Smurf tag.

[guerringuerrin]

@G.O.A.T I´ve already given proof to you. 

As I showed in my last post you assaulted me by private message with a banana and when I answered you never wrote me again.

Now you are using a banana again here. It seems to me like an open provocation. I ask you to explain to me what do you mean using a banana after I posted your private message with a banana and telling I took this as a provocation.

I don´t have to have patience with you. You insulted me before by private with no reason. You are accusing me without giving proof. I was forced to give explanations I don´t have to give to anybody because accusations YOU made. Furthermore you have no title here, you´re no moderator and no ones asked you to do what you are doing. Then, no one has to be considered with your witch-hunts method.

You still acusing me without proof in you public list. 

Edited October 16, 2022 by guerringuerrin

[Guest]

@guerringuerrinyou should rather use reports to admin. @G.O.A.Tloves the mess he is creating (see the bananas) and his target is clearly not to make 0ad more balanced, more attractive or much adopted.. The fact you're pointed in a wall of shame without any proof is for my understanding an admin concern @Stan`

@guerringuerrinI even don't understand why you should give any proof. @G.O.A.T doesn't release any algorythm publicly. Then, for my understanding, sanafur has to prove you used multiple accounts; not the opposite. And again as found with TimidSmurf, sanafur's logic is based on IP which fails by design - nothing about your play or your behavior. And as highlighted by @Player of 0ADnow known as Phyzic, he also includes rumors in his list...

But we can agree on a few advises to @G.O.A.T. At first, he needs to follow networking training courses (and possibly legal ones too). Next, more important, if he loves 0ad, he must stop his mess.

Edited October 16, 2022 by rm -rf

[Norse_Harold]

G.O.A.T now lists the claim that WilsonWilson is guerringuerrin as "under review". There is also a new note at the beginning explaining that G.O.A.T does not claim that the information is correct, and that players should do their own research.

I agree, but it's not enough. Please have a higher standard of evidence for the accusations that you make. You saw how we refuted the claim that guerringuerrin is WilsonWilson. That should be part of the protocol.

Edited October 16, 2022 by Norse_Harold

[hyperion]

22 hours ago, G.O.A.T said:

@hyperion What a democratic country for sure  In my country we don't have such mess. but still, no judge no prison right? 

Isn't tied to democracy, the Romans had death penalty for defamation. I just want to make you aware what you are doing is far from harmless if there are mistakes.

[Norse_Harold]

On 01/09/2022 at 8:10 AM, G.O.A.T said:

This is funny, shared accounts leaked on this thread still not banned - hallowed by WFG team

Yesterday, user1 informed me that the leaked accounts are banned. I think that they have been banned for a while, but yesterday is when I was informed of it.

As for why it took so long for the accounts to be banned, it was necessary to update the Terms of Use to forbid account sharing and disclosing passwords. Then it was necessary for the new ToU to take effect, which happened when alpha 26 was released.

Clause 1b is the new clause that forbids account sharing and disclosing passwords.

Edited October 17, 2022 by Norse_Harold

[Yekaterina]

@G.O.A.T It's ok to keep the list since @Player of 0AD likes it. However, I would like you to put a justification or proof or even your logic for thinking that these 2 accounts are the same person. This will make your list much much more convincing and there will be a lot less angry arguments. Is my request reasonable?

For example, how did you come to the conclusion that weirdjokes in phyzic? Did you monitor his IP address or did someone snitch on him? If you add a sentence of explanation after everyone then the moderators will find your list much more useful and take actions. Currently, a list without any proofs is simple a weird joke.

What do you think? @Norse_Harold @Stan` @guerringuerrin @rm -rf @Dakara

 

 

[Yekaterina]

P.S. I think there are 3 sources feeding GOAT's list:

1. He monitors the IP address of players in the lobby. When I forget to use a VPN, even the  most obsecure of my accounts that I have used only once got found out. But when I tunneled myself to Turkiye and Netherlands, my smurf accounts were given to other players. For example Hilal and Celal are my account and not berhudar's. (but those are from long time ago)

Furthermore, even the non-TG players and newer players who created second accounts were shown on the list, which enhances the suspicion, as no one would intentionally stalk every cosmic noob to look for signs of new accounts. 

2. Reports using personal messages (although I doubt there are many)

3. He joins the games as spectators or players and tries to grasp who is who based on playstyle. I'm still overjoyed that he thinks I am superPOSITION. Thank you for the approval!

