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Suggest a two subfaction system in which will be split into Traditional and Reformed, like the Seleucids in Alpha 23 but better.

For the Traditional, the player should choose Leonidas, Brasidas, or Lysander as their main hero; the Reformed Cleomenes and the fifth hero (Nabis?)

Traditional units

  • Perioikoi hoplite
  • Helot skirmisher
  • Helot slinger
  • Perioikoi podromoi
  • Skiritai hoplite/swordsman
  • Spartan hoplites, two can promote to Olympic champions
  • Theurophoros skirmisher → Celto-Iberian skirmisher
  • Thorakites → Lucanian/Celto-Iberian swordsman
  • Mercenaries:
    • Symmachoi (allied) hoplite
    • Symmachoi cavalry (spear or lance)
    • Cretan archer

Reformed units

  • Reformed Spartan phalangite
  • Skiritai skirmisher
  • Skiritai swordsman
  • Tarantine cavalry
  • Reformed Spartan hoplite, can promote to Royal Spartan hoplite?
  • Gastraphetes
  • Mercenaries:
    • Symmachoi theurophoros spearman
    • Symmachoi cavalry (spear or lance)
    • Cretan archer
    • Symmachoi thorakites swordsman

That way, the shift from perioikoi citizenship makes sense and there are no longer two kinds of pikemen. If still insisting on the citizen/champion pikemen paradigm, then instead of "Perioikoi" and "Spartan", how about "Reformed Spartan Phalangite" and "Thorakites Phalangite"? Elite gets 1/3 chance to wear a cape. Anything else?

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Queen Gorgo would be an interesting addition to Spartans and make them a stronger civ than they currently are. However, I would recommend you to change the model of Gorgo slightly so that it is easier to distinguish her from an average female citizen.

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6 minutes ago, Yekaterina said:

Queen Gorgo would be an interesting addition to Spartans and make them a stronger civ than they currently are. However, I would recommend you to change the model of Gorgo slightly so that it is easier to distinguish her from an average female citizen.

I did struggle at first on how to distinguish her actor from the others. This is what she looks like next to the standard Spartan female citizen:

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If it was more historical to give her a shield and spear, I would, but that's more the realm of Hollywood, sadly. Boudicca, Tomyris, and Amanirenas are really our only good bets for martial female heroes. Artemisia, a naval hero for Persians perhaps. 

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52 minutes ago, Yekaterina said:

However, I would recommend you to change the model of Gorgo slightly so that it is easier to distinguish her from an average female citizen.

Another thought would be to give her "exercise" idle animations. Spartan women were the only Greek women allowed ritualized exercise as the men did.

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2 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

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Do you think we can swap her red dress with some linothorax armour? Also we can give her a helmet and a weapon of some sort. 

Maybe an archer infantry hero? Spartans don't have archers and a single hero could make a difference. 

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7 hours ago, Yekaterina said:

Do you think we can swap her red dress with some linothorax armour? Also we can give her a helmet and a weapon of some sort. 

She could look a little like Athena. Maybe that could be her upgrade.

 

7 hours ago, Yekaterina said:

Maybe an archer infantry hero? Spartans don't have archers and a single hero could make a difference. 

Capture a factional merc camp. Spartans get Cretan Archers. :D

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3 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
11 hours ago, Yekaterina said:

 

She could look a little like Athena. Maybe that could be her upgrade.

Are there any records of armoured female spartan soldiers?

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19 minutes ago, Stan` said:

Are there any records of armoured female spartan soldiers?

No, only a few instances of Spartan women rising to the occasion to defend the homeland. For instance, after the Spartan army was defeated by Pyrrhus of Epirus, the defeated Spartan men rested that night while the Spartan women built a palisade around the city to fend off Pyrrhus' army the next day.

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