud (very similar to the Lute), still widely used in Sudan today (including some of these tracks)
- Modern wind instruments should be replaced with reed pipe aerophones, or Hellenistic Aulos
- Modern Violins should be replaced with African trumpet instruments, not unlike the Waza, variants of which can sometimes sound similar to violins.
You will notice the common thread running through all these tracks
And, finally, what is probably the most "tribal" music video-clip I've ever seen... I know some brothers that would curse me for sharing this, but who cares
... These are Dinka's from South Sudan, very similar to the Nuba, both ancient and recent. In some places their material culture is still very similar to their ancient counterparts, except now they wear Calvin Klein boxers. The southern-most component of Kush, the wild hinterlands...
And a Swagalicious Nubian Musician, with ancient instrument:
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I really like these kind of natural looking maps. My concern is that the bottlenecks are a little too bottlenecky.. It seems impossible to manoeuvre siege equipment around, and the single access point to each CC-area makes an assault nearly impossible against a decent player. Perhaps increase the CC area size, add secondary access points and broaden the access routes enough for siege-equipment?
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Is it possible to make some tiles/textures unbuildable terrain. I'm especially interested in disallowing the building of farms on desert sand. Would make control of certain areas of the map more vital than others.
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The Kingdom of Kush: A proper introduction [Illustrated]
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Posted · Edited by Sundiata
Kush in Popular Art
Oh boy, I've been looking forward to this post for a looong time... As the title suggests, this post showcases contemporary artworks on the subject of Kush. It can be seen as a large addendum to The Kingdom of Kush in Popular Culture. Not every image is 100% historically accurate (art rarely is), which is why I thought it was important to wrestle through the previous large reference posts, so that the historicity of these artworks can be more easily assessed (and understand how to improve on these concepts). It goes without saying that I focused on those pieces that actually have some value in terms of potential inspiration.
@stanislas69, @wackyserious, @LordGood, @wowgetoffyourcellphone, this post might be of interest to you.
Kush in Popular Art:
I'll just begin with my favourite piece:
One of the main characters in "The Pack, a new comic book series by Paul Louise-Julie. He's a Kushite mercenary in service of a late Egyptian Pharaoh. The scale armour corselet, the khopesh, the hairstyle, even the pieces of fabric tied around his upper arms are all very lovely details.
The two main characters. Even those golden fly shaped pendants (a sign of valour in battle) are a common find in Napatan period tombs. I think the lower arm guards are a bit of fantasy though.
This Sherden type sword is rather plausible, the shoulder pads not so much. Lovely detail in the Amun shaped pendant.
- Come on baby, you know that girl meant nothing to me...
- Uhu...
"Kandake" is the Meroitic title used for female rulers, and is the origin of the modern day English name "Candace" (mentioned in the bible)
Nubian hounds alongside their master, by Katja Turnsek
Oldschool depiction of a Kushite ruler
Newschool depiction of a Kushite ruler, by Aleksandr Shukin.
Taharqa, by Sanio
Civilisation VI art:
Piye
Taharqa
Amanishakheto was apparently rather hot... According to Civ VI at least...
Queen Amanitore seems to be having a bad morning.. By Kat Berkley
Every one of these concept pieces is rather good! By Kat Berkley
The Royal Couple, By Dazinbane
Taharqa at the great temple of Amun at Napata, flanked by an avenue of rams, Jebel Barkal and it's peak in the background.
Embassy at Meroë, by Koyotenahual
Nubian Queen, by Scarlett Royal
Another Nubian Queen, by Damilitaryart
Nubian Warrior Queen, by Eve Ventrue. A little over the top, but still pretty cool...
The one eyed Kandake, by Miladyduchess. Queen Amanirenas celebrating a successful raid on Roman Egypt, and the capture of Augustus' bronze head.
"Nubian" King overseeing trade with Egyptians
Taharqa is quite a popular figure. Too bad he's out of the time-frame
So is Piye
A smart looking character, based on a Kushite royal, by Keith Williams
The quintessentially "Nubian archer", by Shanegreer
A "Nubian" spearman, by Marcus Pierno
Nubian spearman by Daniel George Mitchell
"Tense partnership", by Habaritess. Euhm...
Nubian body guard, by Christian Johnson. Very good reference for our Nuba mercs.
"Big Black Warrior", by Gauntle. Black Hercules... Blercules...
A dude with that axe-mace thing, by @#$% J...?
Oldschool depiction of Kushite spearman, archer and chief.
Kushite mercenary archer holding a throwing-stick, with his loyal Nubian Hound, alongside a Sherden mercenary, in Bronze Age Egypt.
Nubian archer on a camel, by Mustangart. The archer looks excellent. The fact that he's sitting on a camel not so much. Better to reserve that roll for the experts of the desert, the Blemmye.
Kushite war-elephants. I think the image on the left is perfect for our Hero Arakamani (Ergamenes). I do think that even an Indian elephant would buckle under the weight of 7 grown men, making the image on the right a little fantasy-esque. Lovely shields though
"The Nubian Empire of the Nile", by Ricsnodgrass. A cute collage of Kushite architecture. Not super accurate, but a valiant attempt nonetheless.
The Meroitic pyramids in happier times, by Crash Baby
Even happier times
And the ultimate destruction of the Meroitic pyramids by Giuseppe Ferlini, a 19th century Italian treasure hunter.
Egyptian stuff that looks Kushite:
"Nefertiti", by artbymikedaledesigns (18th Dynasty). Those thighs...
By Eric Leon
Fille du Pharaon Noir
I erroneously shared an image from the following book before, thinking it was Kushite (you'll understand why), please forgive me. It's supposed to be a 12th dynasty Egyptian story, but looks more like an 18th dynasty story. Both dynasties are sometimes referred to as "Nubian" dynasties, on account of the presumed Nubian origins of the royal house and the strong African features in Egyptian art of the time. Basically every element pictured in this series of images has direct parallels in Kush... Not surprising seen as the Egyptianisation of Kush reached high-points during these dynasties.
I love the way the quay has steps leading in to the water, and these steps would look very nice on our own model of the Kushite dock. Very Nile-valley-looking... We need a model of those Kushite stone lion statues as a prop, to line the front of the Civic center, flank the entrance of the Lion temple, and perhaps to flank the stone steps of of our dock, facing the river like these ibis statues. Any thoughts, LordGood?
I just can't not share this... Eddie Murphy, Imani, and Michael Jackson in Remember the time. Forever on my playlist![:) :)](https://wildfiregames.com/forum/uploads/emoticons/default_smile.png)
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