 

[G.O.A.T]

I made voting page, please provide me feedback. I feel so much hate here, show yourself publicly

 

[Guest]

11 hours ago, G.O.A.T said:

I made voting page, please provide me feedback. I feel so much hate here, show yourself publicly

 

@G.O.A.T I think you have already created enough mess in the community. It's time to stop sanafur and to stop acting as a little child. I would suggest to be very cautious about this behavior in real life because you cannot hide behind a second @G.O.A.T. @Stan`isn't it the right time to stop this thread and the wall of shame?

[guerringuerrin]

On 22/10/2022 at 8:17 AM, Sevda said:

@G.O.A.T It's ok to keep the list since @Player of 0AD likes it. However, I would like you to put a justification or proof or even your logic for thinking that these 2 accounts are the same person. This will make your list much much more convincing and there will be a lot less angry arguments. Is my request reasonable?

For example, how did you come to the conclusion that weirdjokes in phyzic? Did you monitor his IP address or did someone snitch on him? If you add a sentence of explanation after everyone then the moderators will find your list much more useful and take actions. Currently, a list without any proofs is simple a weird joke.

What do you think? @Norse_Harold @Stan` @guerringuerrin @rm -rf @Dakara

 

 

Unfortunetly one missclick erased my whole answer to you. 

I keep my first opinion in this matter. This is not a community problem. It´s just a few op player's problem.

We don't even have TG rank points wich means the worst can be happen with an unknown players is realizing he's better than you expected and the next time you will know this.

I agree losing 1v1 ranked match against a smurf account it's unfair and should be prevented some way. I can understand frustration of someone who is trying hard to lvl up his rank points and got deceived by some smurf. But this is not the common case. Better use same tactic and play only with known accounts.

Considering the whole 0ad situation as game, we should be thinking in ways to make huge performance improvements, gui/lobby enhacements, creating some legal frame to use the money we have to pay some programmers or do something with that money so it doesn't just get devalued in some bank account, etcétera.... Showing account's age on profile it's the best effort-benefit ratio to void smurfs

Having this excellent open source game and how much potential it has to be the Worldwide Best RTS game in genre by far but it seems some weak points that can't be fixed make the whole project roaming in a dead end... Honestly it makes me feel kinda sad for the few people getting involved

On 22/10/2022 at 8:49 AM, Dakara said:

But frankly it's far from being the major concern on 0AD. The games are more and more elitist, the players disagree with each other and the ddos is always present (we even start to wonder if it's not just the game that bugs).

[...]

What I think irritates people the most is the feeling of not seeing the names of known players, they are potentially on a secondary account. The lack of reference.

Can't be more agree with you

 

[Norse_Harold]

@HelicityCan you please post here with any inaccuracies and disputes you have about G.O.A.T's list of duplicate accounts on his About Me page?

Thanks.

Edited April 28, 2023 by Norse_Harold

[Yekaterina]

Just now, Norse_Harold said:

@HelicityCan you please post here about any inaccuracies and disputes you have about G.O.A.T's list of duplicate accounts on his About Me page?

Thanks.

Dispute list:

1. I am not the same person/ people as the ones using accounts in the list "Yekaterina". I have played with her in quite a few TGs and four 1v1s with her as well.

2. I think Aceroxidado (who is the Acero on the list) is not Ricsand1655. They are quite different and I have seen the two of them playing in two separate games before.

3. I doubt that NoobDude is Piplox as I have seen both of them active and playing at the same time; Piplox is significantly weaker than NoobDude. NoobDude is also unlikely to be Thankforpie because Noobdude said that he started playing in Alpha 24, but Thankforpie seemed to have only been active in early Alpha 23 videos on YouTube.

4. M.T. is definitely not Nizam_i_cedid. Nizam is much stronger than M.T.  Nizam is also a TG player whereas M.T. enjoys 1v1 games more.

5. Wendy is most likely not DaddyCooL. Both are Israeli but the playstyle and chat style seem quite different. This is especially evident in their response to DoctorOrgans: Wendy argues with DoctorOrgans whereas DaddyCooL is more dismissive and does not take him seriously. DaddyCooL also refused all 1v1 invitations from Organs whereas Wendy would start arguing with him.

6. Hilal is not berhudar, as Hilal was not stronger than me the last time I saw them ( a few months ago), whereas berhudar had always been the strongest player I have ever seen. Unknown_player is also not berhudar, because berhudar was still a relatively noob player in June 2020: see video (https://youtu.be/kuj2rkujatM), whereas Unknown_player had been a recognised pro player much earlier in December 2019, see video (https://youtu.be/WDTTd4iZa5I).

 

 

 

[Norse_Harold]

@G.O.A.TI've been promoted to a forum moderator and asked to enforce the rules in this situation. WFG's draft code of conduct states that posting inaccurate information is disallowed. Also, libel law says the same thing if the claim is an accusation of a crime, such as an accusation of breach of contract.

In line with that the information in your About Me page needs to be accurate. The minimum that should be done is add a note (and link to discussion) about any information that is disputed The maximum that can be done is to remove the disputed information and add a note of apology.

Examples of disputed information: by Sevda, by weirdJokes, by guerringuerrin, and by Helicity.

Do you want to do that, or should I edit your About Me page to note the disputed information?

If you goal is to get rules enforced on duplicate accounts then you need to do the following.

1. Establish a much higher threshold of evidence supporting the claims instead of (apparently) merely basing them on geolocation of IPs.
2. Collect and save evidence that supports the claims. Alternatively, document how a lobby moderator can obtain evidence supporting the claims.
3. Send a forum PM with the information to an active lobby moderator, such as myself or Dunedan.

Edited April 28, 2023 by Norse_Harold

[Yekaterina]

2 hours ago, Norse_Harold said:

ve been promoted to a forum moderator and asked to enforce the rules in this situation.

Congrats

 

 

@Norse_Harold The core of the problem is not Goat, but rather some people who have are obssessed with finding smurfs. GOAT cannot possibly come up with that list all by himself. Even you as a moderator cannot be certain about who's who.

So, why is GOAT flagrantly posting false accusations? Obviously he has fans - the people who take pleasure in staring at this list, thinking that they have caught all of the smurfs. Somehow even false accusations will please them. İt is the same people who would submit reports to GOAT, then gladly see the new player who has spanked them in a game being put into the list with some old smurf. Somehow this makes the feel better after being smashed, as now they can convince themselves that it wasn't their lack of skills and progress but rather some OP player smurfing on them. The list exists to please these smurf persecutors at the expense of causing chaos, more imbalance and personal attacks.

Furthermore, @Norse_Harold I hope you have realised that Goat isn't doing this for the compliance of lobby TOS, but to entertain his supporters and troll whoever he victimises. He has ZERO respect for facts and anyone who points out his mistakes. Some entries are so blatantly preposterous that any technical methods like IP tracking would have invalidated them instantly. He's just a clown to entertain certain individuals who are obsessed with persecuting smurfs.

 

@Helicity  do not attempt to dispute with goat. As soon as you point out his errors, his loyal smurf persecuters will put confused reactions on your post.  Goat will never take your comments seriously, instead, he will send you a banana emoji. I'm also expecting the smurf persecutors (who think they are righteous) to put confused reactions on this post as well

[Yekaterina]

@Helicitya  Your points 1 through  5 are correct based on my 3 or 4 years of experience with 0ad. But you have only revealed the tip of an iceberg and there are many more errors in his list. Alas, he doesn't care.

İdk who is Hilal but it's a Turkish girl name, meaning "Cresent "

 The dude claims that Ricsand is Acero    İf you ask anyone who has been playing since A24 or A25... Don't even need to explain... İt just shows that Goat is a total clown.

 

[rossenburg]

1 hour ago, Yekaterina said:

@Helicitya  Your points 1 through  5 are correct based on my 3 or 4 years of experience with 0ad. But you have only revealed the tip of an iceberg and there are many more errors in his list. Alas, he doesn't care.

İdk who is Hilal but it's a Turkish girl name, meaning "Cresent "

 The dude claims that Ricsand is Acero    İf you ask anyone who has been playing since A24 or A25... Don't even need to explain... İt just shows that Goat is a total clown.

 

Hey, been a while! Just curious...are you by any means related to @Helicity or happends to be in the same household with him?

[Yekaterina]

5 hours ago, rossenburg said:

Just curious...are you by any means related to @Helicity or happends to be in the same household with him?

I don't think so.

I am not even sure who is Helicity, whether they are some other smurf or a genuine new player. The first time I saw him play, he was already like 1300 (not cosmic) and dominating noobs. Then a few months later he was smashing me in 1v1s. Nice progress

 

[Yekaterina]

5 hours ago, rossenburg said:

same household with him?

Definitely not. There are only 4 people in my household: me, my brother and my parents.

Landau is certainly not Yekaterina and I don't think my dad is neither.

[Norse_Harold]

Update: G.O.A.T has removed all statements about duplicate accounts from his About Me page. Here is how it looks now.

Okay, that's your choice. Removing the claims about duplicate accounts is one of the options that complies with the rules. Thanks for doing this.

Edited April 29, 2023 by Norse_Harold